who said haiku was a town power? where did you get that? It's almost certainly not a town power.
I think it could be a town power and I have said so multiple times already.
who said haiku was a town power? where did you get that? It's almost certainly not a town power.
Are we really certain that haiku is a town power? Being roleblocked if they don't adhere to it sounds too malicious to have a townie want to use it - even if they wanted to see what it was like. There is still the possibility that it is a side-effect of a beneficial power. In that case, the haiku curse may be randomly assigned after the power is used.
There's also the case that Ty4on was targeted for being slightly scummy with a low post count.
- When did this occur?
- Why did this occur?
- Should we even go for Ferret as the suspect or is that just Obsfucation?
Coppa jumping immediately on Ferret strikes me as odd. Either he is looking for discussion on his thoughts or is using him as a scapegoat. I'll know more if he gets off Ferret soon - though me bringing this up may cause him to do so as well.
I think it could be a town power and I have said so multiple times already.
role block and vote deny as a town power? and pigs fly.
That would be extremely crippling if they hit a scum target so I don't see the issue?
or it forces them to write in haiku making it actually harder to read them.
We'll know for certain (more or less) the next day phase. If it is a town-aligned power with no other advantages then we need to agree as a town not to use it again. Yeah, it may hit scum, but who'd be willing to break the curse and lose their role? Not many. It isn't helping us at all so unless it is a side-effect of a really effective power then just hold off. "Ha ha they can only post in haikus lol" Yeah, we get it. Stop it.
If it continues, we know it's a malicious act.
wow Jay you must be so lonely being the only one around for like eight hours. QUOTE]
I have work now. People should be waking up when I get back.
Pretty much all we can do is wait and see if it infects anybody else. I don't believe Ty4on can provide any more info than he already has.
Honestly Ferret I don't think you're getting lynched. At least not yet. It just seems like too obvious of a choice - like we're being goaded. People are just looking for any connections at all.
The haiku curse is definitely not going to have much merit on our main lynching discussion anyway so we should just drop it. We can't really say much more until we have more information. We need to find scum and a guy speaking in haiku isn't going to lead us to scum at this point.
I did not do it
It said it came from a mist
Made by a player
I wrote no message
Made by another player
Just clumsy writing
Do you mean there was a possibility Retro could influence the game in such a way? If so, yeah, that line points at a player power.he did specify that his current ailment was in fact caused by a player among us, and not some unknowable source from beyond our reach.
Like, this stuff raised my alarms last night:
It seems like, totally weird to me. Putting aside like any mention of yours truly altogether, this is like a pretty weird reaction, don't ya think? Why's he like, trying to start a last minute vote train? Suuuuper bizarro, and really like, rubs me the wrong-est way for some reason.
TL21xx something we will be talking about all day, I'm sure. Mike is suss as fuck but there is a vote on him so we won't have issue keeping him engaged. Ferret is still high suspect for me as well but his back and forth with Boo Boo is still in progress. So I'll go
VOTE: Pop-O-Matic
next. The reason Scrafty brought up near the beginning of the day are pretty much spot on for me. I would say one of them flipping scum would clear the other for me but I notice amongst the posturing that Scrafty has not placed a vote on Pop at all during the entirety of this game though she has suspected him. It might be something worth following up with but we'd have to see a flip first and I find Pop to be more sus than Scrafty.
For detailed reasoning, my issue is that Pop dogged Scrafty from the opening moments of day 1, held fast to it for the longest time, and then near the end of the day phase decided to back pedal and start a lynch train on a completely player instead. This would have saved Darklighter, if successful, who we now know was a vanilla town which doesn't really make much sense. Why bother trying to do this? What was the motivation? I did think of a scenario where scum maybe thought that Stanley was a PR of some sort because all of his posts after the game started were playing a character but would that be worth outing yourself randomly? It was general scummy behavior though and I am going to place a vote now so that we have another avenue of discussion. Things stagnating this early is not going to help us any.
So you guys (Sorian and Jay) are taking a wait and see stance on the haiku issue, hoping that with time we get more info right?
Squidy what do you think since you're leaning on the haiku being an anti-town based thing, how do you think we should handle this situation? Is it also a wait and see, just with a different stance on the alliance of the power?
wow Jay you must be so lonely being the only one around for like eight hours.
Sorian I know you're waiting for Pop to reply, but if you're willing could you give me a few of the reasons you think I'm sketchy? You don't have to change your vote, I'll see it. If you want to wait that's cool too, the stress of knowing whats coming is giving me a headache is all.
As I said before, I honestly thought that Darklighter was a little more valuable to keep around, since there was more discussion around him and we could get a somewhat better read on the situation if they took out him than we would with Stanley. Plus, since I had a good feeling at that point that nothing was going to happen to cause Scrafty to become a worthwhile lynch to most other players, So I decided to go with what I felt was best in the short-term rather than what I felt was the real best option. Still, I can easily see how suspicious I was acting there, and if you want to lynch me today, then I have no hard feelings.
Other thoughts:
- Since Stanley didn't get killed night 1 (and, in fact, the mafia's strategy seems to be leaning towards more active posters), I don't really think there's any point in trying to lynch him today unless he ends up sending really bad scum signals.
- On Ty4on's haiku curse: While it's been pointed out that similar abilities have been assigned to town players before, it just seems like cursing someone to disrupt their ability to contribute to the discussion in a meaningful way just feels very anti-town. Gonna assume the ability is a scum one until proven otherwise.
- On Boo Boo'N's death: Yeah, IDK. Scum trying to throw us off our game? Town that thought they had a good target after Ferret & Boo's back and forth? Neutral just stiring the pot for the hell of it? So many possibilities that it's almost impossible to figure out why it happened, which is NOT good for us...
- Another thing that has been pointed out before is the fact that, despite all that is happening, Sorian and Coppa are coming out of this unscathed. It'd seem like, at the very least, one of them would have been hit with the haiku curse. I know that a lot of people think it's that scum is afraid that they might have read legit scum, but I still can't shake the feeling that they're scum themselves. Still, might be worthwhile to go through their lists and see who Sorian and Coppa suspected that Fireblend didn't.
- On TL21xx: Hints at PR D1. Doesn't die N1. Doesn't put in his action for claimed RL reasons. Makes a full claim with a character that, according to some, isn't exactly in-flavor. Doesn't die to the out of left field day kill that happened after claim. Yeah, there's a LOT of worrying stuff going on there that makes him what I feel is our top scum for the day.
StanleyPalmtree - A non-entity due to inactiveness. I've been in a position where real life has prevented me from posting on the first day before, so I can relate, but it's not helpful to town.
Unmasked Ferret - Very passive, very under the radar, it's gonna be a null read from me but not in a good way. He's posted enough that I know he's reading the thread, but not frequently or substantially enough for me to have a clear read.
Karu - A non-entity. No read.
Ty4on - Another player that's doing a great job of flying under the radar; posting just enough to not fall in the inactive category, but not enough to produce any clear reads.
Pop-O-Matic - Honestly I haven't been paying attention to him. I know he voted for Scrafty, who is also on my list, because her character seems annoying to him (and I mostly agree though lynching her isn't on the cards for me atm). Other than that a null read.
AbsolutBro - I'm cautious of him. He's posted only a few times but his posts have substance so he comes across as a good player. Like Sorian, if he's scum we don't want to lynch him now because he's being useful. So far, town.
Razmos - Squidy pointed his finger at him earlier, but that I think told me more about Squidy than it did about Razmos, and I said as much as a response. Other than that he's been inactive since he defended himself from that.
Seath - He's high on my scum list. He fucked up last night (IRL) by claiming ordinary town and when confronted tried to cover it up with an obvious "haha it was all a plan!" claim - two not very smart moves in a row. That is enough for me to not trust him one bit.
Mike_Hawk689 - I think he did some damage control on behalf of Seath's claim and subsequent "plan" claim when I called him out that didn't sit right with me (that's why I moved his name down here). Other than that he seemed to be playing quietly but keeping a predictable pace. He's sitting right in the edge of what "flying under the radar" feels like for me. At least I recognize his name.
Setre - Super quiet. No read. Fake edit: He posted right before I did. Thanks! Setre - Another reactionary post to votes against him, and an odd defense of Seath that makes me that much likely to vote for him just because now I'm curious about people soft-defending him.
Either:
Seath did some shit that could be implied that Seath's responsible for Haiku-ing Ty4on
or,
That farmer/cowboy shit you've been posting actually means something and is a symbol of your role claim.
Or it could be A RUSE!!!
Vote: Unmasked Ferret
I feel the wheel and I aren't going to get along this game.
Ugggghhhhh.
VOTE: Mike_Hawk689
For now, I realized there's a more pressing gap in our investigation that nobody has really pointed out lately.
Setre, what's up with no reads list from yesterday? Lots of people had some, or at least provided some opinions on other players (if it wasn't a formal list). You never posted anything like it from what I can tell. You did mention that "Everyone is holding their cards close to their chest" , but you've held them even tighter. You defended Seath, but opted for a No Lynch overall (and you actually didn't post in the last 24 hours of the day). Other than that the only player you really seemed to give any level of opinion on was Fireblend when you mentioned his whole "Role claim/not role claim" thing wayyy back at the start.
Who are your top 3 suspects right now? Who are your top 3 safes right now?Vote: Setre
I don't think TL21xx fake-claimed. It sounds too much like a valid power as well as one that would fit in here in Nightvale. People have said that it doesn't seem to fit the character... but they don't know any other distinguishing traits about the farmer apart from his oratory skills. I'm going to assume that it is a real role and TL21xx just should never had mentioned an ability to vote twice so early. Unless he was afraid of dying before he could claim and use that power, it should have been kept for later in the game when there are more valid scum targets. Forgetting to PM is just... so stupid.
I may be a GAF super lurker, but I'd at least have the site open in a tab in the background and make sure to send the PM near the beginning of the night phase instead of waiting and assuming he had time near the damn deadline. If he's town, then the mafia would just want us to lynch him today or tomorrow if he doesn't make do on his promise. It is also likely that he could be protected by a doctor if one is kind enough to do so and isn't salty about the whole deal. But here's the thing... If he's scum -
Then he is the worst scum player that I have ever seen. Seriously.
It seems like I'm defending him a bit much but I just want him to make do on his promise and I don't want to see another town flip at this point. He gets a pass... for now. Remember, scum want us to chase leads in the opposite direction. They'd want nothing better than for us to just kill each other. I bet they feel like they don't even need to do anything at this point.
I really think there is a scum hiding in some of the low or fluff posters so I think we need to get everybody posting. Everybody posts. You hear me? Substantial posts!
Moving on
The haiku thing seems weird as does taking out Boo. Why didnt the Mafia target the most active player who seems to be town aligned?
Vote: Sorian
I'm of course assuming these are Mafia powers but why would someone Town aligned kill Boo? He didn't seem suspicious as far as I can tell. Why wouldn't someone Town aligned target me for the haiku? I'm suspicious as they come.
Just to make sure we are on the same page here, this is not the power to vote twice. His power would make it so that in the next day phase we would be lynching two people, so both first and second place in votes would go.
I am still salty on this whole deal and we are going into a possible waste of time by allowing this non-sense to continue but I want his power to activate if it is real so yes, I'm fine giving him another night but we can't keep getting jerked around on this.
I am still salty on this whole deal and we are going into a possible waste of time by allowing this non-sense to continue but I want his power to activate if it is real so yes, I'm fine giving him another night but we can't keep getting jerked around on this.
These are people Fireblend didnt have a really good read on, plus Seath. Id assume theres probably mafia in this list somewhere. My reasoning for this is as follows:
Fireblend seemed pretty good at reading people, the Mafia saw this and realized if any one of their comrades whos been inactive started posting hed call them out.
Why Fireblend and not Sorian? Maybe Sorians Mafia, maybe the Mafia knew whoever the doctor is would protect Sorian, maybe Sorian goes during our next Night Phase.
Fair enough, I wasn't asking for why you defended Seath there, I wanted information about who you suspect. You've provided some in this post, so I got what I wanted out of you for now.Boos last post. I find the first part interesting about Seath, whatd Boo see that made him say that?
The first person Boo voted for, seems like he was following the wheel here.
Second vote and last before being killed. Voted for Mike because he suspected he was responsible for the Haiku thing.
Did Boo strike gold with either of these theories or was he simply an easy target?
I dont do lists and as I said during the first day, no one seemed suspicious to me. I also already explained why I defended Seath.
Moving on
The haiku thing seems weird as does taking out Boo. Why didnt the Mafia target the most active player who seems to be town aligned?
Vote: Sorian
I'm of course assuming these are Mafia powers but why would someone Town aligned kill Boo? He didn't seem suspicious as far as I can tell. Why wouldn't someone Town aligned target me for the haiku? I'm suspicious as they come.
I know that. Didn't want to type that out. Should have said "double-lynch" now that I think about it.
I don't really want to scrounge through old threads but I wonder how often Sorian is night-killed and when that usually occurs. He has also said that he has never been lynched so when he is scum he must never lose. Unless he is killed by a neutral or vigilante. Are we going to eventually lynch Sorian if he never gets night-killed? 0_0
If we start lynching scum and they match with Sorian's and other's reads then we should be confident that Sorian is town.
Not quoting anyone in particular because this is kind of talking to both Absolut and Coppa's posts. I want Pop to engage more which is why I am keeping my vote there but after that, I think we need to have a real conversation with Mike again.
As for Ferret, as I said in my first post this morning, I have reasons to suspect him but I don't think it is concrete enough to choose him over other people today. At the very least, he is being active again which is still a boon for town at this juncture even if he is scum.
Anytime bud, lets meet at the coffee shop at 1pm est. (Thats when i start work = in front of a pc)
Finally, fine, I can accept that logic on Stanley although, as you say, that's extremely suspicious but let's move to a new topic. What are your plans for today? What/who do you think we should be pursuing?
Cthulhu - I was a town member who could be recruited by the scum team, I was recruited during the first night phase and was also investigated that night. The investigator saw that I was scum and he also happened to get a book that roamed to random players during the next day. He used the book on night 2 to erase both him and myself from existence (basically NK'd both of us)
For those who are new to the group, this is why people sometimes claim that Sorian didn't play Cthulu - because he was erased from existence. I was an insane player, (recruitable, like Sorian) so I kept making references to him hoping someone would call me on it and I could hint at my insane status. No one did.
I'm going to have to read Cthulhu. It also seems to be like a better idea would have been to recruit Sorian later when he had really made himself seem like town (since he was). Popping off the recruit ability on the first night seems reckless.
...aaaand that's enough about other games. Back to this one.
Thinking I killed Boo, means you guys are getting played!
Thinking I killed Boo, means you guys are getting played!
Well, who would want to frame you? What's your take on why Boo died so early on in the day otherwise? You're providing no alternative explanations in your defense, nor are you really giving us any better ideas right now.
Have you actually told us about any suspicions today other than throwing a vote on Ty4on because haikus are scary?
You're focusing a lot on defending yourself and less on actually catching scum.
Well, who would want to frame you? What's your take on why Boo died so early on in the day otherwise? You're providing no alternative explanations in your defense, nor are you really giving us any better ideas right now.
Those two look scummyAs for Boo boo'n specifically dying, it's one of two things (as has been covered several times before my post) :
1. Done by scum to make us kill Ferret
2. Done as such an obvious #1 so that we leave Ferret alone
I realize the two options are sort of a WIFOU dichotomy, but it does perhaps bring up a rather basic question:
How much do we trust Ferret? If we decide we trust Ferret enough today to keep him alive today, will we continue to be able to trust him going forward?
For me, I don't find much in his posts that gives me a scum vibe.
Those two look scummy
Maybe scum preventing us
From searching lurkers
I have said little
Many have said a lot less
Don't tunnel your search
Haikus' side effect?
Maybe a strong role for town
Like a delayed kill
Day kill day command
Then I'm thinking scum power
If night maybe town
Haikus' side effect?
Maybe a strong role for town
Like a delayed kill
Day kill day command
Then I'm thinking scum power
If night maybe town
Those two look scummy
Maybe scum preventing us
From searching lurkers
I have said little
Many have said a lot less
Don't tunnel your search