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[Foreign Jackass]

I know who I'm attracting in this thread, and well, I'm 100% agreeing with Roger Ebert on this one. It's the best superhero movie of all time, and frankly, I haven't seen many action movies that are directed and edited better than this one. Even if some of the special effects won't age that well, the direction, editing and most of the writing will help this movie stand amongst the best action movies of the decade when it's all said and done. It has great pacing, a great villain, good to great acting, and great sidestories.

Now...

Will someone confirm that the shot towards the end when MJ's to-be-husband jumps from the pier to climb up a ladder is completely fucked up? It's like the guy is flying across the small gap. It really looks as if he's being brought down there hanging on strings.

 

[Dujour]

I agree. I have another question: The look on MJ's face and the end makes it seem like she's not gonna like being number 1 in Pete's life. Was it just me or did it seem that way?

 

[aparisi2274]

I agree. I have another question: The look on MJ's face and the end makes it seem like she's not gonna like being number 1 in Pete's life. Was it just me or did it seem that way?

I dont know if it was supposed to be a look of "oh well now I am number 1" what am I gonna do, or "I dont know if I can stand playing second fiddle to all the crime fighting he is gonna do" and she sorta realized that after he flew out of the window.

 

[Diablos]

I agree. I have another question: The look on MJ's face and the end makes it seem like she's not gonna like being number 1 in Pete's life. Was it just me or did it seem that way?

She looked pretty happy to me... I don't know what would make you think that.

 

[olimario]

What I watched was so cheesy and the special effects were so bad. I'll try to go at it again, but I can't handle ultra-cheesy superhero stuff. The Incredibles was well written, beautiful, action packed, and well paced. I don't think I've seen another superhero film that good.

 

[Foreign Jackass]

She looked pretty happy to me... I don't know what would make you think that.

Watch it again. Seriously, I think she's just very worried about him putting his life in danger everyday.

What I watched was so cheesy and the special effects were so bad. I'll try to go at it again, but I can't handle ultra-cheesy superhero stuff. The Incredibles was well written, beautiful, action packed, and well paced. I don't think I've seen another superhero film that good.

90% of the special effects are very well done, and I don't think it's cheesy at all. It's just very highly dynamic and very close to what superhero cartoons convey.

 

[Rabid Wolverine]

I agree on the look on her face she won't be the first thing in his life. Also he said Spider-Man will always have enemies, and the people in his life will always be affected.

I reckon she will get

Spoiler

killed off

if its Raimi's last.

On the rest of the movie Alfred Molina stole the show as Ock. From that alone his on my fav actors list.

 

[homerhendrix]

Objectively I felt spider-man 2 was a better movie than the first, but for some reason I didn't enjoy it as much. Oh well.

 

[Bristow]

Both of the Spider-man movies are horrible. Far too cheesy and I hate the plastic looking special effects. Aside from Jameson there was nothing entertaining about either of them.

 

[Solid]

Hulk > *

:runs

 

[Dujour]

What I watched was so cheesy and the special effects were so bad. I'll try to go at it again, but I can't handle ultra-cheesy superhero stuff. The Incredibles was well written, beautiful, action packed, and well paced. I don't think I've seen another superhero film that good.

Are you serious? What are you comparing the special effects to?

 

[Liono]

I didn't care for the spidermans either-- sure they're fun summer movies but the excitement over spiderman 2 went way overboard. I went to see it in the theater because of the huge amount of praise and by around the half way mark I wouldn't have cared if the projector stopped working. Not saying it's bad, it does what it set out to do, but come on, does it really deserve a place on IMDB's top 250?

 

[Liono]

Are you serious? What are you comparing the special effects to?

Are you serious? The CG in spiderman 2 is going to look like a puppet show in 10 years.

 

[ConfusingJazz]

What I watched was so cheesy and the special effects were so bad. I'll try to go at it again, but I can't handle ultra-cheesy superhero stuff. The Incredibles was well written, beautiful, action packed, and well paced. I don't think I've seen another superhero film that good.

If you want cheese effects, go look at the star wars trailer again...

 

[Teknopathetic]

"Are you serious? The CG in spiderman 2 is going to look like a puppet show in 10 years."

Just about ALL modern CG in movies is going to look like a puppet show in 10 years.

 

[Foreign Jackass]

I didn't care for the spidermans either-- sure they're fun summer movies but the excitement over spiderman 2 went way overboard. I went to see it in the theater because of the huge amount of praise and by around the half way mark I wouldn't have cared if the projector stopped working. Not saying it's bad, it does what it set out to do, but come on, does it really deserve a place on IMDB's top 250?

No, it does not. It's still an incredible action movie.

 

[Dujour]

Are you serious? The CG in spiderman 2 is going to look like a puppet show in 10 years.

Yeah, so? What's your point, you animal?

 

[COCKLES]

Have you seen *any* action movies before? Cos I can count dozens that shit all over Spiderman 2.

 

[karasu]

yes it deserves a place in the IMDB's top 250. So much worthelss bullshit is on that list! Spidey 2 is every bit as worthy as KBVol1, The Matrix, Fight Club,Donnie Darko Shrek, and the rest of the pointlessly popular crap over there.

 

[FightyF]

I thought the train fight was a pretty good appetizer action sequence...but then the ending was lackluster. I wouldn't classify it as an action movie at all. I really wish the last fight had Spiderman outsmart and outperform Dr. Octopus...rather than have the him just die as a result of his own machine.

Spiderman didn't kick any ass in the whole movie...in fact, all he did was get his ass kicked throughout the whole movie.

 

[Liono]

Just about ALL modern CG in movies is going to look like a puppet show in 10 years.

You must not watch too many movies

 

[Dujour]

I don't know, maybe you watch movies for the wrong reasons. I liked it a lot and even if I think it had cheesy effects, that won't change a bit. I recently saw the Evil Dead trilogy for the first time recently and I liked it a lot. When people get older though, their imaginations wither. You've gotta fight that, man.

 

[Liono]

I don't know, maybe you watch movies for the wrong reasons. I liked it a lot and even if I think it had cheesy effects, that won't change a bit. I recently saw the Evil Dead trilogy for the first time recently and I liked it a lot. When people get older though, their imaginations wither. You've gotta fight that, man.

I don't know what the hell you're talking about. All I said was it's not one the best 250 movies of all time.

 

[Shinobi]

does it really deserve a place on IMDB's top 250?

You could ask that about 90% of the movies in that list.

Spidey 2 is the third best live action comic-based movie I've seen, despite some of the flaws. I still rank the first two Superman movies ahead of it. As far as cheese goes, I don't know how Spidey 2 can be knocked for that while another cheesefest like The Incredibles is praised in the same breath.

 

[Dujour]

Sorry Liono, I'm being overly defensive because of what oli and cockles said. Also, I can't stand grafix hors.

 

[Fresh Prince]

You could ask that about 90% of the movies in that list.

Spidey 2 is the third best live action comic-based movie I've seen, despite some of the flaws. I still rank the first two Superman movies ahead of it. As far as cheese goes, I don't know how Spidey 2 can be knocked for that while another cheesefest like The Incredibles is praised in the same breath.

The Incredibles is a lot melancholy and darker than people give it credit for.

 

[Dujour]

I'm not saying it was bad (I liked it), but calling it dark just because the villain actually killed people doesn't make it that dark.

 

[Deleted member 4784]

I really liked Spider-Man 2, but I didn't like the "romance" scene between Peter and Mary Jane after the factory sinks. Spider-Man makes a giant web and the first scene is of him crawling up to Mary Jane. The whole thing was just sooo corny.

Other than that though, Spider-Man 2 was an awesome movie. ^^ I wish that Peter was more like the science whiz that he was in the comic books/cartoon series, though. I'd also like to see less romance and more arch villainy/scientific Peter Parker stuff going on.

 

[Fresh Prince]

I'm not saying it was bad, but calling it dark just because the villain actually killed people doesn't make it that dark.

For what many people thought was going to be 'a kid's film'? Okay it may not be 'dark' or 'melancholy' in your opinion but it isn't 'cheese' in mine.

 

[Dujour]

Nor in mine, but without characters like spiderman, The Incredibles would be NOTHING. YOU HEAR THAT, NOTHING!

 

[Shinobi]

The Incredibles is a lot melancholy and darker than people give it credit for.

No shit. It still has elements of cheese.

 

[Willco]

Go forth and spread the gospel, for the the truth shall set you free.

 

[Phoenix]

Its a great movie if you need to be reminded of what's going on - often. I just wanted to yell out "For fucks sake we get it, we understand Parkers suffering as Spiderman - now get the fuck on with it!"

 

[jett]

Are you serious? The CG in spiderman 2 is going to look like a puppet show in 10 years.

It looks like a puppet show NOW. Sorry, but the digital doubles fucking suck in SM2. You can easily tell when they go all CG, they look and move as if they were made of rubber. This shit in films needs to STOP.

That aside...I enjoyed the first one a whole lot more.

 

[Spectral Glider]

I loved Spiderman 2 and I loved the Incredibles....and the two set out to accomplish entirely different things and succeeded. I honestly don't understand the need or see the logic in pitting the two against one another. Besides, one's based on a classic, pre-established universe while the other is free to cop from all kinds of genres.

 

[Die Squirrel Die]

I said it around the time but Mary Jane is a self-centred, attention seeking bitch. Peter would have been far better off with the daughter of his landlord. When he was down she gave him sympathy and cake, what did MJ give him? And earful about missing her play. Even if you take out the secret superhero stuff, he's still a poor student who has to work crappy part time jobs. Any non-bitch would realise this and be understanding.

But Spiderman (both of them), okay pop-corn flicks, nothing more, yes and corny as hell. And The Incredibles may owe its genesis to Spiderman and its ilk (although Spiderman wasn't the first comic), but that doesn't negate that it does it better. It's the Alexander to Spiderman's Philip, except without the issues.

 

[Dujour]

When he was down she gave him sympathy and cake

heha

I favor Betty Brant. In the comic, though, she hates spidey because she blames him for her brother's death.

 

[The Faceless Master]

i thought the movie was too drawn out and boring at times....

a.k.a. the "AI" factor...

seriously

Peter would have been far better off with the daughter of his landlord.

IAWTP

 

[Diablos]

The transition from a smile to a serious face is not one of disgust, but concern for someone she loves. She's naturally struck with worry because she now knows what he goes through.

 

[Dujour]

I mean, going by what happens in the comic, it's more a look of disappointment rather than concern.

 

[Diablos]

What - they break up in the comic? It's the movie... so I'm not surprised if they change that.

 

[Fresh Prince]

No shit. It still has elements of cheese.

The cheese in the Incredibles was needed because it was marketed as kid/family film after all. You can't compare the two as 'Super Hero' films since they were marketed towards different audiences. Olimario sucks for drawing the comparison in the first place.

 

[olimario]

The cheese in The Incredibles is plays into the Pixar humor. It fits with a film like that and seems intentional. With a movie like Spider-Man that kind of cheese doesn't work. It's glaring and awkward.

 

[Dujour]

Spider-Man's always been about having bad luck and dealing with it through humor. What parts do you think were cheesy?

 

[Foreign Jackass]

Have you seen *any* action movies before? Cos I can count dozens that shit all over Spiderman 2.

I've seen more than my share of any type of movie, really.

 

[J2 Cool]

The cheese in the Incredibles was needed because it was marketed as kid/family film after all. You can't compare the two as 'Super Hero' films since they were marketed towards different audiences. Olimario sucks for drawing the comparison in the first place.

The Incredibles wasn't dumbed down for kids. If there's any reason for Pixar's success, it's because they don't make a product for the kids. They simply make stories with imaginative plots and universes. Shark's Tale is a movie made for kids, or Robots. Pixar's different. The Incredibles is one of the best, if not the best superhero flick imo. Compare it to whatever you want

 

[speedpop]

Batman Begins will kill everything in it's path.

 

[Fresh Prince]

The Incredibles wasn't dumbed down for kids. If there's any reason for Pixar's success, it's because they don't make a product for the kids. They simply make stories with imaginative plots and universes. Shark's Tale is a movie made for kids, or Robots. Pixar's different. The Incredibles is one of the best, if not the best superhero flick imo. Compare it to whatever you want

Pixar\Disney\Buena Vista is a family oriented company. If they wanted to do something more adult they'd do it through Miramax. If you want to admit it or not animation is still seen as a medium for children\families in the West. In The Incredibles or Nemo there are parts relevant for adults, there are parts that are for kids. Many kids would not get the part of monotony of everday life- screwing people over for a living, the cynical nature of life where you can ruin somebody's death etc. Even if you STILL think the content is approachable for kids the way the film was marketed indicates otherwise as well.

 

[Shinobi]

The cheese in the Incredibles was needed because it was marketed as kid/family film after all. You can't compare the two as 'Super Hero' films since they were marketed towards different audiences. Olimario sucks for drawing the comparison in the first place.

That was my point...Olimario sucks. :lol

 

[nitewulf]

i'd say the incredibles was more cute than cheesy really. as for spiderman 2, way too mushy for me...i just thought it was too much. i love the first one though, and if it was less mushy i'd have loved the second one.
in related news, i just bought this:

so a winner is me!