Western Localisation Of Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Features Costume And Age Changes

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As someone who has actually played that game, you're still getting most of your anime cleavage. Tsubasa still looks like below in her Carnage form and the booty is still in her transformation sequence.

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But if you have issue with any changes? Yeah, you probably should've been prepared for disappointment, given recent Nintendo titles.
 
MHWilliams said:
As someone who has actually played that game, you're still getting most of your anime cleavage. Tsubasa still looks like below in her Carnage form and the booty is still in her transformation sequence.
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It kinda makes me wonder where the line for certain changes is? If I remember right, her default outfit is changed.....but she still has costumes that seem just as fanservicey like this which I guess is why the age was still change.

I've also only seen screenshots, but I don't see any reason not to bring over the hot springs dlc. It looked like it was just people in swimsuits talking.

And yes. These are obviously changes asked by Nintendo, and anyone who looks at Atlus's previous output would know this is the case.

Eh, some of the stuff in this game veered a little too hard into the otaku creep territory, so I have no problem with this.
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I do remember being disappointed when I heard there's no delving into the darker territory and problems of the idol business or other stuff in the entertainment industry when that's a large part of both the SMT and Persona games.
 
The visual changes are super minor to me in the grand scheme but I wish they'd replace the omitted DLC with something else instead of outright cutting it for western audiences.
 
Stealing this response from somone in v/

Japan version released in 2015 -> characters are 17
West version released in 2016 -> characters are 18

It works ;p

About the changes - it is what it is, I take it as part of the localization process. Ultimately, I care about gameplay and will still buy.
 
MHWilliams said:
As someone who has actually played that game, you're still getting most of your anime cleavage. Tsubasa still looks like below in her Carnage form and the booty is still in her transformation sequence.



But if you have issue with any changes? Yeah, you probably should've been prepared for disappointment, given recent Nintendo titles.
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Don't care about the anime cleavage, but I will be disappointed if the DLC doesn't come over.
 
varkuriru said:
About the changes - it is what it is, I take it as part of the localization process. Ultimately, I care about gameplay and will still buy.
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If they had altered the gravure poses to be more reflective of Western modelling/softcore pornography because the latter would be more understandable to Western audiences, maybe. But I think people here would have understood cleavage, panties and bathing scenes just fine.
 
MHWilliams said:
As someone who has actually played that game, you're still getting most of your anime cleavage. Tsubasa still looks like below in her Carnage form and the booty is still in her transformation sequence.



But if you have issue with any changes? Yeah, you probably should've been prepared for disappointment, given recent Nintendo titles.
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Some people want panties.
 
MHWilliams said:
As someone who has actually played that game, you're still getting most of your anime cleavage. Tsubasa still looks like below in her Carnage form and the booty is still in her transformation sequence.



But if you have issue with any changes? Yeah, you probably should've been prepared for disappointment, given recent Nintendo titles.
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What about the rumors of story changes, or do those not have any weight?
 
Atlus i'll have you know that in europe people of 16 can fuck and drink alcohl (this depends on the specific country as this range between 15 and 18 depending on the specific country), so they might as well be qualified to save the world in a fantasy game..
Plus some risaue outfit? Just put a pegi 16..
Nowdays 15-16 y/o are playing cod/halo etc..
I can safely say an Exposes boom will have less impact on their personality than shooting someone in the face in high res with replay :)
 
witchedwiz said:
Atlus i'll have you know that in europe people of 16 can fuck and drink alcohl (this depends on the specific country as this range between 15 and 18 depending on the specific country), so they might as well be qualified to save the world in a fantasy game..
Plus some risaue outfit? Just put a pegi 16..
Nowdays 15-16 y/o are playing cod/halo etc..
I can safely say an Exposes boom will have less impact on their personality than shooting someone in the face in high res with replay :)
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This is Nintendo's doing rather than Atlus. This is entirely consistent with Nintendo's recent history and not at all consistent with how Atlus handles their games.
 
Feels like I'll have to wait some years until that Wii U Emulator runs and hope someone applies the English subtitles to the original Japanese games in order to play proper versions of these games.

What is going on at Nintendo that they've gone back to 90s censorship of practices?
 
Fine with the age stuff, it never really matters in these games anyway. Fine with the changing of some costumes because whatever in some cases the newer costumes look better.

Not so fine with changing the bikini pictures in a dungeon purely because I don't know the original context. Like it could be something like in Persona 4 where Kanji and Rise's dungeons were risqué. Like you had Shadow Kanji running around in a towel being all suggestive and Rise in the stip club place and bikini because they were how they felt inside how others would see them. Rise being an idol and Kanji being confused about his sexuality. For all I know the bikini stuff was part of the dungeon for the same reason the Rise stuff in P4 was, the creepy/pervy side of idol stuff. Again though, I don't know why the pictures are even in that dungeon and I know next to nothing about the game (only that it looks fun from the trailers) so the bikini pics could just be sexy fanservice for the sake of it without any real reason and could work just as well with clothed pictures. I have to see what it's like in game and compare it to the JP version to judge it properly.

Weird about the hotspring DLC/Swimsuit stuff not coming. Then again hotspring stuff in anime just seems (from my experience) a chance to have a silly "boys perv on the girls then get caught" moment and I've seen it enough in various animes and games to be over it. I dunno though, could have been a cool dungeon and boss fight for all I know (again, I've ignored stuff about the JP release).
 
FluxWaveZ said:
I cannot believe this assumption that Atlus is somehow the impetus for these changes, or that it's even being discussed.

Really? Is this not the most obvious thing in the world? Nintendo themselves have stated the reason the in-game changes were made, and it's essentially because they are publishing this game. The TMS #FE leak already stated that Nintendo is overseeing the project and making these kinds of decisions; Atlus being the localization team does not mean they're the ones who are deciding content changes at all.

Edit: I feel like this whole #FE saga has revealed that so many enthusiasts actually don't know what the difference is between a developer and a publisher.
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My thoughts on the bikini DLC come back to P4DAN. P4DAN had bikini DLC and it was not taken out and not edited. That game came out on the Vita.

I'm not saying Atlus didn't proactively get rid of it because they knew Nintendo would ask them to, but you can't say Atlus is proactively getting rid of stuff like this when they have a history of doing the exact opposite.

For the record, I'm pretty much indifferent to it and think it looks fine either way.
 
In a super conservative country you get the lewd version. In the more skimpy approving continents you get the covered up version. Kinda funny.

There are no other changes? Topics or themes? that stuff really bums me out. Always hated how SNES games would alter religious stuff in the 90s or how alcohol would be some kind of juice or something.
 
witchedwiz said:
Atlus i'll have you know that in europe people of 16 can fuck and drink alcohl (this depends on the specific country as this range between 15 and 18 depending on the specific country), so they might as well be qualified to save the world in a fantasy game..
Plus some risaue outfit? Just put a pegi 16..
Nowdays 15-16 y/o are playing cod/halo etc..
I can safely say an Exposes boom will have less impact on their personality than shooting someone in the face in high res with replay :)
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Fictional sexuality in media has proven long term effects on the psyche.

Fictional violence on the other hand has no proven long term effects.
Garraboa said:
Neogaf's not even their source
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Internet -> Gaf -> Internet -> Internet -> Gaf?
 
PillarEN said:
There are no other changes? Topics or themes? that stuff really bums me out. Always hated how SNES games would alter religious stuff in the 90s or how alcohol would be some kind of juice or something.
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There will certainly be other changes, yes. These are simply the ones found from the PAX demonstrations. Originally, the first dungeon revolved around gravure idols and a preverted photographer, but those themes are rumored to be changed. I've avoided a lot because I don't want spoilers, but I'm sure there are other elements of the game that will be changed as well.
 
Zomba13 said:
Weird about the hotspring DLC/Swimsuit stuff not coming. Then again hotspring stuff in anime just seems (from my experience) a chance to have a silly "boys perv on the girls then get caught" moment and I've seen it enough in various animes and games to be over it. I dunno though, could have been a cool dungeon and boss fight for all I know (again, I've ignored stuff about the JP release).
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Look at the quote I posted, click it and you can see some videos of the DLC. It's basically variety show style stuff (at least the vids are) and includes fan service for everyone (see the second vid lol)

Don't know what other content the DLC might have had but it looks like some silly fun to me.
 
It might just be me, but I personally can't tell anime character's ages for shit. They're look like either 3 to 12, 13 to 40, or 41 to 80 to me. The signifiers for age don't come across to me in that artstyle at all, so usually it only becomes apparent through other aspects like whether they are still in school or other indicators of "progress in life." So the 17 to 18 change seems completely inconsequential to me and they could've put any number they wanted there. Still weird that they did it, though, considering even in the U.S. 17 is a common age of consent and it's even lower in much of Europe (hell, ours is 14.)

Regardless of that, them ageing her up only to then alter her clothes as well is contradictory, in my opinion. You'd think either negates the necessity for the other.
 
Stuart444 said:
Look at the quote I posted, click it and you can see some videos of the DLC. It's basically variety show style stuff (at least the vids are) and includes fan service for everyone (see the second vid lol)

Don't know what other content the DLC might have had but it looks like some silly fun to me.
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Oh wow. Yeah, not what I expected and looks pretty tame and could have some fun character interactions. Like, it's just people in swimsuits talking/cutting a promo.
 
Zolo said:
It kinda makes me wonder where the line for certain changes is? If I remember right, her default outfit is changed.....but she still has costumes that seem just as fanservicey like this which I guess is why the age was still change.

I've also only seen screenshots, but I don't see any reason not to bring over the hot springs dlc. It looked like it was just people in swimsuits talking.

And yes. These are obviously changes asked by Nintendo, and anyone who looks at Atlus's previous output would know this is the case.
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I'd probably have brought the DLC over myself, but I'm not Nintendo/Atlus and I don't know what they feel the sales potential of the game and DLC is.

cosmicblizzard said:
What about the rumors of story changes, or do those not have any weight?
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No thoughts on those either way, because they weren't present in the demo I played. So, until then, they're rumors. Or are you talking about Tsubasa's age being changed? If so... 100 percent shrug.

Zomba13 said:
Not so fine with changing the bikini pictures in a dungeon purely because I don't know the original context. Like it could be something like in Persona 4 where Kanji and Rise's dungeons were risqué. Like you had Shadow Kanji running around in a towel being all suggestive and Rise in the stip club place and bikini because they were how they felt inside how others would see them. Rise being an idol and Kanji being confused about his sexuality. For all I know the bikini stuff was part of the dungeon for the same reason the Rise stuff in P4 was, the creepy/pervy side of idol stuff. Again though, I don't know why the pictures are even in that dungeon and I know next to nothing about the game (only that it looks fun from the trailers) so the bikini pics could just be sexy fanservice for the sake of it without any real reason and could work just as well with clothed pictures. I have to see what it's like in game and compare it to the JP version to judge it properly.
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Seems to be somewhat like the Rise stuff. The dialogue got fast-forwarded, but I think the dungeon boss is a photographer for idols.
 
I don't really care about this censorship, but no way in hell it was Atlus's decision.

Nintendo was probably all like, "Yo, Atlus, localize this shit... and make sure it gets a Teen rating." Then Atlus was probably like, "Uuh, okie dokie. Will do boss."

Some weeks pass.

Atlus: "Here's what we got, Nintendo."
Nintendo: "Yo, yo, yo, what the shit are you doing?! Get them ladies clothed and up the ages or you're through!"
Atlus: "Oh uh, I guess we'll do that then. Sorry."
Nintendo: "You're God damn right you will! Jesus!"

Some more weeks pass.

Atlus: *flinching* "How's this?"
Nintendo: "Much better, you fucks! Now was that so hard?! God, some people..."

Or something like that.
 
FluxWaveZ said:
There will certainly be other changes, yes. These are simply the ones found from the PAX demonstrations. Originally, the first dungeon revolved around gravure idols and a preverted photographer, but those themes are rumored to be changed. I've avoided a lot because I don't want spoilers, but I'm sure there are other elements of the game that will be changed as well.
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Ay ay ay, that scares me a little bit. That's like removing Nazi symbols in Wolfenstein or Indiana Jones. That's messing with some of the points that were originally meant to be there.
 
Durante said:
IMHO, this is the most pertinent question raised in this thread.
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You really have to wonder. If they are going to censor costumes, then why raise the ages to 18? Would kids really care about that? Would adults really care that much about the standard costumes when you can turn on the TV and see much worse?

I just don't get what this agenda is with the game censorship lately. Censoring things that really don't need to be censored, on top of completely cutting base game content and DLC. The absolute worst is censoring of Fatal Frame which was a damn M rated game from the get go. Gimme a break.

I wanted to play this game, but I'm completely done supporting this stuff.
 
bomblord1 said:
Page 23 under "Human Considerations"

There's also another 2 links I put in after you quoted me.
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I've read the human considerations and they're just as irrelevant because people aren't using #FE for guided masturbation and discussions like that aren't proof on their own but motivate future work -- which might even exist considering the study is more than a decade old. And the same for the other two; porn abuse and addiction aren't even remotely relevant to contents that don't qualify and aren't used as such besides at best a fringe so small it should have no effect on the actual changes discussed here. Nevermind the fact that you can find any number of studies you want to "prove" something when you limit your sample to those supporting your views and interpret them with a hefty dose of confirmation bias. Just comes across as feigning authority.
 
FluxWaveZ said:
There will certainly be other changes, yes. These are simply the ones found from the PAX demonstrations. Originally, the first dungeon revolved around gravure idols and a preverted photographer, but those themes are rumored to be changed. I've avoided a lot because I don't want spoilers, but I'm sure there are other elements of the game that will be changed as well.
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A minor correction.

It's not that he's perverted. It is that he is unsatisfied with his work as a photographer.

I don't really want to spoil the game so I will be vague. I will spoiler tag this if you find it a spoiler tho.

It revolves around his lack of satisfaction with his job since he was a key figure in getting a certain character famous and part of the dungeon tackles that issue.
 
I haven't played the game, so I don't know the full context of the bikini picture dungeon, but it sounds like a pretty annoying change. Like, if Persona 4 censored Rise or Kanji's dungeon in such a way, that would radically alter the tone and story of the game. So if the bikini pictures play a major role like that, that sucks.

Then again...the "paint" splotches on the clothed pictures are still there... If that "paint" is supposed to represent what I think it might (maybe my mind is just in the gutter), then it's pretty gross either way, fully clothed or in swimwear, lol.
 
MHWilliams said:
I'd probably have brought the DLC over myself, but I'm not Nintendo/Atlus and I don't know what they feel the sales potential of the game and DLC is.

No thoughts on those either way, because they weren't present in the demo I played. So, until then, they're rumors. Or are you talking about Tsubasa's age being changed? If so... 100 percent shrug.

Seems to be somewhat like the Rise stuff. The dialogue got fast-forwarded, but I think the dungeon boss is a photographer for idols.
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I have only played the Japanese version so I'm unsure what was in the English build, but in the build that you played, was it through out the entirety of that gravure dungeon?

If you got the chance to finish it, I could ask questions pertaining to the plot, with or without spoilers, to get a better understanding and to clear up anything that may or may be considered a story change.

If this is too much of a spoiler, I will take it out but...

That dungeon revolves around a formerly famous photographer who gained recognition by being a photographer for one of the characters and making them a popular model and celebrity. The dude is consumed with his idea of not really be satisfied with his current working, trying to find a model or a job that gave him the same sense of artist satisfaction as the one that jump started his career.
 
Palculator said:
I've read the human considerations and they're just as irrelevant because people aren't using #FE for guided masturbation and discussions like that aren't proof on their own but motivate future work -- which might even exist considering the study is more than a decade old. And the same for the other two; porn abuse and addiction aren't even remotely relevant to contents that don't qualify and aren't used as such besides at best a fringe so small it should have no effect on the actual changes discussed here. Nevermind the fact that you can find any number of studies you want to "prove" something when you limit your sample to those supporting your views and interpret them with a hefty dose of confirmation bias. Just comes across as feigning authority.
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Speaking of interpreting with a heavy dose of confirmation bias. The idea I presented was examples of sexuality in media have had proven effects on the human brain yes pornography is an example of sexuality in media. This was backed up through a link to how human sexuality can be guided and a link to a 2 articles detailing how pornography is proven to influence sexual behavior.

While media violence on the other hand has never been able to form a definitive causal link to deviant violent behavior.

Meaning the initial assertion that video game sexuality will have less affect on them than shooting someone in a video game is false.
 
MHWilliams said:
As someone who has actually played that game, you're still getting most of your anime cleavage. Tsubasa still looks like below in her Carnage form and the booty is still in her transformation sequence.



But if you have issue with any changes? Yeah, you probably should've been prepared for disappointment, given recent Nintendo titles.
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Well said.

And refusing to buy the game is not going to send the intended message. Rather it will send the message to Nintendo of America that it's not worth bringing these games over. Looking back at Another Code R, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Last Window: The Secret of Cape West, Xenoblade, The Last Story, and Pandora's Tower........we don't want that back, it was a joke and a huge embarrassment considering North America is Nintendo's largest market. All of a sudden that disappeared this gen (the reaction to Xenoblade and people putting their money where their mouth is must have tied into that), and we have some people saying "oh yeah I'll buy it used because this DLC which costs extra...well I wanted it to an extent where I won't buy the game on principle."

To each their own but I'll still buy it, even as I criticize what is technically self-censorship, possibly to get a T-rating someone clearly misjudged the game getting without cuts. That decision is totally costing them money with the Hot Springs DLC (which I actually wouldn't have gotten personally) too.
 
Toxi said:
It's such a weird clusterfuck.

  • You have a game with a premise and setting based on Japanese pop culture that is a hard sell to foreigners
  • Said game did terribly in Japan, so one can imagine how difficult selling it everywhere else will be
  • They don't bother trying at dubbing the game, the most meaningful and obvious way of giving it mass market appeal in foreign markets
  • But then they waste time and money making graphical adjustments to avoid mass-market culture clash... In a game where basically everything is already alien to foreign audiences
  • And how the hell do you explain to your boss that you want to sell less DLC?

I understand the business reasons for the changes to something like Fire Emblem that actually received an extensive localization and was targeted towards a large audience, but I don't understand why Nintendo even bothered here.
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Yep, that list highlights how weird this all is.

The last bullet point is a real strange thing in particular...
 
bomblord1 said:
Speaking of interpreting with a heavy dose of confirmation bias. The idea I presented was examples of sexuality in media have had proven effects on the human brain yes pornography is an example of sexuality in media. This was backed up through a link to how human sexuality can be guided and a link to a 2 articles detailing how pornography is proven to influence sexual behavior.

While media violence on the other hand has never been able to form a causal link[/URL] to deviant violent behavior.
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The article is proving classical conditioning works in rats with ejaculation as the reward, that's why I pointed out this game isn't porn any significant number of people jack off to. And unless they do, the study is irrelevant because a positive reward (orgasm in this case) is crucial to the effect of conditioning you assert there to be. Again, barely relevant to the censorship discussion.

It's not art's job to care about people's brains either, by the way. But that's a larger topic.
 
atlus says they censored for nintendo and nintendo says atlus censored on their own
yeah, I totally believe that

im sure the weeb target audience is into that stuff , the kind of people that hate censorship and spread bad word of mouth about any of it

still, if they wanted sales they should have made feXsmt not fire emblem idolmaster
 
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