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What is the 360's biggest mistake?
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I'd definitely go with the storage format. Next to that, no HDMI is very small potatoes, and I don't think the lack of a hard drive will be quite as big a deal with the casual consumer as it is to us (plus, the PS3 won't have one standard, either, so it's not like you can do any better with another console in that regard). But using only DVD could really impact PS3-Xbox 360 ports later on in the cycle, and even discourage some developers from doing 360 versions at all.
Riskbreaker
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123rl said:
2-D is still alive as indicated by Neo-Geo Battle Coliseum being released for the Xbox 360.
norinrad21
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Right now their biggest mistake is getting out there way too early, if anything history has thought us what the PS2 did to the DC. I think i can safely say the 360 is what the DC was to the PS2 a temporary annoyance.
dlobro1080
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I think they're launching too early. Sure, people will line up and initial sales will be great, but there's too much life left in the PS2 and Gamecube still has a new Zelda looming! I think PS3 and Revolution are in the best positions.
123rl said:I know this won't work and I'll be accused of being a fanboy or something, but I wanted to ask this from a purely technical point of view. I like the 360 so far, and I have one on order, but it seems to me that they're making big mistakes with it:
No Hard Drive
Using DVD instead of waiting for a higher capacity format
No HDMI/DVI for DRM material
Those are, IMO, the three biggest problems with the console. But how much of a problem are they going to be? Will the lack of a hard drive mean longer load times? Or will the increased ram mean less loading screens because more data can be streamed during gameplay? Will a 9Gb disc mean shorter games or the return of two disc (or more) games? It's this kind of information I'm looking for since it seems like the press aren't interested in this kind of thing
Any opinions (on either side of the fence) are welcome. Thanks
no hard drive? WHAT?
DVDs....hmmm...2 dvds if needed.
no HDMI....for WHAT? its the same as component pretty much as far as pic quality goes. why use HDMI if HD video isnt here or proven yet? waste like sony? NO.
"too early"...This gen started in 1998. too early my ass. I guess ps2 was too early when the ps1 was flying off the shelves and all it had was fantavision. look where it is now.
you can try to get as negative as you want on the hardware end but you cannot deny that when casual gamers see stuff like madden and nba2k6, 360 will fly. You think those gamers need a hard drive for their sports games? HA! 360 and mem card please.
General Zhaoyun
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Doc Savage
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The second SKU is definitley dumb especially when you consider the supposed ratio between the two.
Sure I would have liked the newer format optical drive but I imagine the price would be higher which people would still bitch about anyway. Time is a big factor, Microsoft had to be earlier than Sony if they want a bigger market share.
The HDD should have been standard from the get go. After hearing some developers are cutting features or not sure if they are going to support the HDD sucks especially when 80% of the systems pre-ordered are the bundled SKU. I imagine the developers/publishers will offer that extra content to the HDD owners as a Microtransaction and some of the nicer devs/pubs will have a free download.
Sure I would have liked the newer format optical drive but I imagine the price would be higher which people would still bitch about anyway. Time is a big factor, Microsoft had to be earlier than Sony if they want a bigger market share.
The HDD should have been standard from the get go. After hearing some developers are cutting features or not sure if they are going to support the HDD sucks especially when 80% of the systems pre-ordered are the bundled SKU. I imagine the developers/publishers will offer that extra content to the HDD owners as a Microtransaction and some of the nicer devs/pubs will have a free download.
General Zhaoyun
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PS3 is a lump of feces hidden inside your toilet under some bog roll.
Xbox 360 will rock on LIVE with webcams, more profile on people and smoother gameplay actions.
Xbox 360 will rock on LIVE with webcams, more profile on people and smoother gameplay actions.
Dr_Cogent said:Yeah, it's great for those who end up buying two or three memory cards (and thus spending more than the HD) when they could have just gotten the Premium Pack in the first place.
2 and 3? its a 64meg card isnt it? isnt ps2s 8? go to a casual ps2 gamers house and marvel at their EA games library. you dont need a hard drive for that. From our standpoint as the "hardcore" the HDless bundle looks dumb but the casuals will eat it up and be able to use the system just fine. MS knows exactly what they are doing. very smart move.
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Doc Savage
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I should also add that I fully expect Microsoft to introduce a newer version of the 360 with a HD-DVD drive about a year later. I guess publisher will release 2 versions of the game much like some do now on the PC. There will be a 3 disc DVD edition or a single HD-DVD version. Sure that will piss off the early adopters but who are they.. they are the hardcore gamers the casuals will not get on the wagon until 2nd or 3rd year anyway. Then Microsoft can continue to to have 2 SKU's for the different optical drives if they are stupid or just force everyone to buy the HD-DVD version by discontinuing the DVD version.
This seems unlikely as hell to me. I don't think there will ever be an HD-DVD version of the 360. If by some miracle there is, I think it's very doubtful that publishers would go to the trouble of making two SKUs for their games. More likely, the HD-DVD would be for movie playback, not for games.Doc Savage said:
If it is happening. Which I don't think it is.
General Zhaoyun
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i wonder how easy it will be to mod chip, i wonder if there will be heaps of bastard counter-measures to get past, and the fact that with my chip and h/d on my OG xbox i cant use xbox live
what the hell does 360 mean? It moves 360 degrees by remote control wow.
what the hell does 360 mean? It moves 360 degrees by remote control wow.
Its optical format edges out everything else as an error, but not right now. It is true, DVDs have not magically become obsolete, and the 360 won't be crippled by its DVD9 format upon its launch. But with every new format, from carts to CDs to GDs to DVDs, developers have been willing and able to have their games grow with the format, and intransignent choices have helped lead to console defections (Square from Nintendo to Sony and its PlayStation). Just because they have done what they could with the older format doesn't mean that they'll stick with it because it was good enough in the past. This problem won't become so apparent in November of 2005, but what happens two years from now, when the next console war will heat up? How are developers going to handle the format choices that come with the new consoles?
Scrow said:
Yeah that's a pretty big gamble for sure. I honestly think that really depends more on Sony's what, where, when, and how much than it does on what MS does cause their cards are out on the table and now Sony has to react. I don't think Sony will be ready for a Spring launch much less a worldwide simultaneous one which gives the 360 room to breathe. If they do I have a feeling their games will be just as rushed as 360's but they're smart enough to delay as there's little difference between Spring and Summer as far as sales potential goes, the Holiday 06 presence is key though. The hardware advantage pervcieved and visible is key though and if waiting a year gives Sony a monster that's bad news for MS.
On the other hand 360 will have potentially cheaper hardware and maybe a price drop ready for Sony. Not to mention more and cheaper software on shelves. I think the key thing though is that they got the ball rolling on titles early. Not to mention the snowball effect that will result from the numbers game and PR when they sell out this holiday and talk about how hot the 360 is and pat themselves on the back. With next gen games probably taking 3 years or more to be really knock you on your ass good getting an early start pays off later. It could even pay off when Sony shows up to the party and casuals can't tell the difference between Halo 3 shots and Killzone shots or what have you.
At this point I could care less about MS I know what they have to offer me and I'll pass for now. It's what Sony and Nintendo have up their sleeves that has me wondering.
johns all like
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i think the biggest mistake was trying to convince us that they put a lot of thought into it. They got some japanese artists to design the case. Ok. Awesome, it does look MUCH better IMO in terms of style. They made it faster, Ok, I think everyone figured that. It just doesn't seem like they pushed the envelope or conveyed that they did more than just fix the problems with the XBOX. Then they haven't addressed formats and I wish they had tried to make this thing a DVR as well. They've said that they learned but they haven't done anything but fix their mistakes. I'll wait till a price drop, HDDVD support, bigger harddrive etc. Wait, what exactly did they learn again?
CosmicGroinPull
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General Zhaoyun said:
please don't ban him, he makes shit threads better.
i think the early software -- largely developed on alpha kits, not representative of the hardware's capabilities, including a number of lazy ports from current-gen consoles -- could create the perception that the 360 is underpowered. and perceptions like that can be difficult to shake even when they aren't true.
MS biggest mistake is:
Reputation: Everytime I hear MS, my first thoughts are: crappy products, monopoly practices, lack of innovations, stolen ideas.
X360 introduced nothing new. Whereas Sony and Rev dare to innovate, MS chose to play it safe just as what they have done in the past, no innovation and just stole other people idea. As the biggest IT company in the past 20-25 years, MS NEVER INTRODUCED, NOT EVEN ONE, MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH IN the industry. They have been successfully in taking a back seat in innovations, let other people invent, then muscle their way in through their monopoly practices. That's why they are so big right now, monopoly practices.
Reputation: Everytime I hear MS, my first thoughts are: crappy products, monopoly practices, lack of innovations, stolen ideas.
X360 introduced nothing new. Whereas Sony and Rev dare to innovate, MS chose to play it safe just as what they have done in the past, no innovation and just stole other people idea. As the biggest IT company in the past 20-25 years, MS NEVER INTRODUCED, NOT EVEN ONE, MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH IN the industry. They have been successfully in taking a back seat in innovations, let other people invent, then muscle their way in through their monopoly practices. That's why they are so big right now, monopoly practices.
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Dr_Cogent said:
that didnt really work out for the gamecube. instead we got more compression on audio/video, and lower quality textures.
the same will probably happen with the 360.
Lunar Aura
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Dr_Cogent said:
UM...i think he's right. sports game save can't get that much bigger. come on now.
gamergirly
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jett said:
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General Zhaoyun said:
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