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[mercenar1e]

This isn't the first time a Ubisoft game was downgraded and it most likely won't be the last. What's that other game that was revealed and then pushed back into 2015? I can't wait to see what it looks like now lol it can probably qualify as a new game reveal

 

[JamboGT]

If you look at the maps in that gif they are separate locations, basically those two bridges are beside each other but not the same so not really a fair comparison. Saying that the lighting looks so much better in the earlier version.

 

[SparkTR]

So this does not look as bad but then I see..



And I know it is the single worse point in the video, and if this was a mistake or (as I feel) as Last gen and Current mixed in the shots, this should have been picked up. I cannot believe the level this has dropped could be even in the slightest "Accepted" by Ubi, I cannot see that.

The Cutscene and Character Models have taken a huge improvement (well at least Aiden has).

From This last year:-


To this from the reveal yesterday


But the Lighting is the Single biggest downstep, that Daytime shot just looks Baked in, There has to be a simple explanation for this, I cannot believe the PS4/X1 cannot come closer to this:-

When Second Son looks like this

IF this is the final looking game then there has been a BIG downgrade, the OP is a bit HyperB but there is some Damage Control for Ubi to do here

I don't know, that Second Son gif doesn't look anywhere near as good as the original Watch Dogs reveal. I really think that reveal wasn't even playable, just animated by artists.

 

[RulkezX]

I'm sorry, I really don't see anything in the footage shown recently that makes me think "Wow, that simply wasn't possible last gen!" Yeah yeah, diminishing returns, but there should still be a substantial upgrade. This doesn't look much better than Far Cry 3.

Diminishing returns ain't the issue , you only need to look at the I:SS footage from yesterday to see how incredible a next gen open world game can look.

WD is suffering from its cross gen development and/or a bit if development hell.

 

[Oersted]

So the game is really basically a reskinned AC? The joke became true?

 

[Shinta]

Infamous looks amazing but I think the original reveal of watch dogs still looks a bit better. I guess it doesn't matter now haha what a waste

The inFamous team is probably significantly smaller than the Watch Dogs team too.

 

[Toxa]

MSR on dreamcast ?

 

[adamma666]

You're right, buildings in the background are totally different. Or maybe it's not the same part of the city.

it's not. check the mini map.

 

[MaLDo]

I'm sorry, I really don't see anything in the footage shown recently that makes me think "Wow, that simply wasn't possible last gen!" Yeah yeah, diminishing returns, but there should still be a substantial upgrade. This doesn't look much better than Far Cry 3.

This is not possible last gen

 

[SmoothBrain]

Preorder cancelled. I'm not going to pay 120€ if it doesn't come close to what they showed last year or not before I saw the finished product on PS4.

 

[gamerforever]

Should have just made this a current gen only title by the looks of it. All about money at the end of the day!

 

[TUROK]

The 'original version' was never a game. It was a tech demo with lots of pre-baked elements and never something representative of what would be released at retail.

It's Aliens Colonial Marines again.

What were the pre-baked elements?

 

[gamerforever]

What were the pre-baked elements?

Exactly, the demos were either run on super hardware, or the game was downgraded for a reason we shall never know!

 

[stevil]

You're missing the point. This thread is in its core not about how bad the game looks. It's about a marketing lie because the reveal trailer anno 2012 looks way better than the actual footage.

There's at least not one single reason to downgrade the PC version.

Yes, the reveal trailer ran on a i7/GTX680 (which is funny, because it's my config) but we're a generation further. GTX780 TI is here and GTX880 is coming. The game should really look like the reveal footage maxed out on PC. Everything else would be a huge and totally unnecessary shame. There's always the option to reduce the graphics in a PC game.

Ubisoft, give us a choice!

But since we don't know what platform is used this could still be the case, it is not uncommon to show console game footage instead of PC footage.

anyway if people are angry bc marketing people tell lies I agree with that, they are scum of the earth as they have a job that involves telling lies. I;m sure marketing people would call it selling dreams or something like that

 

[nelsonroyale]

Maldo, all those sequences are probably from touched up cutscenes. I admit they do look impressive. Draw distance in the footage did look beyond current gen. But where are the post-processing effects which bring the scene to life? Lighting looks flat as well...

 

[GlamFM]

Exactly, the demos were either run on super hardware, or the game was downgraded for a reason we shall never know!

Or they were entirely pre-rendered.

That´s where my money is.

 

[ICPEE]

You know what I dislike most? L3 for reload:

Good God, is this the PS4 version??

 

[adamma666]

This is not possible last gen

cutscenes?

 

[bigboss370]

Guys. Lets just...calm down a tad. It's not that bad, look:

reflections are still there, sparks/particles, dof, etc...heck with some rain i bet it looks even better.


The OP's gif didn't really show it in the best 'light'.

 

[GlamFM]

Good God, is this the PS4 version??

From what we know - yes.

 

[chadskin]

If you look at the maps in that gif they are separate locations, basically those two bridges are beside each other but not the same so not really a fair comparison. Saying that the lighting looks so much better in the earlier version.

So, if I buy Watch Dogs on PS4 I get both, an amazing, current-gen bridge and an ugly, last-gen bridge next to it? Fantastic!

What's up with all these new junior members and their ridiculous posts? Is that a reddit/4chan/misterxmedia invasion I have missed?

 

[gamerforever]

Or they were entirely pre-rendered.

That´s where my money is.

But someone was actually playing the game, so that is ruled out!

 

[Wasp]

The reason the GIF in the OP looks so ugly is because the car is driving inside the haze of the helicopter spotlight, which is creating a blue haze and is for some reason nullifying the car's shadow. The rest of the vehicle footage looks much better, probably on a par with Sleeping Dogs but in 1080p.

The interiors footage looks worse but providing the IQ is good it is good enough to not be an issue.

 

[R_Deckard]

I don't know, that Second Son gif doesn't look anywhere near as good as the original Watch Dogs reveal. I really think that reveal wasn't even playable, just animated by artists.

Yes I agree, I just think that it looked CLOSER on the PS4 showing and playable at E3 than it "appears" to now.

The Second Son was just to show something that is open world and days away from release and the reveal of WD was better for sure, this looks much further away from that than SS does.

 

[GlamFM]

So, if I buy Watch Dogs on PS4 I get both, an amazing, current-gen bridge and an ugly, last-gen bridge next to it? Fantastic!

What's up with all these new junior members and their ridiculous posts? Is that a reddit/4chan/misterxmedia invasion I have missed?

Careful with calling out junior members - I learned that lesson the hard way.

But someone was actually playing the game, so that is ruled out!

Someone was holding a controller...

 

[Throwaway123456789]

This is not possible last gen

Why do so many devs insist on having rough sea like this everywhere? It's inside an enclosed harbor - the water should be still.

 

[SighFight]

Don't know if it was posted, but here is a 3 minute preview video from "Ubisoft-TV" - german language, but i think there are some new gameplay scenes and a first look at a skilltree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KJP1xFVzDk

Just watched it. Even though the commentary says from gameplay to graphics everything is no polished....

The lighting seems to have taken a severe hit from the original concept. Look at the last scene with the car in the Helicopter spotlight: Seems like all cars just have dropshadows.

I am very dissapointed as the lighting was creating this awesome atmosphere. Now it looks a bit sterile. If gameplay is good I will still give it a try. But i hurts a little.

 

[Turin Turambar]

Totally real guys

The thing is, even if the hardware can move that, doing that level of detail to every little street and passage and building of a city would be super crazy. You would need an army of artists, even one bigger than Ubisoft has.

 

[mocoworm]

So what was this version that Jimmy Fallon played live on TV?

http://youtu.be/gRxkBVrJWuQ

 

[gamerforever]

Careful with calling out junior members - I learned that lesson the hard way.



Someone was holding a controller...

I know what you are saying, but to prerender all of that would be pathetic!

 

[thewhitehawk]

You people might be expecting too damn much

You can contest that some people might have unreasonable expectations from the new gaming consoles, but you can not contest that there was a significant visual downgrade between the game's first unveiling and the most recent media.

Displaying (what the community dearly likes to call) bullshots is a form of false advertising and is, in most countries illegal. There are no ifs or buts about that.

 

[MaLDo]

Maldo, all those sequences are probably from touched up cutscenes. I admit they do look impressive. Draw distance in the footage did look beyond current gen. But where are the post-processing effects which bring the scene to life? Lighting looks flat as well...

Not really. They have taken all the good comments about mods like ENB for GTA IV where predominate its mid day light without color grading filters and without artistic touches, and have tried to get it into the trailer scenes using a noon TOD. Higher sun, no atmospheric color, shaded areas with too much indirect light.

It seems they have shot themselves in the foot with that scene selection.

 

[JamboGT]

So, if I buy Watch Dogs on PS4 I get both, an amazing, current-gen bridge and an ugly, last-gen bridge next to it? Fantastic!

What's up with all these new junior members and their ridiculous posts? Is that a reddit/4chan/misterxmedia invasion I have missed?

Wow, chill, I was just pointing out it was a different bridge. I think the original version looks much better.

 

[Nzyme32]

Because it was never an actual running game.

Serious answer.

Have we actually seen the PC version yet?

They are partnered with nvidia for the game, so it be pretty ridiculous if the game ended up looking like something so.... average... considering past nvidia partnered games being a showcase of their tech

 

[lockload]

Yes I agree, I just think that it looked CLOSER on the PS4 showing and playable at E3 than it "appears" to now.

The Second Son was just to show something that is open world and days away from release and the reveal of WD was better for sure, this looks much further away from that than SS does.

Could be something simple as they didnt have all teh effects, AI, physics in place then but now they have they have had to cut other things down

 

[mocoworm]

Because it was never an actual running game.

Serious answer.

What is this then?

http://youtu.be/gRxkBVrJWuQ

 

[Always-honest]

So what was this version that Jimmy Fallon played live on TV?

http://youtu.be/gRxkBVrJWuQ

Ps4 version. Just not in one single ugly carefully chosen compressed gif.
I think in the new gameplkay some things are even upgraded.
Let's not mistake time of day with lighting across the entire game.

 

[gamerforever]

What is this then?

http://youtu.be/gRxkBVrJWuQ

Exactly!

My guess is the PS4 version was downgraded to remain parity across all 4 platforms and the PC version will be similar to the original demo.

 

[Turin Turambar]

I'm not seeing how this looks horrible.

It looks like a realtime cutscene reel. You know how they can have a bit more of quality than real gameplay.

 

[SparkTR]

What is this then?

http://youtu.be/gRxkBVrJWuQ

People were complaining about that being downgraded at the time as well, I think. Seems like they just took it a step further?

 

[NotUS]

Around the time of the reveal, developers such as EPIC were trying to convince console makers to release 2.5TB machines.

They obviously didn't get there.

The reveal was probably targeting those specs, hence the downgrade now. XB1 is half the power the developers wanted so sacrifices are made.

Disappointing really, still looks good, still a step up from last gen.

I feel bad for the developers, they obviously knew the game it could have been, but were forced to reign it in.

 

[nelsonroyale]

Not really. They have taken all the good comments about mods like ENB for GTA IV where predominate its mid day light without color grading filters and without artistic touches, and have tried to get it into the trailer scenes using a noon TOD. Higher sun, no atmospheric color, shaded areas with too much indirect light.

It seems they have shot themselves in the foot with that scene selection.

Okay, I will give you that the lighting does look natural, I think it is more that there is doesnt seem to be much depth to it.

 

[gossi]

Meanwhile Ubisoft try to contain the outrage to the trailer on their official Facebook page.

 

[GlamFM]

What is this then?

http://youtu.be/gRxkBVrJWuQ

The same downgraded crap we´re seeing right now?

This doesn´t look any closer to the initial reveal - or any better than what they have shown yesterday.

Pop in is horrible.

 

[StuBurns]

Around the time of the reveal, developers such as EPIC were trying to convince console makers to release 2.5TB machines.

They obviously didn't get there.

The reveal was probably targeting those specs, hence the downgrade now. XB1 is half the power the developers wanted so sacrifices are made.

Disappointing really, still looks good, still a step up from last gen.

I feel bad for the developers, they obviously knew the game it could have been, but were forced to reign it in.

No, this is not a limitation of the new boxes, they're far more capable than this game is displaying. It looks about on par with GTA5, given it's 1080p, instead of 720p like GTA5, performance wise, PS4/XBO can comfortably shame this game.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

So I guess if the Wii U version does get cancelled, it'll be the definitive edition just like Alien Colonial Marines

 

[bigboss370]

Looks fine to me....

same car:

nice grass, yumm:

 

[MaLDo]

Okay, I will give you that the lighting does look natural, I think it is more that there is doesnt seem to be much depth to it.

Almost every second in reveal trailer has bokeh DOF applied 20 meters from main character. TOD is fine tuned (night + reflections + wind + rain, all in one) and asset density is higher to wow people in 2 minutes.

The bigger real downgrade is lighting distance. Distant building looks flat because missing shadows 100 meters away.

 

[chadskin]

Wow, chill, I was just pointing out it was a different bridge. I think the original version looks much better.

No, what you said was it's a different bridge, thus it's "not really a fair comparison." It's not like it makes any difference, at all, which bridge is shown when the severe downgrade is as obvious as it is here.

 

[Always-honest]

The same downgraded crap we´re seeing right now?

This doesn´t look any closer to the initial reveal - or any better than what they have shown yesterday.

Pop in is horrible.

yeah, if anything, the actual game probably looks/ runs better than this.