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[Monumental]

Your obvious bias?

lol, Wesley Snipes calling me black.

Indies are great. Indies being used as a crutch when you don't really have good compelling stuff coming out in the near future is a problem. Microsoft has gotten shit for the past 2 years and so will Sony.

 

[Dunlop]

While true (I know you didn't reply to me) - there is no escaping Microsoft's vision of the future. They want to shape it instead of letting the consumer lead the way.

But consumers will always lead the way with their wallets

The PS3 you play today is in large part to them playing catch up to MS this gen. I personally doubt there would be a PS+ if not for LIVE, achievements, party chat or whatever

MS DD vision might have had some merits to consumers that would be emulated by Sony because they want to compete.

The problem is core gamers are an extremely conservative group that will cry change and yet are afraid of it

 

[Glorified G]

Your opinion. One that I do not share, as my X1 Day One Edition is paid in full, whereas I have no interest in buying a PS4 at all.

You assume that just because the PS4 is $100 less, that it will be the clear winner, but you fail to comprehend that people just may not like Sony as a company. The only Sony exclusive to even catch my eye is Uncharted, and I refuse to purchase another system solely for that franchise, after looking at the dust my Vita gathered until I finally decided to trade it to upgrade my OG 3DS to an XL.

Personally, I'm just done with Sony. Their recent "we care about the gamers" is nothing than pandering, offensive condescension, and stupid gamers are eating it up with a spoon.

lol, there is a lot of bitterness here. It's perfect console wars post. You could tell your very attached to your console of choice.

My case, GAF is not my home anymore, it is frustrating because I really enjoyed the forum.

On GAF your going to hear a lot of different opinions, a lot you're going to disagree with. It's not for everybody. I'm sure there are dedicated xbox forums out there with "Day One 2013" in everyone's avatar where you'll never here any criticisms at all. You'll probably find that more fitting

 

[Syphon Filter]

lol, Wesley Snipes calling me black.

Indies are great. Indies being used as a crutch when you don't really have good compelling stuff coming out in the near future is a problem. Microsoft has gotten shit for the past 2 years and so will Sony.

Isn't that contradicting? You mean indies aren't compelling?

 

[xxracerxx]

lol, Wesley Snipes calling me black.

Indies are great. Indies being used as a crutch when you don't really have good compelling stuff coming out in the near future is a problem. Microsoft has gotten shit for the past 2 years and so will Sony.

So all the small indie games are not compelling? What the fuck are you smoking?

Edit:

Isn't that contradicting? You mean indies aren't compelling?

Haha

My case, GAF is not my home anymore, it is frustrating because I really enjoyed the forum.

I am assuming you are an adult, yet you cannot take difference of opinions? If you really feel like GAF is no longer home, just give it a few months and come back early next year and hopefully things will have died down and there is enough praise for your preferred plastic box that plays the games you like (whether that be XBO, WiiU, PS4, or Ouya).

 

[Monumental]

On GAF your going to hear a lot of different opinions, a lot you're going to disagree with. It's not for everybody. I'm sure there are dedicated xbox forums out there with "Day One 2013" in everyone's avatar where you'll never here any criticisms at all. You'll probably find that more fitting

Yeah, because what he's lamenting is the discussion of varying opinions and not the barrage of negativity, drive by trolling, feigned outrage, and nonsensical memes in every Xbox thread. I'm sure it's not the latter. He's just an Xbox fanboy wanting to be surrounded by other Xbox fanboys.

Isn't that contradicting? You mean indies aren't compelling?

So all the small indie games are not compelling? What the fuck are you smoking?

Uhh yeah. In most cases, small budget projects with narrow focus and that are typically only good for a small time investment aren't as compelling as some the games with bigger budget, full narratives, fleshed out gameplay mechanics, and robust features.

Don't be dense and spin it as if all Indie games aren't compelling or can't be compelling. From what I've seen so far on the PS4 Indie front, I am interested in RIME (if they don't botch it like they did Deadlight) and N++.

 

[Dunlop]

On GAF your going to hear a lot of different opinions, a lot you're going to disagree with. It's not for everybody. I'm sure there are dedicated xbox forums out there with "Day One 2013" in everyone's avatar where you'll never here any criticisms at all. You'll probably find that more fitting

If you are bored one day, I want you to spend 5 minutes and look into random PS4 threads
Then spend another 5 minutes going into random XB1 threads

Tell me if you notice a difference in the tone of discussion, it is slightly more than "criticisms"

 

[xxracerxx]

Yeah, because what he's lamenting is the discussion of varying opinions and not the barrage of negativity, drive by trolling, feigned outrage, and nonsensical memes in every Xbox thread. I'm sure it's not the latter. He's just an Xbox fanboy wanting to be surrounded by other Xbox fanboys.

Console launch 101: Learn to fucking ignore it.

 

[Version 3.0]

Personally, I'm just done with Sony. Their recent "we care about the gamers" is nothing than pandering, offensive condescension, and stupid gamers are eating it up with a spoon.

I know Sony doesn't really care about me, but Microsoft obviously sees me as a fool who needs parting from his money - much like Sony did several years ago, but worse. And just like Sony, Microsoft needs to be taught that I, the customer, am always right, and that I'm not a brain-dead cash dispenser. Sony (re)learned that lesson, and I'm perfectly happy to have them kiss my ass with complete insincerity - as long as they're also getting nearly everything right in their new console design.

The only "stupid gamers" I see are those who believe Microsoft's current PR, which wants us to believe that we've passed on a ticket to the golden future of gaming by being too stupid to understand what they were trying to accomplish.

 

[ari]

So all the small indie games are not compelling? What the fuck are you smoking?

Thats not what he was saying.

 

[lethial]

I will get an Xbox One. Just not at launch, probably in the new year. I just need to see what happens for the few first months.

 

[Aquamarine]

I'm very glad the XBONE will be giving the PS4 / Wii U a healthy dose of competition in the Americas / Europe.

While I won't be purchasing one myself, competition in the entertainment sphere can only be good for the consumer.

 

[B.O.O.M]

Thats not what he was saying.

That's exactly what he is implying. The whole thing is a flawed argument. It's just embarrassing to watch

 

[xxracerxx]

Thats not what he was saying.

But he is saying that the indies are being a crutch because they are not compelling larger games. I am just saying that indies can be just as compelling as a full fledge title. I think Mark of the Ninja would be worth the price of the 360 alone. Hell I could use my 360 only for XBLA games and be happy as a clam.

 

[ari]

But he is saying that the indies are being a crutch because they are not compelling larger games. I am just saying that indies can be just as compelling as a full fledge title. I think Mark of the Ninja would be worth the price of the 360 alone. Hell I could use my 360 only for XBLA games and be happy as a clam.

He doesn't think so though. Which is a valid point.

That being said, it sounded like he said ps4 have a ton of indie games. Meh

 

[Monumental]

Thats not what he was saying.

That's exactly what he is implying. The whole thing is a flawed argument. It's just embarrassing to watch

What's embarassing is you're lack of reading comprehension and you're attempt at making my point seem black and white.

But he is saying that the indies are being a crutch because they are not compelling larger games. I am just saying that indies can be just as compelling as a full fledge title. I think Mark of the Ninja would be worth the price of the 360 alone. Hell I could use my 360 only for XBLA games and be happy as a clam.

There's a reason everyone doesn't go around boasting about the hundreds of Xbox Live Indie games that come out every year. A standout and compelling Indie game is an exception not the rule. But again, don't spin that as to mean that Indie games can't be compelling.

 

[Nealand Liquor]

I'd hate it if Sony pounded MS into the ground this gen, just like I'd hate the opposite. While competition is good, a close bloody fight going 12 rounds and ending in a decision is great.

 

[BadAss2961]

lol, Wesley Snipes calling me black.

Indies are great. Indies being used as a crutch when you don't really have good compelling stuff coming out in the near future is a problem. Microsoft has gotten shit for the past 2 years and so will Sony.

You'd have a point if indie games weren't one of the last reasons why people are crowning Sony over Microsoft right now.

And just talking about games -- inFamous, Killzone, and DriveClub are the most talked about PS4 titles on GAF at the moment. Indies are great, but they don't make or break a console. People that talked up XBLA were given shit because they would often use it to defend Microsoft's low and repetitive output of major exclusives.

 

[ari]

What's embarassing is you're lack of reading comprehension and you're attempt at making my point seem black and white.

There's a reason everyone doesn't go around boasting about the hundreds of Xbox Live Indie games that come out every year. A standout and compelling Indie game is an exception not the rule. But again, don't spin that as to mean that Indie games can't be compelling.

My bad monumental....:/

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

Yeah, because what he's lamenting is the discussion of varying opinions and not the barrage of negativity, drive by trolling, feigned outrage, and nonsensical memes in every WiiU thread.

FTFY

 

[RedSwirl]

Why would you whisper it?

http://www.tcm.com/mediaroom/video/294761/Gladiator-Movie-Clip-Let-Us-Whisper-Now.html

 

[Evolution_1ne]

Competition is always a good thing.

Sony didn't need MS or Nintendo to create and support the greatest game console of all time

OT: good for them

 

[Monumental]

You'd have a point if indie games weren't one of the last reasons why people are crowning Sony over Microsoft right now.

And just talking about games -- inFamous, Killzone, and DriveClub are the most talked about PS4 titles on GAF at the moment.

TitanFall, Forza 5, Dead Rising 3, Killer Instinct, Project Spark

I don't see what there is to "crown" Sony over Microsoft. The games in Microsoft's court are getting just as good o a buzz as Sony's games.

My bad monumental....:/

lol, I didn't mean you. I highlighted your post as someone who got it and contrasted with someone else who jumped to conclusions.

 

[IncandescentPrecept]

The X1 still has no chance of overtaking the PS4.

 

[xxracerxx]

FTFY

Time travel fix.:

Yeah, because what he's lamenting is the discussion of varying opinions and not the barrage of negativity, drive by trolling, feigned outrage, and nonsensical memes in every PS3 thread [circa 2007 to 2010]

 

[Cels]

if MS and PS4 come out neck and neck that can only be good for gamers

 

[Syphon Filter]

Yeah, because what he's lamenting is the discussion of varying opinions and not the barrage of negativity, drive by trolling, feigned outrage, and nonsensical memes in every Xbox thread. I'm sure it's not the latter. He's just an Xbox fanboy wanting to be surrounded by other Xbox fanboys.


Uhh yeah. In most cases, small budget projects with narrow focus and that are typically only good for a small time investment aren't as compelling as some the games with bigger budget, full narratives, fleshed out gameplay mechanics, and robust features.

Don't be dense and spin it as if all Indie games aren't compelling or can't be compelling. From what I've seen so far on the PS4 Indie front, I am interested in RIME (if they don't botch it like they did Deadlight) and N++.

Aren't Killzone,Driveclub,Knack that?

 

[Syphon Filter]

if MS and PS4 come out neck and neck that can only be good for gamers

Agree although i don't see it since MS always has issues worldwide.

 

[Monumental]

Trolls can be obnoxious as fuck and ruin legitimate discussion. Thanks for pointing it out guys. You're just proving his (and my) point. That trolling in certain threads is getting to an unbearable level.

Aren't Killzone,Driveclub,Knack that?

Yeah...and that's about it in my opinion. I see far more compelling stuff in Forza 5, Dead Rising 3, Killer Instinct, Project Spark, Crimson Dragon, Zoo Tycoon and even Ryse which is an extremely cool gladiator mode. What is hard to understand about my opinion that Sony has less compelling software coming out than Microsoft?

 

[Pop]

Well clearly X1 pre orders will sell out, since they control how many they put out there. Good for Microsoft for changing their policies but without Titan Fall I would feel very worried if I was Microsoft.

 

[xxracerxx]

Trolls can be obnoxious as fuck and ruin legitimate discussion. Thanks for pointing it out guys. You're just proving his (and my) point. That trolling in certain threads is getting to an unbearable level.

I think you are just being too uptight. I mean I was just reading the Capcom 30FPS thread and you called a guy out for an innocent quip which was clearly a joke.

If they make the zombies less rotten will that improve performance?

Perhaps save a few polygons by making sure every single zombie has 2+ limbs missing.
The other thing they could do is make it a little more post apocalyptic and smear the screen in dust and fog!

I could be a games designer!

Drop the condescending attitude. The slowdown are clearly a result of the amount of zombies they have on screen.

I mean seriously, there was no need to berate him on that.

 

[Syphon Filter]

Trolls can be obnoxious as fuck and ruin legitimate discussion. Thanks for pointing it out guys. You're just proving his (and my) point. That trolling in certain threads is getting to an unbearable level.


Yeah...and that's about it in my opinion. I see far more compelling stuff in Forza 5, Dead Rising 3, Killer Instinct, Project Spark, Crimson Dragon, Zoo Tycoon and even Ryse which is an extremely cool gladiator mode. What is hard to understand about my opinion that Sony has less compelling software coming out than Microsoft?

Nothing wrong with that,i could see someone preferring that lineup. How many titles are needed right away though. I doubt you have the time to play all of them right away.

 

[Rodelero]

I'm not really sure that they are. They've overturned a lot of policies in the last few months but I'm not convinced they've overturned the overall ethos which has turned me against them in the last five or so years.

Are they going to be a console, for core gamers like me, for the lifetime of the console? I doubt it. Even if they do, can they do that better than Sony given the relative qualities of their first party studios and franchises? I really, really doubt that.

Look at what Sony has put on the PS3 this year (and is continuing to), and what Microsoft has put out on the 360. It's not even a contest. In fact, it's a bit of a joke. I don't regret getting a 360, but I do resent that the console has been giving me less each and every year. Xbox One has some really big franchises in its lineup, but aside from Titanfall I'm not seeing a great deal of real quality. Just to pick on Forza 5 - no dynamic lighting, no day-night cycle, no weather, and drivatars? I'm just not seeing it. Big franchise, big name, great graphics, but other than graphics, I'm not seeing the big leap forward.

To be clear, I don't think Sony's exclusive retail titles are any better, if at all. The digital stuff, and the future, is what interests me most. My interest in the PS4 is about The Last of Us more than it is about Killzone: Shadowfall. If Microsoft had given more over the last few years, and hadn't closed studios I loved (Ensemble Studios), and hadn't stopped games that I loved (1vs100), I might be able to judge this purely on launch lineups.

 

[xxracerxx]

Nothing wrong with that,i could see someone preferring that lineup. How many titles are needed right away though. I doubt you have the time to play all of them right away.

The list some people are buying at launch scare the moths from my wallet.

 

[Gintoki313]

At first I thought Microsoft was going to fail even after changing their policies. After seeing their lineup though, I see it better then the PS4's and is more diverse. So I can see Microsoft and Sony going head to head because of Microsoft bringing their A game in the launch lineup.

I still can't decide whether I want an Xbone or a PS4. PS4 has that Japanese support, while Xbone has those delicious games. Decisions are tough for me during this time.

 

[BadAss2961]

TitanFall, Forza 5, Dead Rising 3, Killer Instinct

I don't see what there is to "crown" Sony over Microsoft. If anything, the games in Microsoft's court are getting far more positive buzz.

The power gap, the cheaper price, and a bunch of negative Xbox One vibes after E3 is what has Sony way over them right now. There's no denying that people like what they're seeing from the PS4, while the internet and even some of the press are shitting all over Microsoft and the XB1. There's reasons for that.

Titanfall is the only game on that list that has outstanding buzz btw, and informed gamers already know it's timed.

 

[The One and Done™]

Well it can stride its ass right out of my living room. Congrats.

 

[J-Rod]

I believe it would be the same shit if the companies were swapped, because the attitude and environment now is just like how I remembered it last go around. Things will eventually come around.

 

[xxracerxx]

I believe it would be the same shit if the companies were swapped, because the attitude and environment now is just like how I remembered it last go around. Things will eventually come around.

4reelz

 

[Monumental]

I mean seriously, there was no need to berate him on that.

I made a comment about Capcom should try to reduce the muber of zombies if it helps lock down the framerate and his response came off as mocking me for being an armchair developer.

Sometimes its hard to convey tone over the Internet so it clearly just an unfortunate example of that. It;s not like I went off on him. I told him to drop the attitude and explained my point. Now you're making a bigger deal of it for some reason which I do not know.

 

[Syphon Filter]

The power gap, the cheaper price, and a bunch of negative Xbox One vibes after E3 is what has Sony way over them right now. There's no denying that people like what they're seeing from the PS4, while the internet and even some of the press are shitting all over Microsoft and the XB1. There's reasons for that.

Titanfall is the only game on that list that has outstanding buzz btw, and informed gamers already know it's timed.

To be fair no one is going to wait for a late port,especially the mainstream. That is one thing i think will be an advantage for MS. They will be having these timed exclusives throughout the entire generation like this past gen that is about to end.

 

[B.O.O.M]

What's embarassing is you're lack of reading comprehension and you're attempt at making my point seem black and white.

I would pull up your past posts in the last few days and school you a bit but alas you got yourself banned.

 

[BadAss2961]

To be fair no one is going to wait for a late port,especially the mainstream. That is one thing i think will be an advantage for MS. They will be having these timed exclusives throughout the entire generation like this past gen that is about to end.

Maybe they will, but MS stopped springing for timed exclusives a few years into the 360 after they seemed content with their marketshare.

Titanfall is going to be big, no doubt. But I don't know if it'll be big enough to turn things around for XB1. It's probably gonna take a lot more, and Microsoft has proven to be a pretty good frontrunner, but I have doubts about them coming from behind.

 

[njean777]

To be fair no one is going to wait for a late port,especially the mainstream. That is one thing i think will be an advantage for MS. They will be having these timed exclusives throughout the entire generation like this past gen that is about to end.

That depends on which console sells more I would guess, if the PS4 outsells xbox one say 3:1 (doubtful, but could happen) then developers are not gonna go exclusive to the xbox unless MS puts out serious money. Even then, selling on both would net you more money then giving exclusivity to one console.

 

[RayMaker]

Phil spencer:

''PS4, the most powerful console ever made with the majority of its exclusives that could be done on your cell phone''

 

[Spectral Entity]

I hate that thinking. MS tried to f over every single gamer, and their path to success is to hope that the mainstream never finds out?

Unlike Sony, who had the same intentions but allowed MS to throw themselves under a bus so the PS4 could swoop in and say "HEY Y'ALL, WE'RE NOT LIKE THAT!"

Psh, please. Sony is more sneaky, and will backpedal with it totally flying under the radar. It's popular to hate Microsoft, though, so it's easy for people to point and scoff.

 

[xxracerxx]

Unlike Sony, who had the same intentions but allowed MS to throw themselves under a bus so the PS4 could swoop in and say "HEY Y'ALL, WE'RE NOT LIKE THAT!"

Psh, please. Sony is more sneaky, and will backpedal with it totally flying under the radar. It's popular to hate Microsoft, though, so it's easy for people to point and scoff.

Elaborate, please. And not the patent on disc based DRM please.

 

[hoos30]

Maybe they will, but MS stopped springing for timed exclusives a few years into the 360 after they seemed content with their marketshare.

Titanfall is going to be big, no doubt. But I don't know if it'll be big enough to turn things around for XB1. It's probably gonna take a lot more, and Microsoft has proven to be a pretty good frontrunner, but I have doubts about them coming from behind.

OG Xbox -> 360 is a pretty good example of MS coming from behind.

 

[Jomjom]

Hmm based on last gen this doesn't seem to hold true in the long run. It's really anybody's ball game at this point.

Yeah I agree price ultimately will not matter if we are talking about "winner" in terms of sales. PS3 outsold 360 pretty handedly if you consider it has had one year less of sales and was way more expensive.

 

[njean777]

Unlike Sony, who had the same intentions but allowed MS to throw themselves under a bus so the PS4 could swoop in and say "HEY Y'ALL, WE'RE NOT LIKE THAT!"

Psh, please. Sony is more sneaky, and will backpedal with it totally flying under the radar. It's popular to hate Microsoft, though, so it's easy for people to point and scoff.

Please show sources and elaborate.