and I'd presume you'd remember me from the many times we've discussed issues like this previously without having to click on the link next to my name. I'm sure you'd remember my frustration at you only ever taking the company line on stuff like this for fear of someone making a news story out of your comments. I'm sure you'd remember my frustration at your refusal to criticize any of your peers in gaming journalism since 'you have to interact with them' at various press launches and preview events.I certainly don't expect everyone on GAF to know who I am, but I'd hope if you're gonna take the time to say something this nasty, you'd at least bother to, say, click on the link next to my avatar. Defending video game publishers is not exactly my top priority.
Oh really now
FC3:Blood Dragon possible homophobic joke
I have nothing personal against Kotaku or anything as most articles are fine, just pointing out a bit of a flaw in what you're saying
If this theory is correct, then that's good news for The Division because there is no last-gen version. I don't expect it to look like what we've seen so far, because, you know... Ubisoft, but in theory it shouldn't look as bad as Watch Dogs.
Either that, or Ubi's programmers are just a bunch of dolts that need to have the definition of "next-gen" tattooed on their fucking foreheads.
When I say "bullshit stories" I'm talking about non-stories like "video game studio puts out job listing for new video game" or "here's some more nonsense pre-order DLC whatever." I'm not talking about silly comics.
You mean like this? http://kotaku.com/yes-technical-details-are-important-in-video-games-1507704558and I'd presume you'd remember me from the many times we've discussed issues like this previously without having to click on the link next to my name. I'm sure you'd remember my frustration at you only ever taking the company line on stuff like this for fear of someone making a news story out of your comments. I'm sure you'd remember my frustration at your refusal to criticize any of your peers in gaming journalism since 'you have to interact with them' at various press launches and preview events.
Did you come into this thread and criticize gamers or did you come into this thread and criticize Ubisoft? Now, remember the resolution gate threads where we were voicing our frustration at news sites for continually editorializing the difference as being invisible. Did you go into those threads and criticize gamers or did you go into those threads and defend gaming journalism?
If you start taking our side once in a while here on neogaf, maybe I'll stop rolling my eyes every time you post in one of these threads.
Oh, I agree. Every time I see those gifs from the 2012 reveal, I think to myself "Dammit, Ubi, THAT'S the game I wanted to play... where the f* is it?"That said, its not really the issue at hand. If they started with that Aisha Tyler trailer and worked up to what were seeing now, no harm no foul. Instead they showed us something on high end developer PC 2 years ago and said "you get to play that", and now hope foggy memory presides over your experience.
Yup. Guys in the trenches don't make decisions like this. I think most of us know that, and when we say "devs", we're usually referring to the game's management.Tyrantll said:There's dolts, but it's not the developer working their tail off on this game. It's the people running the studio and Ubi. Those are decisions they made, that very well can come back and burn the whole project.
When I say "bullshit stories" I'm talking about non-stories like "video game studio puts out job listing for new video game" or "here's some more nonsense pre-order DLC whatever." I'm not talking about silly comics.
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I wouldn't go that far but what he said is nonsense. As it has been mentioned, the graphics aren't going to mysteriously change this close to going gold.
Jason saying they won't release videos if all they get is backlash is valid. Their marketing of the game is the problem. If Ubi didn't get it totally wrong with their target renders, this wouldn't be blowing up.
Jason saying they won't release videos if all they get is backlash is valid. Their marketing of the game is the problem. If Ubi didn't get it totally wrong with their target renders, this wouldn't be blowing up.
So this isn't considered a "non story" to you?
Killer Instinct on stage trash talk
Also I'm pretty sure when that story went up it alluded to it being a rape joke, but has since been edited
I've seen this posted a few times now in this thread. I'm curious since I honestly don't know, but did they actually say at e3 2012 that they "promise" the final game will look like this? Or is it more that we are suppose to take whatever they show us is a promise as to what the game will look like at release?
When I say "bullshit stories" I'm talking about non-stories like "video game studio puts out job listing for new video game" or "here's some more nonsense pre-order DLC whatever." I'm not talking about silly comics.
You mean like this? http://kotaku.com/yes-technical-details-are-important-in-video-games-1507704558
I dunno, if you don't think I'm being honest and transparent on here, feel free to ignore me. Simple as that.
It's Patricia Hernandez all her articles are about random crap or hyped up.
It's Patricia Hernandez all her articles are about random crap or hyped up.
A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.
I've seen this posted a few times now in this thread. I'm curious since I honestly don't know, but did they actually say at e3 2012 that they "promise" the final game will look like this? Or is it more that we are suppose to take whatever they show us is a promise as to what the game will look like at release?
That you don't think it's newsworthy because of your readership? That you think the bigger story here is the complaining over deceptive practices? And that your opinion is given more authority because of your readership? Popularity is not authority.What you're saying has nothing to do with the post I was responding to.
I've seen this posted a few times now in this thread. I'm curious since I honestly don't know, but did they actually say at e3 2012 that they "promise" the final game will look like this? Or is it more that we are suppose to take whatever they show us is a promise as to what the game will look like at release?
Yeah look at my previous comment. Patricia is the worst offender when it comes to writing click-bait articles about topics that guarantee the wrong kind of controversy.
Y'all aren't going to drag Patricia Hernandez into this today. Her articles are fun and playful. Let's not be jaded apes now.
I dunno, if you don't think I'm being honest and transparent on here, feel free to ignore me. Simple as that.
I don't think I ever told anyone in this thread not to get upset about this? Get upset about whatever you'd like. I recall telling people why I wasn't particularly upset about this. I find the level of anger here fascinating.Editorially I have no issues with what gets posted on your website. I'm pretty sure I said as much on this page, and I no I have said as much multiple times in the past. When I see your name in one of these threads it's hilariously predictable what stance you're going to take however.
Telling gamers that they shouldn't be upset about something is something I am tired of. I'd love to hear that you contacted Ubisoft about this. I'd love to know that you didn't just take time coming here to tell us that we're wrong to care about something but that hey, we should totally read your website when you post your review. I'd love to know that you actual took time doing chasing up something which gamers want to know, and which Ubisoft have been actively dodging.
The only thing that makes me think less of Kotaku, is the stance you take on these issues here. Where is the reporting on this issue that clearly concerns gamers? I think we both know.
I have to disagree with some guys here. This GAF meltdown is entertaining but by no means newsworthy, even for kotaku. There are no real facts. Just some first impressions from gaming enthusiasts mostly based on GIFs, JPEGs and compressed flash videos. We haven't seen the real trainwreck but rather only the possible signs of it.
Y'all aren't going to drag Patricia Hernandez into this today. Her articles are fun and playful. Let's not be jaded apes now.
I have to disagree with some guys here. This GAF meltdown is entertaining but by no means newsworthy, even for kotaku. There are no real facts. Just some first impressions from gaming enthusiasts mostly based on GIFs, JPEGs and compressed flash videos. We haven't seen the real trainwreck but rather only the possible signs of it.
I don't think I ever told anyone in this thread not to get upset about this? Get upset about whatever you'd like. I recall telling people why I wasn't particularly upset about this. I find the level of anger here fascinating.
Oh really now
FC3:Blood Dragon possible homophobic joke
I have nothing personal against Kotaku or anything as most articles are fine, just pointing out a bit of a flaw in what you're saying
I find the level of anger here fascinating.
I don't think I ever told anyone in this thread not to get upset about this? Get upset about whatever you'd like. I recall telling people why I wasn't particularly upset about this. I find the level of anger here fascinating.
I have to disagree with some guys here. This GAF meltdown is entertaining but by no means newsworthy, even for kotaku. There are no real facts. Just some first impressions from gaming enthusiasts mostly based on GIFs, JPEGs and compressed flash videos. We haven't seen the real trainwreck but rather only the possible signs of it.
I don't think I ever told anyone in this thread not to get upset about this? Get upset about whatever you'd like. I recall telling people why I wasn't particularly upset about this. I find the level of anger here fascinating.
If you're worried about getting conned by Watch Dogs like so many people were with Colonial Marines, and you don't want to be screwed into buying a bad game, your best move is just to never preorder games. Wait for reviews.
I don't really think it's a good trend to freak out over how video games look before they hit store shelves, because it just encourages publishers to hide things and keep game footage under lock and key to avoid complaints like this.
Freaking out about a game's graphics two months before it comes out doesn't strike me as a productive use of time.
Kotaku is mostly interested in sensationalism. I mean honestly I see them trying desperately to find the most controversial point in a game that nobody cared about. Not saying they don't need to be discussed btw but this downgrade is obviously a controversial topic.
Here for example
People can disagree but I look at it as Kratos fighting a mythical being not a woman.
come on man, can you get any more condescending?
Not trying to drag her in. Just pointing out issues in what Jason is saying
Yes he can and his boss does a good job too. Totilo acted the same way with regards to Doritosgate. "Why do you all have to be so mad, what's the big deal, this is normal" All the typical apologist shit.
Jason is doing one man wagon circle with regards to game journalism and the people who pay him. He's downplaying legitimate concerns while playing up the "nerd rage" element. It all adds up to one big eye roll. It's crazy how pretty much Jim Sterling is the only person falling on the right side of the consumer anymore.
It's quite rude to quote me out of context, leaving out parts like "Of course, you guys can do whatever you'd like - but if you're wondering why you haven't seen many game outlets talking about this, that's one possible reason" that make it perfectly clear I'm talking about myself and the games press, not trying to tell you what to care about.Tell me as an editor that I'm wrong to read the following quotes and get the impression that you're telling us what you think we should be doing:
I'm only angry at someone from the gaming press telling me I shouldn't care about being shown misleading footage at E3, or that I shouldn't be upset that the press are ignoring an issue of much debate amongst gamers.
Maybe that isn't what you intended your words to convey, but as an editor, I think you'll see why so many people got that inference from them. I think you can see that maybe your original posts were the problem if so many people took something from them you hadn't meant to infer.
If Ubisoft release a trailer that makes their game look shit, I can say 'that looks shit'. The notion that we shouldn't judge anything from marketing... good or bad... is overly idealistic.
Jimquisition 2016
It's quite rude to quote me out of context, leaving out parts like "Of course, you guys can do whatever you'd like - but if you're wondering why you haven't seen many game outlets talking about this, that's one possible reason" that make it perfectly clear I'm talking about myself and the games press, not trying to tell you what to care about.
I don't mind arguments or even super-heated words on GAF, but when you willfully try to warp what I'm saying in order to fit your predetermined conclusions, then I have no interest in talking to you.