ArcaneFreeze
Member
The real Xbox 720.
What can Microsoft announce at E3 to turn it around?
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super-heated plasma
Member
I think Killer Instinct is almost certain at least. I never gave much care for it, but I know others sure do.
Unless they are kinect games, then just keep saying they are exclusives.
And my own judgment, yes - I have more trust in them and myself than Microsoft, that's for sure.
Who are you to judge my knowledge about software engineering and network communications?
Who are you to tell me what matters to me?
Why not let them put a camera directly into your living room to make things easier? Oh wait...
And I'm off to bed now - if you have any more insights into my lifestyle I'll adress them tomorrow.
Punchpudding
Member
Personally...
- offline mode (like Steam)
- low price ($350)
- decent exclusives
- practical uses for Kinect
But I'm also interested in hearing Sony's plan for how they'll manage their game installs & DRM.
- offline mode (like Steam)
- low price ($350)
- decent exclusives
- practical uses for Kinect
But I'm also interested in hearing Sony's plan for how they'll manage their game installs & DRM.
For me:
Tell me I can unplug Kinect and throw it in the closet or garbage.
Tell me I can sell MY games that I purchased with MY money.
Show games I've been wanting: Conker 2, Killer Instinct III, MechAssault 3, Crimson Skies 2.
Show awesome new IP's.
I don't like the online DRM or blocking used game shit, but it's the Kinect shit I really hate. I will not have the console, if that big brother shit doesn't fuck off. I don't want to navigate with Kinect. I don't want to play Kinect games. Stop taking my choices away from me or I'll choose to avoid your console.
Tell me I can unplug Kinect and throw it in the closet or garbage.
Tell me I can sell MY games that I purchased with MY money.
Show games I've been wanting: Conker 2, Killer Instinct III, MechAssault 3, Crimson Skies 2.
Show awesome new IP's.
I don't like the online DRM or blocking used game shit, but it's the Kinect shit I really hate. I will not have the console, if that big brother shit doesn't fuck off. I don't want to navigate with Kinect. I don't want to play Kinect games. Stop taking my choices away from me or I'll choose to avoid your console.
hgarrett54
Banned
Games.
GoG mainly.
Your on a discussion forum perhaps you shouldn't be in a discussion forum if you don't want someone to discuss your posts.
Indeed, they will end up in the same place after getting excited once they realize none of the policies they hated are getting changed.
JJDinomite
Banned
Killer Instinct
Kinnect Party Bash
freefornow
Member
100% this!
Since I can't start a new thread, I thought I would stick this here.(long read I know, but worth it.)
Dear Microsoft
I am what you would consider a lifelong gamer. My first game machine was a Commodore 64, then up to a Commodore 128. When the NES started building a robust library, I switched over to consoles. Turbografx 16, SNES, N64, and finally Dreamcast (and I still have them all minus the T16 which was stolen). Even though I kept a foot in the console world, I was evolving into a PC gamer. Our first computer was a 486 running win 3.1. I quickly grew to love the pc gamer lifestyle. I bought Win 95 the day of release, and played some great games over the years. Phantasmagoria, 7th guest, 11th hour, MYST, Sim City, Redneck Rampage, DOOM, and of course Quake. At that point I was a full time pc gamer. As soon as I could get cable internet, I took off work and had in installed. Even set up an old pc to run as a server for clan practices. I couldnt even imagine returning to consoles at that point, especially since the ps2 hype machine had pretty much killed the Dreamcast. Then one Saturday morning in November, I saw a commercial for the greatest game I had ever witnessed, Halo. It was the xbox launch weekend and I immediately went searching for a console to call my own. I must have watched the Halo menu for 10 minutes before I even started the game.
Since that time, I have remained even more loyal to the MS family. Windows phone 6, 7, and even 8. I have a launch brown 30 gig zune. I currently have 2 Win 7 laptops, 3 xbox 360s, 2 Kinects. Hell, I even bought stock in MS when it was at its lowest because I believed in the vision MS was selling for the future for unifying all its platforms and the living room. In fact, I am single handedly responsible for at least a dozen friends and family buying 360s due to my recommendation or by letting them play my console. Not to mention all the games and live subscriptions they ended up buying. If this were Mary Kay MS, you would owe me a pink Cadillac.
I was very excited leading up to the new Xbox reveal. I was convinced there was no way that MS would alienate the user base that made them what they are. The 360 is the only product you have on the market that has resonated well with the 20 to 30 something crowd. Boy was I wrong. Do you know what makes the 360 amazing? Great games, top tier graphics, and a good price. I like how it is a game machine first, that also has a great list of secondary options that compliment the system without taking anything away.
Now, here is your problem MS. I am your target audience. Mid 30s, have high speed internet, disposable income, numerous high def devices, and love playing games online. But I have zero interest in the Xbox one. I can deal with games taking a back seat to gimmicky voice controls. I can deal with having to install games. Know what I cant deal with? Not owning my games anymore. If youve been paying attention, you will remember that I still own all my old consoles that I can hook up and play ANYTIME I WANT. Even my 26 year old NES. I currently have 30 plus games for the 360. But what is going to happen in 10 years when you decide that you want me to move on to the Xbox tooie and shut down the servers for Xbox one? Should I just #dealwithit? Or how about every year when my family goes on vacation to South Carolina and I bring my xbox to clear out my backlog? Oh, btw, the reason I bring my xbox is because there is no fin internet to watch movies or surf the web. So the only other activity we have is video games.
Its a shame really. You were poised to take over the console space with the new xbox. Unfortunately, I dont know what path you plan on taking over the course of the next 5 years, and I don't think you do either. But I do know that I wont be able to tag along for the ride. Not this time old friend. Luckily there is a huge library of used games for the 360, and when my 2 year old is ready for games, the 360 will suit him just fine for many years to come.
Sincerely
Retired Console gamer
Dear Microsoft
I am what you would consider a lifelong gamer. My first game machine was a Commodore 64, then up to a Commodore 128. When the NES started building a robust library, I switched over to consoles. Turbografx 16, SNES, N64, and finally Dreamcast (and I still have them all minus the T16 which was stolen). Even though I kept a foot in the console world, I was evolving into a PC gamer. Our first computer was a 486 running win 3.1. I quickly grew to love the pc gamer lifestyle. I bought Win 95 the day of release, and played some great games over the years. Phantasmagoria, 7th guest, 11th hour, MYST, Sim City, Redneck Rampage, DOOM, and of course Quake. At that point I was a full time pc gamer. As soon as I could get cable internet, I took off work and had in installed. Even set up an old pc to run as a server for clan practices. I couldnt even imagine returning to consoles at that point, especially since the ps2 hype machine had pretty much killed the Dreamcast. Then one Saturday morning in November, I saw a commercial for the greatest game I had ever witnessed, Halo. It was the xbox launch weekend and I immediately went searching for a console to call my own. I must have watched the Halo menu for 10 minutes before I even started the game.
Since that time, I have remained even more loyal to the MS family. Windows phone 6, 7, and even 8. I have a launch brown 30 gig zune. I currently have 2 Win 7 laptops, 3 xbox 360s, 2 Kinects. Hell, I even bought stock in MS when it was at its lowest because I believed in the vision MS was selling for the future for unifying all its platforms and the living room. In fact, I am single handedly responsible for at least a dozen friends and family buying 360s due to my recommendation or by letting them play my console. Not to mention all the games and live subscriptions they ended up buying. If this were Mary Kay MS, you would owe me a pink Cadillac.
I was very excited leading up to the new Xbox reveal. I was convinced there was no way that MS would alienate the user base that made them what they are. The 360 is the only product you have on the market that has resonated well with the 20 to 30 something crowd. Boy was I wrong. Do you know what makes the 360 amazing? Great games, top tier graphics, and a good price. I like how it is a game machine first, that also has a great list of secondary options that compliment the system without taking anything away.
Now, here is your problem MS. I am your target audience. Mid 30s, have high speed internet, disposable income, numerous high def devices, and love playing games online. But I have zero interest in the Xbox one. I can deal with games taking a back seat to gimmicky voice controls. I can deal with having to install games. Know what I cant deal with? Not owning my games anymore. If youve been paying attention, you will remember that I still own all my old consoles that I can hook up and play ANYTIME I WANT. Even my 26 year old NES. I currently have 30 plus games for the 360. But what is going to happen in 10 years when you decide that you want me to move on to the Xbox tooie and shut down the servers for Xbox one? Should I just #dealwithit? Or how about every year when my family goes on vacation to South Carolina and I bring my xbox to clear out my backlog? Oh, btw, the reason I bring my xbox is because there is no fin internet to watch movies or surf the web. So the only other activity we have is video games.
Its a shame really. You were poised to take over the console space with the new xbox. Unfortunately, I dont know what path you plan on taking over the course of the next 5 years, and I don't think you do either. But I do know that I wont be able to tag along for the ride. Not this time old friend. Luckily there is a huge library of used games for the 360, and when my 2 year old is ready for games, the 360 will suit him just fine for many years to come.
Sincerely
Retired Console gamer
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Hi this is Microsoft we just wanted to let you know we're very touched by your story and hope you get Internet in South Carolina ASAP.
endlessflood
Member
Looking at the specs of the two consoles, to me it seems like the PS4 will have a significant advantage for multi-platform titles. So for me to truly consider an Xbox One, it would take the following things:
- Removing the always online/no used games/DRM bullshit
- A number of very compelling exclusives that outshine the PS4 exclusives shown
- A reasonably significant price advantage
- An obvious, unwavering commitment to hardcore gaming going forward
Beerman462
Member
Day and date release of all Xbone games on PC.
funkystudent
Member
They will have moneyhats a plenty.
EA/Respawn game.
Something from Ubi if I had to guess.
Maybe a Japanese game. Kojima or Capcom.
Exclusive DLC for a bunch of other EA games.
Maybe Read Dead Next is announced with exclusive DLC?
That rumoured exclusive Insomniac game.
I am trying to think what other potential gets are still up in the air.
Something from Valve?
"Console Exclusive" Occulus Rift support?
EA/Respawn game.
Something from Ubi if I had to guess.
Maybe a Japanese game. Kojima or Capcom.
Exclusive DLC for a bunch of other EA games.
Maybe Read Dead Next is announced with exclusive DLC?
That rumoured exclusive Insomniac game.
I am trying to think what other potential gets are still up in the air.
Something from Valve?
"Console Exclusive" Occulus Rift support?
Jewologist
Banned
A
console.
video game
dark_inferno
Member
Psychonauts 2
Brutal Legend 2
Monkey Island 3
Mother 4
FZero
Mirror Edge 2
Alan Wake 2
Exclusive From Software Game ala Dark Souls
Exclusive Platinum Games game
Will they have any of them? NO
Brutal Legend 2
Monkey Island 3
Mother 4
FZero
Mirror Edge 2
Alan Wake 2
Exclusive From Software Game ala Dark Souls
Exclusive Platinum Games game
Will they have any of them? NO
Do you get excited about sales?
Crackdown, Viva Pinata, etc.
Oh, yeah, and all the new ones.
UntoldDreams
Member
I am obliged to ask... Why are you retiring from console gaming rather than switching game console companies. You are a true loyalist that's what it smacks of.
cityhunter
Banned
Unless they drop their attitude of "anti consumerism", not very likely. This photo pretty much summarized what direction they're heading.
That's the face of a man not knowing what a game console is suppose to be about, and probably never touched a game in his life. Yet here he is....
That's the face of a man not knowing what a game console is suppose to be about, and probably never touched a game in his life. Yet here he is....
Uncle Rupee
Banned
15 exclusives. 8 of which are new IPs.
Whatever else they got wrong, that is pretty huge.
Imagine if for every established franchise, Nintendo announced it had a new IP coming?
Whatever else they got wrong, that is pretty huge.
Imagine if for every established franchise, Nintendo announced it had a new IP coming?
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
I agree with these two. I probably should add that MS should also go the PSPlus route and entice gamers into a Gold membership with free games that are rotated on a monthly basis.
As for used games, they should do it like this. If you're the first person to buy it, you should be able to use it diskless, no problem. If it's used, and you want to use it diskless, then make the used game fee reasonable, like no more than $20. Don't want to pay up? Fine, but then it'll work like installed games on the current 360, where the disk is needed for authentication so it knows that you're not doing anything funny.
If it's done properly, then this should nullify the 24-hour ping as well.
EDIT: Also, mend fences with indie developers. If that's going to be a major problem, do something about it. Letting devs self-publish would be a good start. That was the reason why I went with the PSN version of Pinball Arcade over the XBLA version- due to the XBLA version's publisher going bankrupt, it hasn't had an update in a year, while the self-published PSN version has regular updates almost on par with the other versions. That, and it gives me a reason to use my PS Vita. But mostly because of the updates.
The cereal has already been pissed in for me. There is no winning me back with a fresh bowl. Even if they did change some of these policies, the damage control, sugar-coated answers and dancing around the hard questions like a guilty criminal lying his ass off does not make me want to run out and give them my money. I don't care what games they show.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
- Roll back all the anti-consumerist bullcrap
- Then we can start looking at what exclusives they have that might be worthwhile.
Infernal Monkey
Member
3D Movie Maker included with the system.
anexanhume
Member
A return to the OG Xbox with a bioware exclusive. Some other amazing new IP. Probably not going to happen.
DreadPirateRoberts
Member
A pretty big price advantage would probably let them pull it off (like, $100+ less than the PS4, and new release games at like $30-$40) but i'd be shocked if that happened.
HigherLevel
Member
Allow used games just like they are now
Don't require any kind of connection to play games that don't need it
Don't require any kind of connection to play games that don't need it
I don't get excited about 60$ games on sale for 40$
I never got to play Crackdown or Viva Pinata, but i'm sure there are other games that do the same thing on other platforms.
I really don't understand this blind faith in MS dev teams to make these amazing games. If 343 can't make a halo game with a blank check, then how are these lesser team really going to cut it.
BlastProcessing
Member
Unless they drop their attitude of "anti consumerism", not very likely. This photo pretty much summarized what direction they're heading.
That's the face of a man not knowing what a game console is suppose to be about, and probably never touched a game in his life. Yet here he is....
Mattrick is an old school programer. He shipped his first game in 1982, which I am going to guess is before your time. You can criticize the man for many things, but he knows games.