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[OmegaSupreme]

Rachel Dolezal, a white woman who gained notoriety for claiming she identifies as Black, defends a TikTok star who says they "transitioned" races

Dolezal argued that cultural appropriation differs from "being authentically yourself" while speaking up for London, a British-born influencer.

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We talked about this a bit in the cringe thread but I thought we could discuss it some more.

How can this be a thing? This isn't some half Korean guy who wants to look more Korean. This is a white guy who loves BTS.

Will "transracial" be adopted by the LGBT community? God I hope not. Its beyond ludicrous. It has no basis in science. I support trans people. I support the lgbt community at large but this is something else.

 

[DeepBreath87]

Pretty stupid. He’s not Korean. He just a surgically altered approximation of stereotypical Korean features.

 

[oagboghi2]

If you do a surgery like this, and then start acting in a way that you believe is more representative of your new "race", isn't that basically blackface?

• London this week showed off surgically-enhanced "Korean" eyes and said they now go by the Korean name "Jimin."

Because a Korean can't have the name "Oli" right? How is this not seen as blatantly racist by woke peoples standard?

 

[OmegaSupreme]

If you do a surgery like this, and then start acting in a way that you believe is more representative of your new "race", isn't that basically blackface?

I'd say so.

 

[nush]

Will "transracial" be adopted by the LGBT community? God I hope not. Its beyond ludicrous. It has no basis in science. I support trans people. I support the lgbt community at large but this is something else.

It's a shame "T" has already been taken.

 

[dcll]

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Side note. When did korean pop music become a huge thing over here?

 

[CloudNull]

If you do a surgery like this, and then start acting in a way that you believe is more representative of your new "race", isn't that basically blackface?


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Seems to be the ultimate form of racism. Dude should be cancelled kek

 

[The Wheel of Fortune]

 

[Xenon]

When thoughts and feelings are truth anything is possible.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

When thoughts and feelings are truth anything is possible.

"Personal truth" "everything is valid"

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

If you can accept that a man who underwent surgery to become a woman is a woman, you should accept that this guy is now Korean.

Even better - if you can accept that a man who hasn’t undergone surgery but dresses like a woman is a woman, you should accept that this guy is Korean.

 

[Rock And Roll]

Side note. When did korean pop music become a huge thing over here?

When modern pop music became a bunch of sad sack shit. Pop music is at its best when it is fun and danceable, Kpop offers this; Billie Eilish, Alessia Cara and the like do not.

 

[triplestation]

kimchi has good nutrients

 

[GymWolf]

Can she prepare a good korean barbecue tho?!

 

[E-Cat]

Is this racial appropriation?

 

[T4rz4]

It goes beyond stupidity.

 

[GoldenEye Samurai]

 

[bender]

Can she prepare a good korean barbecue tho?!

Most likely not.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

If you can declare yourself a man or woman and ex machina become a man or woman, I can’t see how this is different tbh

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Will "transracial" be adopted by the LGBT? God I hope not. Its beyond ludicrous. It has no basis in science. I support trans people. I support the lgbt community at large but this is something else.

How is that different with me having to call a boy a girl because said boy ‘feels like it’ without undergoing any sort of surgery or even hormonal therapy?

The guy underwent surgery which is more than thousands of people labelling themselves as trans.

 

[GoldenEye Samurai]

I accept they as they are.

 

[KielCasto]

That looks like it hurt. And this is just depressing

"I identify with the Korean community. Maybe they will accept me more now because I have the look," London said in the video on June 29.

 

[dr_octagon]

British born, white guy. living in Korea, wanting to get citizenship and be involved in culture is not enough. he wants to surgically alter his appearance, still won't look Korean and physical appearance is likely to add to his mental health challenges.

"alright bruv, you wanna listen to sum kpop, i look like youse so don't make fun innit. it aint cultural appropriating, I'll fuck you up, I've seen Oldboy"

 

[Furlong]

So all of those old TV shows and movies where white actors 'yellowed up' are now acceptable again? Some good news at last.

 

[GoldenEye Samurai]

Let us rejoice!

 

[Scotty W]

 

[TheGrat1]

 

[T8SC]

You are worthless, Alec Baldwin.

 

[ManaByte]

 

[FunkMiller]

This really is no more or less ridiculous than a man growing his hair and self identifying as a woman.

 

[mortal]

If you can support transgender people or made-up genders, I don't see how this is any different.

It's more or less the same logic. He feels like he was born in the wrong body, and sees himself as being Korean.
It's all rather silly imo, but it is amusing seeing many on the left turn themselves into pretzels with their mental gymnastics
trying to justifying being in support of biological men that identity as women and vice versa (whether it's genuine or not) while dismissing this altogether.

 

[MastaKiiLA]

Yeah...that's not how that works. I've learned to accept trans as a gender. I'm fine with all of that. I'm not down with someone claiming to be a different race. I can't bleach my skin and claim to be white. Change your appearance because you admire Asians (which is just about the broadest term for a wide range of ethnicities and cultures), but don't bring that transracial bullshit. Ain't nobody got time for that.

 

[V1LÆM]

we're on transracial now?

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Yeah...that's not how that works. I've learned to accept trans as a gender. I'm fine with all of that. I'm not down with someone claiming to be a different race. I can't bleach my skin and claim to be white. Change your appearance because you admire Asians (which is just about the broadest term for a wide range of ethnicities and cultures), but don't bring that transracial bullshit. Ain't nobody got time for that.

Don’t be transracist.

 

[oagboghi2]

Yeah...that's not how that works. I've learned to accept trans as a gender. I'm fine with all of that. I'm not down with someone claiming to be a different race. I can't bleach my skin and claim to be white. Change your appearance because you admire Asians (which is just about the broadest term for a wide range of ethnicities and cultures), but don't bring that transracial bullshit. Ain't nobody got time for that.

Uhhh…Yes it is. As others have pointed out, his rationale is no different than a transgender.

interesting that race can’t be changed, but gender and sexuality is fluid

 

[Krappadizzle]

Can't even be surprised any more.

Is this racial approximation?

Fixed. And yes.

 

[mortal]

Yeah...that's not how that works. I've learned to accept trans as a gender. I'm fine with all of that. I'm not down with someone claiming to be a different race. I can't bleach my skin and claim to be white. Change your appearance because you admire Asians (which is just about the broadest term for a wide range of ethnicities and cultures), but don't bring that transracial bullshit. Ain't nobody got time for that.

How is this any different than a person being transgender? You can't even form a legitimate argument against it.
If this is bullshit then so is being transgender.

The funny thing is, this transracial thing probably has more "legitamcy" because people tend to have a certain percentage of another ethcity in their genes lol

 

[mansoor1980]

you can be trans racial without undergoing surgery

 

[Punished Miku]

I hear plastic surgery is popular in Korea.

 

[Ailynn]

 

[synchronicity]

I know it's easy to mock, but I don't have any problem with people doing whatever they want to their own bodies.

I think it's rooted in vanity and insecurity, and no amount of modelling "the clay" will fix what's broken (inside), but people are all searching for their own way and their own balm on their personal miseries.

 

[Birdo]

K-Pop stars try to look western by dying their hair blonde and wearing blue contact lenses.

So this is a white guy trying to look like a Korean trying to look like a white guy.

 

[dr_octagon]

 

[OmegaSupreme]

I know it's easy to mock, but I don't have any problem with people doing whatever they want to their own bodies.

I think it's rooted in vanity and insecurity, and no amount of modelling "the clay" will fix what's broken (inside), but people are all searching for their own way and their own balm on their personal miseries.

Gender dysphoria is a thing. Are we to accept racial dysphoria now? Theres a line imo and this jumps the hell over it.

 

[dr_octagon]

transracial, transable, transgenerational, transspecies

 

[mortal]

Are we to accept racial dysphoria now?

Who's to say it isn't?

This guy just spent thousands of dollars and undergone several surgeries. You don't think this is genuine dysphoria?
He's invested considerably more effort than someone who just wakes up one day and decides they are another gender with zero effort, but according to you they are valid but he isn't despite it being the same logic.
I'm trying to understand how you can accept one but not the other. There's a moral inconsistency here on your part.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Who's to say it isn't?

This guy just spent thousands of dollars and undergone several surgeries. You don't think this is genuine dysphoria?
He's invested considerably more effort than someone who just wakes up one day and decides they are another gender with zero effort, but according to you they are valid but he isn't despite it being the same logic.
I'm trying to understand how you can accept one but not the other. There's a moral inconsistency here on your part.

I dont think so. I have a line. What I feel is a reasonable one. I also don't support people who identify as animals. There's no science to back that up either. It's like the old joke of identifying as an Apache helicopter. Its get absurd after a point.

 

[a multicultural team of v]

Gender dysphoria is a thing. Are we to accept racial dysphoria now? Theres a line imo and this jumps the hell over it.

You sound like someone 20 years ago talking about trans.

 

[synchronicity]

Gender dysphoria is a thing. Are we to accept racial dysphoria now? Theres a line imo and this jumps the hell over it.

I allow everyone to be who they wish to be, and I give all the benefit of the doubt. I don't know another's awareness or sense of self, and so I give them the courtesy of expressing those things as they know them.

If no one is harmed, there is no need for concern or judgment imho. The human psyche and life itself can be complex. Personally, I find diversity (in all its forms - human and otherwise) to be endlessly engaging. I'm curious by nature though. I'm rarely, if ever, offended but ever-curious and interested in the fascinating play of life. Interesting people are interesting.