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What we know so far about the Nintendo NX with sources

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KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
Live streaming is not nearly as latency sensitive as gaming.

How is this for latency?

In instances where a game console utilizes resources from a remote supplemental computing device, the game console may couple to a supplemental computing device that is relatively "close" within a network. That is, the game console 102, or the coupled supplemental computing device 104, may identify other supplemental computing devices that have a threshold connection strength with the game console 102 or the supplemental computing device 104, or through which communications between the respective endpoints are less than a network latency threshold. By coupling to these devices, the techniques described herein limit the latency between the devices. The other supplemental computing devices could be within a relatively short distance (e.g. within the same household, building, or neighborhood) or could be some distance away. In some embodiments, the network distance can affect the types of functionality that the supplemental computing devices may provide. Network distance can be a measurement of latency between the game console and the respective supplemental computing device and/or the actual or estimated number of network hops between the console and the network computing device, for example. Thus in terms of network distance, a network computing device that is "close" has relatively low latency or hops, and one that is "far away" has relatively large latency or numbers of hops. Relatively close supplemental computing devices may be able to provide services at a nearly real-time speed (e.g. processing real-time graphics and sound effects), while relatively far away devices may only be able to provide asynchronous or supplementary support to the events occurring on the console (e.g. providing for weather effects in games, artificial intelligence (AI), etc.). In some cases the supplementary support provided by the supplemental computing devices could be based on a best-effort basis. For example, in a computer chess game, some amount of onboard AI may be possible on board the console to provide relatively quick analysis, but supplemental computing devices may perform additional AI analysis. If the additional analysis is not received from the supplemental computing devices within a threshold time, the console can use what is available to it (e.g. the analysis done by the console or by any supplemental computing device that has returned its respective AI analysis).

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1150086
 

E-phonk

Banned
Rösti;192732185 said:
I suggested a while ago to Emily Rogers that maybe we can get some leads on this from the "Nintendo Co., Ltd. - Mergers & Acquisitions (M&A), Partnerships & Alliances and Investment Report" by MarketLine, published in November last year: http://www.researchandmarkets.com/reports/2347125/nintendo_co_ltd_mergers_and_acquisitions#pos-0

The report costs €332.

So 33 people chipping in €10 in return for a big thread about Nintendo's acquisitions? We've done this before for the Media Create Whitebook last year.
 
it may also be a horse.

what are we supposed to do with such a vague comment? trash

Yep. But i bet it's going to remain this vague until E3. I doubt Nintendo will reveal anything really useful before that. The problem is we don't even know what the hell the NX really is, so yeah...it works with PC, Smartphone and maybe even PS4....sigh. We can't do shit with that. It's kind of reminding me of how Nintendo was so vague with that Wii U reveal, only showing the damn Gamepad and no console. Just how all that went.

This is much worse though. It's not even fun anymore, all these stupid ass rumours. But then again, there were plenty of rumours about Xbox One and PS4 too, way before they were announced. It always goes like that.
 

Fawk Nin

Member
Yep. But i bet it's going to remain this vague until E3. I doubt Nintendo will reveal anything really useful before that. The problem is we don't even know what the hell the NX really is, so yeah...it works with PC, Smartphone and maybe even PS4....sigh. We can't do shit with that. It's kind of reminding me of how Nintendo was so vague with that Wii U reveal, only showing the damn Gamepad and no console. Just how all that went.

This is much worse though. It's not even fun anymore, all these stupid ass rumours. But then again, there were plenty of rumours about Xbox One and PS4 too, way before they were announced. It always goes like that.

If they're targeting a 2016 release (which I hope) I think we need to hear something before E3. Around Feb-March.
 

Hermii

Member
What Im wondering is if tight NDAs are so effective at preventing leaking, then why doesn't every company use them? And why didn't Nintendo use them on Wii U?
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
If they're targeting a 2016 release (which I hope) I think we need to hear something before E3. Around Feb-March.

No, we don't. This does not "need" to happen.
 

Oersted

Member
What Im wondering is if tight NDAs are so effective at preventing leaking, then why doesn't every company use them? And why didn't Nintendo use them on Wii U?

Everyone uses them and they are more or less effective. I guess the difference with NX is, we are not totally sure what Nintendo wants to do. When a new Sony Playstation/ Microsoft Xbox/ Samsung Galaxy/ Apple IPad gets announced/prepared, we know pretty much what to expect, spec increases and added features. NX? Handheld, home console, something streaming or all of these things combined are seemingly possible.
 

Eddie Nash

Neo Member
No, they don't have to, but they should. Revealing the platform at E3 if they're planning to launch said platform this year is cutting it way too close.

Definitely. I'm thinking maybe they will release NX only next year. It's just a hunch. Nintendo has never been the kind to rush things. As Miyamoto once said about a Zelda game that was delayed (pretty much every Zelda game in existence delays):
"A bad game will always be bad, but a delayed game can end up being good."
 

Fawk Nin

Member
No, we don't. This does not "need" to happen.

When I say "I think we need to hear" I really mean the general consumer. Nintendo could announce it today and release it tomorrow and I would probably bite. Having said that, if the NX is as unique and different as Kimishima has been making out, then Nintendo should (in my opinion) at least get the concept out early in the year and then build up awareness throughout the year. The majority of the public haven't even heard of the WiiU, Nintendo definitely need to avoid that lack of awareness with the NX.
 

Scrawnton

Member
Definitely. I'm thinking maybe they will release NX only next year. It's just a hunch. Nintendo has never been the kind to rush things. As Miyamoto once said about a Zelda game that was delayed (pretty much every Zelda game in existence delays):
"A bad game will always be bad, but a delayed game can end up being good."

Nintendo takes time on software but they rush hardware out the door even if the software isn't there.
 

Scrawnton

Member
When I say "I think we need to hear" I really mean the general consumer. Nintendo could announce it today and release it tomorrow and I would probably bite. Having said that, if the NX is as unique and different as Kimishima has been making out, then Nintendo should (in my opinion) at least get the concept out early in the year and then build up awareness throughout the year. The majority of the public haven't even heard of the WiiU, Nintendo definitely need to avoid that lack of awareness with the NX.
It's not that the general public didn't hear about the Wii U, because they heard of it. The general public was just confused on what the Wii U was and that was entirely Nintendos fault. If NX carries in the Wii name, the same thing will happen again.
 

Oersted

Member
Nintendo takes time on software but they rush hardware out the door even if the software isn't there.

They can rush out both, like everyone else.

It's not that the general public didn't hear about the Wii U, because they heard of it. The general public was just confused on what the Wii U was and that was entirely Nintendos fault. If NX carries in the Wii name, the same thing will happen again.

I'm very close to a permban bet that it won't carry the Wii name. Not after everything Kimishima said.
 

openrob

Member
What Im wondering is if tight NDAs are so effective at preventing leaking, then why doesn't every company use them? And why didn't Nintendo use them on Wii U?

My guess is that the tighter the NDA, the harder it is to share information and discuss plans with 3rd parties or retailers for example.

Or maybe they are being more selective. But either way, it makes things harder and less efficient, but risky as more people that are in the know could leak info.
 

BY2K

Membero Americo
Do we really want Nintendo to try their hand with this kind of tech? Nintendo, the most backward company when it comes to online/network functionality?
 
So could this mean that NX is gonna be like a distribution platform kind of like Steam, where it works on PC's, but also has dedicated hardware SKU's? Or is there just going to be integration with PC's and smartphones, but the focus is on the dedicated hardware?

These rumors are killing me.
 

ElFly

Member

Logistics/supply chain management is a difficult proposal for every corporate entity. You want just enough stock to meet the demand, with the right amount left over for any sudden upticks and seasonality.

*crazy analysis*


shit that's interesting
 
So could this mean that NX is gonna be like a distribution platform kind of like Steam, where it works on PC's, but also has dedicated hardware SKU's? Or is there just going to be integration with PC's and smartphones, but the focus is on the dedicated hardware?

These rumors are killing me.

Im guessing the latter based on what little we know

Really want to know more...
 

KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
Do we really want Nintendo to try their hand with this kind of tech? Nintendo, the most backward company when it comes to online/network functionality?

There are two examples cited in the last pages where Nintendo (and NEED) have done quite extensive research in this area. They might not apply this in practice because whatever cultural issues they have in the company, but the knowledge seems to be there.

So could this mean that NX is gonna be like a distribution platform kind of like Steam, where it works on PC's, but also has dedicated hardware SKU's? Or is there just going to be integration with PC's and smartphones, but the focus is on the dedicated hardware?

These rumors are killing me.

Dedicated hardware is a given. That's practically the only sure thing we know about NX from official statements.
 

KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
My speculation (following the idea of cloud computing) is that NX range could include besides a console and a handheld also a kind of HTPC device (a in-house game streaming device) that can be cheap and works like described in the patent.
 

orioto

Good Art™
So.. if NX is basically a clever and innovative way for Nintendo to .. go third party. What will be the size of the meltdown on internet ?

When you think about it, doing it like Sega did could be bad. But doing it with a genius and modern business model could be real smart.

Sooo, NX was meant to be cheap and produced in super high quantity.. What if it's a controller, an usb controller + an account system that lets you play their game on anything. Seems kinda crazy..
 

geordiemp

Member
So.. if NX is basically a clever and innovative way for Nintendo to .. go third party. What will be the size of the meltdown on internet ?

When you think about it, doing it like Sega did could be bad. But doing it with a genius and modern business model could be real smart.

Sooo, NX was meant to be cheap and produced in super high quantity.. What if it's a controller, an usb controller + an account system that lets you play their game on anything. Seems kinda crazy..

That would be nuts, imagine a Nintendo portable that plugs into the supplemental device .....which is a PC, Ps4 or Xb1 that needs an app to run.

The crazy stuff is such fun to contemplate
 

Kimawolf

Member
Oh. Though I also have no idea who the person he's linking to is or what they would know or how they would know it.

Of course, an app that works on smart phones, pcs, and even competing consoles like the PS4 doesn't actually mean much.

Also this says "work with" not "work on"... so I have no idea. Turn your PS4 in a SCD?
Sounds like the SCD concept to me. The patent did say run on different hardware. And gave PC as an example.
 

BY2K

Membero Americo
That would be nuts, imagine a Nintendo portable that plugs into the supplemental device .....which is a PC, Ps4 or Xb1 that needs an app to run.

The crazy stuff is such fun to contemplate

That sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.
 

DungeonO

Member
I've been predicting a Playstation Now type service for a while.

1. Why does the New 3DS exist?
2. How are they going to be in 20 million homes in one year?
3. How will Wii U owners not be left behind?

1. Streaming service that requires the hardware and buttons New 3DS has. 3DS would be the portable NX player.
2. Ship a HDMI stick with a controller, charge $100.
3. Make Wii U hardware compatible, and Wii U software available to stream.

My bet is that the supplemental device is nothing more than an interface for Nintendo controllers. Wii Remotes, Wii U Gamepads, Wii U Pro Controllers, New 3DSes. Nintendo holds their controllers near and dear way more than their actual hardware. How many generations now has the hardware itself been an afterthought to the controller?
 

Xiao Hu

Member
I'm still in with the idea of NX also being a software platform. Having PC and mobile as additional distribution channels is lucrative in my opinion, especially with Nintendo's shrinking market share.
 

Pif

Banned
You guys need to calm down.

A nintendo streaming service that runs on a ps4? Just sit back and read that out loud to yourselves.
 

Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
Guys, just look at the OP: since the announcement, Nintendo clearly stated that NX is a game-specific HARDWARE. So, not a service to use on other devices.
 

geordiemp

Member
I'm still in with the idea of NX also being a software platform. Having PC and mobile as additional distribution channels is lucrative in my opinion, especially with Nintendo's shrinking market share.

It would also tie in well with the no leaks, as no special platform hardware would mean there is nothing hardware wise to leak.

This console release is certainly the most secretive and unknown quantity ever.
 
Dedicated hardware is a given. That's practically the only sure thing we know about NX from official statements.
Dedicated hardware is certainly a given, I agree. But like with Steam, it runs on any PC, but there's also dedicated hardware in the form of Steam Machines. The way I read the tweet, it came off as implying something similar to that.

Granted I don't think that's something Nintendo will DO, but that's way the I read the tweet.

Watch as the NX is basically Nintendo Netflix or something.
N etfli X
 

KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
Dedicated hardware is certainly a given, I agree. But like with Steam, it runs on any PC, but there's also dedicated hardware in the form of Steam Machines. The way I read the tweet, it came off as implying something similar to that.

Granted I don't think that's something Nintendo will DO, but that's way the I read the tweet.


N etfli X

First of all, I don't see Sony and Microsoft accepting Nintendo publishing software on their consoles as long as Nintendo is still a competitor in hardware. More so through some kind of subscription service. Secondly, the hardware is a disaster in the making without exclusives. And Steam machines are living examples for that.
 

orioto

Good Art™
No. There is already at least a game in development for it, so it must be a dedicated hardware. But having dedicated hardware doesn't exclude a streaming box.

Well i don't see a contradiction here. it can be a controller, that you need to play the game (so there is hardware) + the os. You would have games in development for it then..

Well at least it would fix every third party nintendo problem ever. They would have their hardware for their games, but people could play any other games to, on whatever is their main platform. What if Nintendo suddenly realized it was their optimal business model.

Anyway that's crazy all right, but what if :p
 

KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
Well i don't see a contradiction here. it can be a controller, that you need to play the game (so there is hardware) + the os. You would have games in development for it then..

Well at least it would fix every third party nintendo problem ever. They would have their hardware for their games, but people could play any other games to, on whatever is their main platform. What if Nintendo suddenly realized it was their optimal business model.

Anyway that's crazy all right, but what if :p

The OS would run on what?
 
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