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Warhawk - The Official Thread
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hukasmokincaterpillar
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Yixian said:
I'm all for spoiling the rewards for effective defense. I wish more objective based shooters did that in the past to be honest. It gives incentive to play both sides of the field.
And besides, if you haven't figured out you need to mine sweep the general vicinity of the flag by now you deserve to step onto your doom.
I get a kick chucking a grenade by a flag and seeing the campers' trap pop like Jiffy.hukasmokincaterpillar said:I'm all for spoiling the rewards for effective defense. I wish more objective based shooters did that in the past to be honest. It gives incentive to play both sides of the field.
And besides, if you haven't figured out you need to mine sweep the general vicinity of the flag by now you deserve to step onto your doom.
hm, i honestly rarely encounter mines in the games i play, and i mostly play in SCEA and GAF servers. Im usually in a hawk or turrets, but still. I dont even know where the mines are on the map
the occasional time that i go for the flag though, ive never run into a mine trap. weird...
Yixian said:
I normally make a good defensive perimeter around my flag before I go out to capture the other flag.
It sucks sometimes, should get points for escorting the flag carrier on the ground, sometimes I play a supporting role in CTF and get crap all points to show for it because of my good gesture. :/
Zones are annoying sometimes though yesturday I was playing Archipeligro and I took a few Zones to extend the Zones in the middle of the map, but no-one took advantage of that and we eventually lost out that match after leading through most of it, I felt like screaming at times.
nofi said:
Yeah you can lower the enemies base to level 1 where you can make the ones next to it a level three if you've got a chain level 2 if you haven't, I broke the chain, but no-one else took advantage of it.
I'm getting the hang of how Zones work, but it's very hard to play when everyone else cuddles themselves together into one place.
marvelharvey
Member
Ooooo, I can make a 32 player server, fiber optic FTW
32 Player GAF_Asia server will be up in 10 mins
No password
BTW, if the server becomes full, how do I remove unwanted players? Is there some sort of admin menu?
32 Player GAF_Asia server will be up in 10 mins
No password
BTW, if the server becomes full, how do I remove unwanted players? Is there some sort of admin menu?
marvelharvey
Member
Well, I can't even log in, another quality evening provided by Incognito. Can not even ONE night go by without issues?
Sorry guys, I'm going to forget about running a GAF_Asia server until these bugs are ironed out. My patience has gone.
Sorry guys, I'm going to forget about running a GAF_Asia server until these bugs are ironed out. My patience has gone.
peacemountain
Member
My first game today was awful... Forgot about friendly fire an placed mines by our flag... -26 points! Finally managed to get +22 before the end of the round. Sorry for that!
The likely reason for retaking the flag being worth more than taking the enemy flag is because it takes 20 seconds of standing by your flag to return it, but you can just touch the enemy flag to pick it up. I've had a lot of moments where we had killed the flag carrier and were standing by the flag with just seconds to go, when some guy from the other team just runs through with knife equipped or just hopped down off a wall so we didn't see him coming and snags it. Then we have to start the process all over again.
Picking up the flag is easy, returning it is hard, and the score reflects that. Those of you who love to do kamikaze solo warhawk drops on the enemy flag without taking out the base defenses for an easy five points and low percentage chance of getting out of the base need to understand that you're handing the defenders a very high percentage chance of an easy 10 point flag return. And to be fair, those runs are very necessary to keep the pressure on. But when you're playing as a team, it doesn't matter how many rank points or whatever the enemies are getting, what matters is whether you get more flag captures or more zone points or more team deathmatch kills. If they want to sit in their base all day and scum rank points that's fine with me, because that makes it easier for my team to win the game.
Picking up the flag is easy, returning it is hard, and the score reflects that. Those of you who love to do kamikaze solo warhawk drops on the enemy flag without taking out the base defenses for an easy five points and low percentage chance of getting out of the base need to understand that you're handing the defenders a very high percentage chance of an easy 10 point flag return.
And to be fair, those runs are very necessary to keep the pressure on. But when you're playing as a team, it doesn't matter how many rank points or whatever the enemies are getting, what matters is whether you get more flag captures or more zone points or more team deathmatch kills. If they want to sit in their base all day and scum rank points that's fine with me, because that makes it easier for my team to win the game.Really? I think Eucadia is the easiest, especially getting out of the base since there are many jeeps around and you can easily spot the mines. The area around the flag is so mountainous, it's easy to sneak in and take it. The only hard part is the long drive back but if you have support it should be easy. Badlands is impossible to get out effectively and there is usually many mines around. Same with Destroyed Capitol. Island Outpost is a little easier but again, hidden mines and lack of vehicles. Archipelago is very hard to get a vehicle if the other team actually uses the jeeps but this map is the easiest to capture with no support. There is always a lot of people around that flag too.Yixian said:
Hey, this is the least of the problems, how about stats that record? :lolYixian said:
Always take out tanks from the air if they are there.. if your team doesn't have many bases and the map is on large mode, fortunately, the other team is not likely to be camped at their own base as driving a tank from there is slow to the other side.Yixian said:
Yeah, that'd be good but likely abused to raise stats if you are on a friendly server.Yixian said:
Well someone has to do the boring work, I bet those points didn't even record anyway.Yixian said:
kay said:
NP. I need to play this more offline I think before going back onto online games. I realised last night I have no idea what I'm actually doing, and my lame defense skills, whilst good enough against noobs, make me look like a prick when it's Yixian and Click bearing down on me avoiding every single missile.
I ventured out once, in the gun turret of a full tank, for about 2 minutes at the end of one game and it was an enormous rush of excitement, I even killed a few guys with my assault rifle. Maybe I should play more like that.
TheDarkKnight774
Member
dangit! All those great ribbons i earned, and rank i leveled last night still didn't show up in my profile this morning It still has me as never played a rank server.
*sigh*
It still has me as never played a rank server. *sigh*
My advice would be to focus on doing one thing depending on game type and learn from what others are doing and how they are successful. Back in the beginning, I could never use the TOW missile or even fly that well. But as I started just focusing on the flying aspect in some games, even in CTF, it became much easier. I already knew how to handle ground situations from a while ago since the pistol and grenades were a lot more powerful in the beta so I chose that usually when attacking.nofi said:
Don't sit in turrets either, you can't get any better doing that.
GoncaloCCastro
Member
Hopefully I'll be on later today, I'm studying right now...
To expound further, rank/point scummers are going to scum, no matter what the point scale is. There's no magic point balance that is going to make these people suddenly become effective team players. If both flag captures and returns were changed to an even 5 points each, that guy Yixian mentioned that hung around his base would probably start just boosting in a warhawk into the enemy base, touching the flag, and waiting to die so he could do it again.
Trying to adjust the scoring to account for point scummers that are abusing the current system is just going to make them change to a new way of scumming. Far better to have scoring values that make sense when playing the game properly.
If you're still thinking about how hard it is to get that flag back to base, think of the poor bastards on defense who get cleared out in a proper base attack. After respawning, they have to scramble to get in warhawks to catch the jeep that's now a good distance away and in the meantime the team on offense has a screen of warhawks already covering the jeep. Now they have to kill the jeep, defeat or drive off the screen, and then stand by the flag for a solid 20 seconds deep in enemy territory, all for a measly 10 points.
Trying to adjust the scoring to account for point scummers that are abusing the current system is just going to make them change to a new way of scumming. Far better to have scoring values that make sense when playing the game properly.
If you're still thinking about how hard it is to get that flag back to base, think of the poor bastards on defense who get cleared out in a proper base attack. After respawning, they have to scramble to get in warhawks to catch the jeep that's now a good distance away and in the meantime the team on offense has a screen of warhawks already covering the jeep. Now they have to kill the jeep, defeat or drive off the screen, and then stand by the flag for a solid 20 seconds deep in enemy territory, all for a measly 10 points.
Diseased Yak
Gold Member
nofi said:
I don't get it, either. Who spends money on a PS3, buys Warhawk, and then spends his time Team-killing? The other night I witnessed an even more bizarre occurrence. On one of the archipelago maps some douche on my team climbed the ladders up to where the missile turret and such was and repeatedly kept blowing them up, along with anyone who happened to want to use them to, you know, combat the enemy.
WTF?
nofi said:
Is there not an option to turn team kills off for ranked games? This is why I play with clans now. Gaf mostly. I hated socom for this.
That's it. i'm giving in. bestbuy.ca is taking forever to ship my copy. I'm just going to have to get it at their B&M store at full price.
I don't want to miss out on any more action.
Big Nate said:
I think its kids that can't achieve anything in the game so along with there friends try & find ways to disrupt others playing & enjoying the game.
I had one of these idiots (on my team) in a Dog Fight server last Thursday. He kept trash talking & screaming in his headset, I told him to shut up, and he spent 15 minutes trying to shoot me down, so lame!
djkimothy said:
No idea, but it's always happened on games I've played in. Especially ones were you're allowed to switch teams - if you're hiding out someone will switch to your team, TK you, then fuck off back to their own team.
I just switch it off and play Piyotama with the chickens.
Scumbags. I wonder if the PSN 'block players' thing works with Warhawk?
i dont think you can turn team kill off for ranked games. There were games where i wish i could have reached through the TV and beat the shit out of the asshole who would wait until the flag was about 5 seconds away from being captured, come knife me, and get the 10 pts. After i fucking hunted the son of a bitch down who took the flag, and killed 3 guys in order to be able to stand next to it for the 20 seconds it takes.
Anyway... i didnt get a chance to play this long weekend, too many things on my "list" to get done around the house. Nights for the rest of the week are all mine though!
Anyway... i didnt get a chance to play this long weekend, too many things on my "list" to get done around the house. Nights for the rest of the week are all mine though!
Yixian said:
Well i'm sorry but i work hard for my points... I hate the douchebags who just sit in the base and wait for the flag to be captured and then walk on the flag for 10 easy points.. but do nothing to prevent the actual flag capture..
At least I'm strategically placing mines... Manning the turrents ... then launching rockets on foot when I hear the TOW missle coming.. Avoiding the lightning strikes to make it to the rocket spawn so I can take out the Warhawks... Dumping the jeeps so the attacker can't escape easily... flaming the attackers and their tanks and other vehicles if they get to close...
And after all of that when Click and Yixian and Freshair finally get the flag.. I have to jump in a frickin war hawk... Try to kill the 3 warhawks that are providing cover for the flag carrier in his jeep... THen Kill the flag carrier with just my Machine gun... Then jump out 2 feet from enemy territory to try to reset my flag because the other douchebags wont come to help... I fight for every defense...I deserve my points
kaching said:
I'm not saying you shouldn't get points for defense, but not a full 100% more than what we attackers get. And they should swap the big points from "saving the flag" to "killing the dude with the flag", that way only the guy who has actually done anything gets the points, ie. you and not Tarregan
Grabbing the flag can often be very easy, but no easier, and no harder than littering the place with mines - the two should get 5 points a piece, 10 points for either one of them is too much, 10 points for one and not the other is just mental.Also, support gets practically no reward for it's efforts. I don't know how you'd fix that, but they have it worst of all.