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Whitney Houston, Celine Dion, Mariah Carey...Beyonce?
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Kanye, Kanye, and Kanye.
Whores who lie about their bastard children's paternal father do not enter the trinity.
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If I had Zedd, Nicki, Jessie J, and Iggy Azalea on my tracks, you'd know about me too.
BEYONCE - 3.36 million sales worldwide
UNAPOLOGETIC - 4.1 million sales worldwide
Biggest song - Drunk in Love #2.
And that was the BIGGEST song from the album.
No impact. A force-fed flop.
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How do you explain the album sales?
Anecdotally, I'd like to add Beyonce has no radio presence whatsoever. Never hear any of her songs get played on the local pop station, except maybe on weekend mornings when they're doing early 2000s throwback and Crazy in Love gets played.
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It is a very specific slang you guys use.Kim K is old and busted; it was hilarious to see her desperate attempt at staying relevent with that cheesy 'nude' CQ shoot only to have the lauch completely sabotaged by The Fappening, which (against their will) jump started and catapulted the sex symbol status of JLaw and others in the mainstream mindset. Kim K is being moved to the back pages of gossip mags next to Paris Hilton and others.
Kim K is basically over and is starting go fade out. It's a shame to see how she ruined Kanye's image too. He's now seen as 'the husband of Kim K with a petulant manchild personality' and is not taken seriously anymore. He's like a joke character at this point.
A new generation of personalities like A. Grande and Jlaw are now taking over and pushing out awkward old aunts like Kim and her circus family. The brand name is becoming toxic
As for vocal range, Beyonce is rather terrible live and can't really reach the range of Celine Dion (while im not a fan, her live voice is perfect)
Also those 3 female singers in the first posts have fanbases that are much older than beyonce's, which is more aimed at young preteens and early teenagers.
Kim K is basically over and is starting go fade out. It's a shame to see how she ruined Kanye's image too. He's now seen as 'the husband of Kim K with a petulant manchild personality' and is not taken seriously anymore. He's like a joke character at this point.
A new generation of personalities like A. Grande and Jlaw are now taking over and pushing out awkward old aunts like Kim and her circus family. The brand name is becoming toxic
As for vocal range, Beyonce is rather terrible live and can't really reach the range of Celine Dion (while im not a fan, her live voice is perfect)
Also those 3 female singers in the first posts have fanbases that are much older than beyonce's, which is more aimed at young preteens and early teenagers.
Oh I was talking about vocal ability, yeah of course, Vandross was God, Lambert is out of this world, and Freddie has his place untouched. MJ has a great great voice and it's the icon of icons, but I could shuffle him if a good contender appeared.
Have you HEARD that man singing with Queen? He's amazing. I'm not a fan either, and his music is like super terrible, but his voice is the best of the pop male singers alive.
BEYONCÉ the album was never going to get much radio play. But I haven't been on a night out in the last year where they've played pop music and I haven't heard Drunk in Love. And the crowd goes wild for it too of course.
And of course dropping Crazy in Love into a setlist will get any crowd at all in the mood.
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I don't get how the numbers for an album that's over a year older is making a solid point? Is Beyonce supposed to look like a flop with millions of sales next to an album with less than 800k more sold over a year longer?
And this is silly because Rihanna isn't even being debated as part of the OP discussion. How does she factor in with how those other women are doing in sales? I don't get your point and again, you aren't showing any reason to back up the dismissing of Beyonce when in the past month it has been featured in the VMAs and an HBO special. Not everyone is dismissing it just because you feel like saying it.
LOL - what is this post but I love it.
Sis, we're not talking about Lotus and how it is the most unappreciated album of the decade.
Everyone Beyonce fan I've come across has either been self-sufficient educated women or lascivious homosexual men. Though I guess there are some teenagers that fall into those categories as well~
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Not you using this as a negative when the facts are.
Unapologetic November 19, 2012
BEYONCE December 13, 2013
To be near half of Rih sales in less than a year is impressive without a number one hit to help her.
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because he's a joke account who's gimmick is to hate beyonce.
Dead Man, the "you" in that parenthetical aside wasn't you.
You didn't answer my question about criteria!
Anyway, I think it depends on whether the singers you are listing need to have connected in time, Like, if we're going "1950s - early 1960s", then I'd be very pleased with Jackie Wilson, Roy Hamilton, and Elvis Presley. Or you could swap out one of those for The Platters' Tony Williams, or Andy Williams, or maybe someone else I'm not thinking of offhand. If you're going by the late 1970s - 80s, maybe Freddie Mercury, or Steve Perry, or Luther Vandross, or Michael Bolton (no, seriously), or Elton John. I don't really have a good grasp of when different metal singers were in their prime vocally and commercially, but people like Dickinson or Geoff Tate could be in the conversation, too. It feels like we have a dearth of talented, popular male singers these days. And I'm obviously glossing over other decades and dozens and dozens of talented male vocalists. It's hard without clarifying exactly when and what you mean.
You didn't answer my question about criteria!
Anyway, I think it depends on whether the singers you are listing need to have connected in time, Like, if we're going "1950s - early 1960s", then I'd be very pleased with Jackie Wilson, Roy Hamilton, and Elvis Presley. Or you could swap out one of those for The Platters' Tony Williams, or Andy Williams, or maybe someone else I'm not thinking of offhand. If you're going by the late 1970s - 80s, maybe Freddie Mercury, or Steve Perry, or Luther Vandross, or Michael Bolton (no, seriously), or Elton John. I don't really have a good grasp of when different metal singers were in their prime vocally and commercially, but people like Dickinson or Geoff Tate could be in the conversation, too. It feels like we have a dearth of talented, popular male singers these days. And I'm obviously glossing over other decades and dozens and dozens of talented male vocalists. It's hard without clarifying exactly when and what you mean.
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You stanned B'day, yes?
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Compared to?
My Everything - 1st Week 169,000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Everything_(Ariana_Grande_album)
Katy don't care - Prism - 1st week 286,000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prism_(Katy_Perry_album)
Ariana sure as hell didn't beat Beyoncé
You don't get it?
Unapologetic is an album released by an artist who is allegedly Beyonce's "inferior" and it went on to sell respectably.
Beyonce, even with a marketing BEHEMOTH behind her AND the hype of the surprise release, still couldn't outsell a Rihanna album. It's embarrassing. Beyonce pulled a rabbit out of a hat to get this album to sell, had the media at her beck and call, and supported the album with not one but TWO world tours, and she still couldn't outdo her juniors.
4.1 million for RIhanna at this point in her career is an undeniably achievement. She's a legend in the making.
3.6 million for Beyonce, after all she did for the hype, is a fucking embarrassment. No doubt about it. She should have been doing Adele numbers with all that hype.
I'm not even a Diana fan, but that video doesn't really prove anything. I'm sure if YT was a thing back then you could track down a video of Diana singing like she was having a solo in Sunday church choir.
Bey has a voice, but comparing her to Whitney and Mariah? Yeah, no. Especially when she can't even out sing Jennifer in Dreamgirls. Oh, but she tried. She tried.
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Dead Man, the "you" in that parenthetical aside wasn't you.
Well now I AM starting to question my reading ability!
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I know" Sorry! Going by this thread it would be "vocally super talented artists with decent to good international success".
I think going 80's and forward would be a good idea as 80's musical sense is still somewhat present on modern music and it can be argued it's still influencing new sounds. I certainly can't give you an exact criteria, and the examples from the OP aren't making it easier
So I dunnno, say what you please!And Happy Birthday :3
Oops.
I forgot I Am Changing. In contrast: So young but still so gifted. You can hear how she's matured since.
Watching Whitney always reminds me of people that say "it isn't always about perfect, technical singing. You have to know how to emote." But Whitney was a brilliant vocal technician and that in turn made her so capable to be so emotive. I remember an interview of hers where she explains asking her mom as a child that she wants to sing like the greats and her mom said, "You practice until you're as good as or better than them."
AyaisMUsikWhore
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You are comparing Altos against Sopranos. Do you not know how vocals work? Of course Bey couldn't outsing Mariah and Jhud. She doesn't have the range. However as a Soprano, she is the best of this generation, that can sit well next to Whitney. Obviously she can't outsing Whitney because being a vocal partner, Whitney has more range - however she makes up for her lack of range with techniques to florish her that than to do a Christina and sing way above it.
The only thing she does is be Beyoncé and stay in her lane using her voice in unique ways that basic singers do not know how to do. No one can breathe, has perfect resonance and control like Beyoncé. You are seriously underestimating her talents by comparing her to singers who are simply not her range. Mariah and Whitney can be compared all day. Beyonce could not. That's why this comparison makes no sense and only further degrade what otherwise is the best voice in a long time in popular music since Whitney.
Diana Ross is a great vocalist of her time but she has no power... Beyonce can belt power into her voice and work with her range better than Diana will ever be able to be.
I seriously think if she wasn't apart of DC, people would take her more serious as a vocalist than a lead singer of a group.
That was a great performance.
But Celine had restraint and showed mercy for Bey, tho
That was a great performance.
But Celine had restraint and showed mercy for Bey, tho
Celine showed class and restraint in that performance. A true Queen.
Beyonce was as sloppy and thirsty as me in the gym locker room. Not a good look at all.
That was a great performance.
But Celine had restraint and showed mercy for Bey, tho
People need to stop paying my posts dust. Listen to these:
1+1 (Backstage)
Listen (Live)
Yep. Bey sounded a little but like a try-hardThat was a great performance.
But Celine had restraint and showed mercy for Bey, tho
Still, what an amazing,amazing voice. She just needs better composers.
urgh no.
Some sense in this madness, thank you.
I don't get half of it. T_T
But if you discuss album sales and youtube views like NPD threads then it suddenly makes so much sense.
And I'm having a wine in your name Mumei, happy birthday!
Call me old I think Barry White is somewhere in there.
But the true list:
- Freddie
- Robert Halford
- Lesser mortals
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rihanna and beyonce my queens
ariana grande aint shit tho i tell you what.
ariana grande aint shit tho i tell you what.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Yep. Bey sounded a little but like a try-hard
Still, what an amazing,amazing voice. She just needs better composers.
Wow.... Her singing a song and feeling it means she's trying hard. The reach to just admit that she actually is a great vocalist. Lol
3phemeral: Yeah, I really don't like that performance. Amazing what difference a year makes in polishing up a performance, though.
Ahasverus: Well, I like everyone I listed!
mantidor: Thanks! It was technically Saturday, but whatever.
... Aya, wait. Time out.
Mariah is a soprano. So is Jennifer Hudson. They're different kinds of soprano, but they're still in the same overall category. Beyoncé is a mezzo-soprano, but this makes little difference in terms of her vocal range in popular music, which almost entirely overlaps with the range that Mariah or JHud do most of their singing in. Beyoncé actually has a larger connected range than either Mariah or Jennifer Hudson, even if Mariah's range with whistle register (which is a disconnected register) is larger. I don't know where you've gotten this idea that Beyoncé needs to make up for her lack of range by doing other things or that she can't be compared; she has a solid three and a half octaves of connected range.
Ahasverus: Well, I like everyone I listed!
mantidor: Thanks! It was technically Saturday, but whatever.
... Aya, wait. Time out.
Mariah is a soprano. So is Jennifer Hudson. They're different kinds of soprano, but they're still in the same overall category. Beyoncé is a mezzo-soprano, but this makes little difference in terms of her vocal range in popular music, which almost entirely overlaps with the range that Mariah or JHud do most of their singing in. Beyoncé actually has a larger connected range than either Mariah or Jennifer Hudson, even if Mariah's range with whistle register (which is a disconnected register) is larger. I don't know where you've gotten this idea that Beyoncé needs to make up for her lack of range by doing other things or that she can't be compared; she has a solid three and a half octaves of connected range.
It's certainly subjective, but I have to honestly agree about that. That performance felt more showboat theatrics than anything else, but she has been capable of showing more than just vocal pyrotechnics.
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I disagree, what she was doing is way more impressive to me. Both notes sounded like vocal notes, unlike your example where it is creating a strange nasal/whistling harmonic note on top of a single vocal note. Her technique sounds genuinely like two normal vocal notes (albeit a bit breathy) at the same time. And she was creating chords in tune with the band, unlike your example which is unaccompanied and therefore has more flexibility in terms of being able to fish around for a tone where the harmonics work best.
She's got talent. Watch this live performance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq8tK1rGpog
But her newest album is meh. Not a single catchy melody to be found.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq8tK1rGpog
But her newest album is meh. Not a single catchy melody to be found.
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Beyonce is overrated garbage, tbh
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