Well when Sony does it i'll be just as outraged with them, but they didn't. I can't get outraged because you think they would have done the same thing. And frankly i don't know why you'd think that, Ms policies were console suicide, as you have witnessed. I couldn't imagine there would be a company in the world that would have such a ridiculous vision for a product, but MS proved me wrong. And sony threw them under the bus, that is a laughable statement. And it's really Sony's job to do so. And if you believe that then you also believe the ENTIRE GAME INDUSTRY threw them under the bus. All the third parties rallied against DRM and always connected once MS totally crucified themselves, as did many gamers (not you of course), and new outlets. So when the entire industry, the gaming press, and many gamers think something is wrong, maybe it is wrong? And maybe you should not defend wrongdoing?
Whisper it, but Xbox One is finding its stride [EUROGAMER]
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Well when Sony does it i'll be just as outraged with them, but they didn't. I can't get outraged because you think they would have done the same thing. And frankly i don't know why you'd think that, Ms policies were console suicide, as you have witnessed. I couldn't imagine there would be a company in the world that would have such a ridiculous vision for a product, but MS proved me wrong. And sony threw them under the bus, that is a laughable statement. And it's really Sony's job to do so. And if you believe that then you also believe the ENTIRE GAME INDUSTRY threw them under the bus. All the third parties rallied against DRM and always connected once MS totally crucified themselves, as did many gamers (not you of course), and new outlets. So when the entire industry, the gaming press, and many gamers think something is wrong, maybe it is wrong? And maybe you should not defend wrongdoing?
KoopaTheCasual
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Monumental
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Monumental banned, again. Why am I not surprised? Back on topic, while I don't think MS has done enough to close the gap in momentum between the XB1 and the PS4 (as even preorders have corroborated), they have come a long way since their disastrous reveal. If they continue at this rate, I think they might be able to get 50million lifetime sales of the XB1 (assuming they become competitive with their price), even with their focus narrowing down to the US and UK with features.
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Monumental banned, again. Why am I not surprised? Back on topic, while I don't think MS has done enough to close the gap in momentum between the XB1 and the PS4 (as even preorders have corroborated), they have come a long way since their disastrous reveal. If they continue at this rate, I think they might be able to get 50million lifetime sales of the XB1 (assuming they become competitive with their price), even with their focus narrowing down to the US and UK with features.
SHADES
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Sorry guys not having read the whole thread but did Eurogamer do a similar article where Sony were out right lead?
If not this kind of leans towards the pro MS feel of late IMO, why else claim "whisper it" like your quietly backing the underdog with that slim glimmer of hope?
I've no problem with the article just wish Eurogamer would stay on the fence like a good journo site should.
If not this kind of leans towards the pro MS feel of late IMO, why else claim "whisper it" like your quietly backing the underdog with that slim glimmer of hope?
I've no problem with the article just wish Eurogamer would stay on the fence like a good journo site should.
BadAss2961
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They built a foundation on Xbox, putting themselves in position to compete with the 360. But it still took the year headstart along with Sony's overconfidence to take over the US.
I'm not counting MS out, but I don't know how they'd respond to being in the same situation that Sony was.
Syphon Filter
Member
I wouldn't brush that patent off either though.
I am not brushing it off, but it didn't seem like it was ready for this console launch.
True enough. From an organizational perspective, MS has the reputation of being a slow, lumbering giant. Their 180 has been lightning fast by comparison. If they can keep that momentum up, not thru launch day but through the whole year, they'll probably be okay.
They made a shitload of mistakes at the beginning and are no longer making those mistakes. That's not the same as making good decisions, but I'm glad that the Xbone is releasing the way it is. With the DRM and Kinect requirements the way they were, it would do nothing but hurt the industry.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Anecdotal evidence and all, but my "not-so-gaming-savvy" friends still are under the impression that Xbox doesn't support used games and needs to be connected. First impressions stick much longer than anything else, and that's going to hurt the Xbox One in the first year. Also, being the "next Xbox" helps, but definitely doesn't carry the weight you think it does. Overused example, but Sony went from most dominant console of all time (PS2), to struggling just to make second place (PS3).
Sure, but not me, i know it happened. Do you know it happened? Does the fact that the uniformed are uninformed make things right? If you are personally profiting from xbox sales then i could understand your sentiment. Why would you care as long as you make money. As long as it makes you money why not screw over the consumer? But to a person profiting from xbox sales i know why you should care, because it won't make you money.
Betting your business on consumer ignorance, a risky move for sure. It may work, good luck.
BruiserBear
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You make some good points.
Does it matter at the end?
It does it me. Ans also are you banking xb1's success on ps4 unavailability and consumer ignorance? I've already spoken about the ignorance, but lack of ps4 availability will drive xb1 sales? Again laughable. Wii was pretty damn unavailable and it killed everything. Ps2 was pretty damn unavailable, i know, my friend was selling them for double their worth.
AgentP
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Because no one believes it. Manufactured PR and flip flopping does not make a stride, that requires vision, passionate people and a single message.
Glorified G
Member
That is $100 more then you were willing to spend in the first place. If anyone decides to be an early adopter and want an x1 or ps4 this early you probably REALLY want one and the wait wouldn't matter. It's the same with release dates. Whoever launches 2-3 weeks earlier than the other is not going to matter. People this early have long made up their minds.
kidhero1000
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In a bid to entice European gamers to put their money down on an Xbox One and pre-order the system before it launches this November, Microsoft is offering up a free copy of FIFA 14.
Saying how “that’s a robust promotion” to GameSpot when asked about the difference the offer could make at Christmas, Fergal Gara, VP & Managing Director at SCE UK and Ireland, turned the tables and talked about the PlayStation 4′s success so far:
We are not seeking to accelerate our pre-orders any further, to be honest. [PS4 pre-orders] are breathtakingly high as they are right now. We do not have a pre-order problem. We will remain focused on value, and there’s lots we can do around launch to make gamers feel looked after in a PS4 world.
Getting back on point, Gara echoed DR’s thoughts on how “you can buy a PS4 plus FIFA 14 at full whack for less, as I would understand it, than a free FIFA 14 with an Xbox One. We will continue to focus on great value for the gamer. There’s loads of instances on how that’s real today, whether that be the price of the PS4, or the fantastic content proposition that goes with PlayStation Plus.”
That “PS4 world” Gara mentioned above will begin on November 15th in the US and Canada before expanding to many other countries, including the UK, on November 29th. While he’s already discussed the UK representing a large portion of PS4 pre-orders already, Fergal continued that thought with GI.Biz, adding how “we’re talking unprecedented levels of pre-orders that we haven’t seen in 20 years in this business.”
Addressing Andrew House’s remarks about Microsoft during the gamescom Press Conference, Gara said, “Well, it’s a competitive market you know. We’re all competitive animals. We all come to work to do the best job we can by our gamers, but there is a part of that job that is about winning versus the competition. It’s nice to feel you’re ahead, it’s nice to feel that we’ve got a lot going for us, and of course Andy chose to put bit of a dig in there. All’s fair in love and war!”
Saying how “that’s a robust promotion” to GameSpot when asked about the difference the offer could make at Christmas, Fergal Gara, VP & Managing Director at SCE UK and Ireland, turned the tables and talked about the PlayStation 4′s success so far:
We are not seeking to accelerate our pre-orders any further, to be honest. [PS4 pre-orders] are breathtakingly high as they are right now. We do not have a pre-order problem. We will remain focused on value, and there’s lots we can do around launch to make gamers feel looked after in a PS4 world.
Getting back on point, Gara echoed DR’s thoughts on how “you can buy a PS4 plus FIFA 14 at full whack for less, as I would understand it, than a free FIFA 14 with an Xbox One. We will continue to focus on great value for the gamer. There’s loads of instances on how that’s real today, whether that be the price of the PS4, or the fantastic content proposition that goes with PlayStation Plus.”
That “PS4 world” Gara mentioned above will begin on November 15th in the US and Canada before expanding to many other countries, including the UK, on November 29th. While he’s already discussed the UK representing a large portion of PS4 pre-orders already, Fergal continued that thought with GI.Biz, adding how “we’re talking unprecedented levels of pre-orders that we haven’t seen in 20 years in this business.”
Addressing Andrew House’s remarks about Microsoft during the gamescom Press Conference, Gara said, “Well, it’s a competitive market you know. We’re all competitive animals. We all come to work to do the best job we can by our gamers, but there is a part of that job that is about winning versus the competition. It’s nice to feel you’re ahead, it’s nice to feel that we’ve got a lot going for us, and of course Andy chose to put bit of a dig in there. All’s fair in love and war!”
mingoguaya
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In my case, I already paid off my PS4, but after looking at the launch lineups for both consoles, I feel that the X1 lineup better fit my needs than the PS4 one. Actually, the only EXCLUSIVE game that has me very excited on PS4 is Rime. So, Im thinking about flipping my PS4 on ebay for a good profit, and use that profit to buy Xbox 1 and 2-3 games.
kidhero1000
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Who gives a sh*t what Microsoft's launch titles look like in comparison to the PS4's? Did you buy a console to play launch titles? If so, for the most part you could stick with the current machines. .
What is the 360 famous for, to this day? Halo, Halo, Halo, Gears of War, Gears of War, Gears of War, and having the largest Call of Duty community.
CONGRATULATIONS, Microsoft! Achievement unlocked: 5GP—Mediocrity.
I get the feeling this gen is going to be hard for you.
Get over yourself with your cocky biased statement.
The Living Tribunal
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Oh boy.
mingoguaya
Member
Well, seeing as I do want one of the two new consoles and one of the major differentiator is the launch EXCLUSIVES, you tend to go with the console that has the games that interest you the most. And most likely I will get both consoles eventually, but right now, to me, X1 has the launch titles that interest me.
its going to be real difficult for you to deal when you realize
1. the multiplatform games are better on the "other" system
2. MS continues their history of shifting more and more focus to Kinect based games
i'd like to see any sort of proof you have that "people just may not like Sony as a company." There is a VERY large generation of gamers that grew up with the PS2...arguably the greatest console ever created...
but see i think you've got it backwards...especially if youre going to limit yourself to choosing one of the two consoles at launch...
I assume that purchasing just one of the consoles means that either 1. you will never purchase the other, or 2. that you will at least wait for a price drop to purchase the other...
I think its safe to say that the MAJORITY of AAA titles are multiplatform...in that case, logic would say that the majority of games we as gamers will purchase over the course of a generation will be multiplatform...Now, with that being the case I want my multiplatform games to be as good as possible...well on consoles that looks to be the PS4...
the Xbone's exclusive titles will always be there...and I can play them at a later date...but i wouldn't want to put off the great multiplat titles because im waiting to get the more powerful console later...
id rather enjoy PS4's exclusives, along side the better multiplat games...and pick up an Xbone a little cheaper later on and i can focus on its exclusives...Ryse will be there to play next year...i will (painfully) skip Forza 5 and pick up Forza 6 next year...Halo should be ready by then...and anything else MS cooks up in the mean time....
but no way im gonna put off the multiplats, or play lesser versions simply because of a couple launch exclusives...that we most likely will look back on in 2-3 years and say "OMG i cant believe i thought that was a good game!"
kidhero1000
Banned
Competition, without it, well...Square-Enix is a perfect example of that.
In the game creation industry I think the biggest competition is itself.
Other industries produce things you need -- necessities of life. Or things just so convenient its hard to refuse.
Gaming is a luxury, so if a game is bad it's something you can pass over. Just because an other company games a great game doesn't mean you won't buy just one. You may buy both. Of course with a limited budget you may only get one for the time being, or perhaps at all, but others industries don't get that chance.
If you buy a pack of toilet paper and in the middle of your pack you find a new brand that ain't too shabby -- it's butting heads in quality with your preferred brand. You don't decide to buy both.
If two different companies can make great games they can both make that sale if their game is compelling enough.
kidhero1000
Banned
What
I mean, sure, the online check-in thing was definitely bad.
But how, and in what universe, could, say "so yeah, any game you buy, you can share with people on your family account," or "oh, we've figured out a way to let you install console games and play them without needing the discs," or "hey, this expensive peripheral is mandatory" bad?
They had one really bad thing. One kinda bad thing (reselling games requiring a code-deauthorization so people wouldn't abuse installs). And that's it. They fixed the bad thing fast. They killed two really good things (discless play and family sharing, though they're trying to bring it back) because of the kinda bad thing.
On top of this, they've done/are planning to do a TON of other stuff that's really cool--for instance, the whole "every X1 is going to be a devkit" thing, bringing back game sharing in the future, letting everyone on the same console use just one Gold account...
An online check is pretty bad, but I can hardly call anything else 'vile' or 'corrupting to the spirit of gaming.'
Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to go enter some Steam codes for games I won't be able to trade in.
Three statements I feel like responding to.
1. That's not Microsoft's current history at all. The short version is this: economic collapse in 2008 coupled with massive losses on the original Xbox and RROD debacle made MS think about backing out of gaming, so they battened down on reliable franchises and canceled the rest. Kinect became the fastest selling electronic device of all time, so MS greenlit games for that. Those games didn't do quite so well, so MS rethought priorities--both Ryse and Black Tusk's game ripped out Kinect and are no longer Kinect games, for instance. Microsoft didn't push any Kinect stuff with 343 for Halo afaik. Microsoft is absolutely not shifting more focus to Kinect-based games; they're moving away from Kinect-based games
2. I don't like Sony as a company. They're condescending and arrogant. They have been for years--I find things like Jack Tretton's Lollipop remark, the Kevin Butler campaign (despite its humor), and other stuff to be arrogant and irritating, and Sony went from a company I used to love (I wouldn't buy any electronic that wasn't Sony--I still have, and love, my awesome alarm/radio thing from a decade ago) to a company with an arrogance and attitude I just can't understand. I am the kind of proof you're looking for.
3. Some people are only interested in picking up one console at launch, like me. We'll get the rest later (some might not, but I'm a gadget guy--I've got to have 'em all), but not everyone feels the need to buy every console at launch, especially with Sony's underwhelming launch window.
Are you serious, dude? Really? LOL.
Sony's not that dumb to further drag down the PS brand into the mud right after the $600 debacle of the PS3. Also, Microsoft is the one who threw themselves under the bus; no one else did.
Tell me something, do you remember Sony's PS3 launch, the lineup and the price? They bungled that up in epically, and recovered incredibly well. What makes you think MS, especially with the speed at which they're adapting can't do this?
MS have a superior selection of titles at the moment, with more to come. I think ultimately after E3 2014 both companies will be at parity for their title range. This is just my opinion, but when I sit down in my living room after work I don't really want to play indie games unless they have something special to offer or I heard about it from a friend in some way (such as Brothers which recently released). I want to play something that I know is well constructed, fun, enjoyable and made by the best, MS just has that right now at for the next 6 months. Right now Sony's system looks almost bloated in indie titles, which is great, but I'm hoping it doesn't drown out their pedigree of finer titles (and they're damn good).
LEGEND0F117
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This is the greatest analogy ever!
I am considering canceling my PS4 preorder and going with the XBO. The exclusives announced so far interest me more. It's that simple. I like the controller and their style better. The only thing keeping me held on to my PS4 preorder is the fact that japanese games will be more prominent on PS4 and I don't want to give that up.So right now I am torn but I have a bit to think about.
Spectral Entity
Member
That's exactly what I said.
It's honestly gotten rather tiring of everyone acting like Sony is the be-all/end-all of consoles when they did as any good company would do: let the competition show their wares first then quickly make tweaks and such to improve on what folks saw.
Anyhoo:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06...aystation-4-camera-to-beat-microsoft-on-price
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/125430-PS4-Originally-499-Included-Camera-Peripheral
http://ps4daily.com/2013/06/sony-changed-playstation-4-drm-policy-after-xbox-one-outrage/
http://ps4daily.com/2013/06/sony-initially-wanted-to-ship-playstation-4-with-eye-report/
That's strange, the Xbox supported used games before the 180. Just had to be at participating retailers.
Still not weird because most people, even those who are always on top of the latest news, were confused about their policies before they changed them.
PsihoPerihelion
Member
The better approach to take is to wait a year until both consoles are out. Launch titles are key, but it's better to wait to see how things develop. I hope both companies get really aggressive this gen when it comes to pricing and software. Consumers will win at the end of the day.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
You know what I think, if things were as simple as a lot of folk make out MS would be as well pulling out the console race just now and leaving Sony too it.
They simply aren't, if being the cheapest most powerful console was the only thing that mattered why did anyone by a PS3 in the first 3 or 4 years? This was also during a time when a lot of people would say the 360 also had better games in every genre.
To me the XB1 at least till the end of 2014 has more marketability in 2 of the biggest individual game buying countries, money and the will to at least try and compete elsewhere.
I think Sony will sell more PS4s but I don't expect the massive gulf that some others wish to see.
They simply aren't, if being the cheapest most powerful console was the only thing that mattered why did anyone by a PS3 in the first 3 or 4 years? This was also during a time when a lot of people would say the 360 also had better games in every genre.
To me the XB1 at least till the end of 2014 has more marketability in 2 of the biggest individual game buying countries, money and the will to at least try and compete elsewhere.
I think Sony will sell more PS4s but I don't expect the massive gulf that some others wish to see.
I agree with the one comment in the article
""I suspect Xbox One is going to be a lot of people's primary platform after all." I agress but only in the US."
I'll probably pick one up a year or two later. But for now a PS4 , 3dsxl with monster hunter, and MAYBE i'll pick up an xbox 360 slim to play some good 360 games. May even get a VITA JUST FOR YS 4
""I suspect Xbox One is going to be a lot of people's primary platform after all." I agress but only in the US."
I'll probably pick one up a year or two later. But for now a PS4 , 3dsxl with monster hunter, and MAYBE i'll pick up an xbox 360 slim to play some good 360 games. May even get a VITA JUST FOR YS 4
cyberheater
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Well I guess MS have the option to drop Kinect and be more price competitive but I think by the time they are forced into making that decision it's likely that PS4 will have a significant initial market share and the momentum will be with Sony. MS will be playing catch up for the whole generation.
As soon as Sony announced their price point. MS should have immediately performed a 180 and brought out a Kinect-less SKU. I know they would have got a bit of a ribbing for doing that but one more 180 wouldn't have mattered in the long run.
Well it was half the price of the closest spec blu ray player...so that helped considerably, also for someone who wanted blu ray and wifi and HDMI i'm pretty sure it was cheaper than x360 hdmi edition with a wifi adapter and the hd-dvd drive.
Not to mention the previous generation was coming from 150million vs. 20 million player base rather than 75 million vs. 75 million.
The PS3 lost half of it's userbase, it was a failure from Sonys POV, what if XB1 loses half of its userbase and are down to 37 million?
Also, you say XB1 has more marketability in 2 of the biggest individual game buying countries, I hope you don't mean UK because it has 0 marketability now, it was slammed on TV and in the national newspapers. and i mean absolutely slammed for not playing used games and if you ask a lot of people in the UK, they'll tell you the XB1 doesn't play used games.
FairXchange
Member
That's exactly what I said.
It's honestly gotten rather tiring of everyone acting like Sony is the be-all/end-all of consoles when they did as any good company would do: let the competition show their wares first then quickly make tweaks and such to improve on what folks saw.
You're aware that Sony announced PS4 first, right?
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
I think it has more marketable games and tie ups in the UK and US for at least year one. I live in the UK and no one I know has a clue yet about either console yet.
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