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Who wants to know how to do Cocky and Funny?
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McLesterolBeast
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To me, it's pretty obvious that you're making a concerted effort to be witty. It reeks of desparation more than it does confidence. The biggest problem is that nothing you said was funny or clever, despite the fact that you seem to be trying so hard. I dont doubt it works for you though. There're a lot of socially inept girls out there who're quite attractive. When i say socially inept, i don't mean that they're losers, just that they dont quite "get" the art of conversation.
I've spoken to girls online who make those types of desparate attempts at humour. I usually come back at them being cocky and insulting. Then again, im a bit of a sadist when it comes to crushing others' feelings. I sometimes think
I've spoken to girls online who make those types of desparate attempts at humour. I usually come back at them being cocky and insulting. Then again, im a bit of a sadist when it comes to crushing others' feelings. I sometimes think
...Copernicus was threatened because his heliocentric view conflicted with church teachings. Oh, and it was based on movement of the stars and planets, not exactly "self-evident".Cubsfan23 said:
People who are wrong are ridiculed as well, so using it to argue a point is highly specious
McLesterolBeast
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There are instances where valid truth's are ridiculed.
This is not one of those instances.
You aren't suggesting the world is round to a group of pro-flat sensationalists. You're the local drunk who's sprawled out on the local bar room floor theorizing about the earth being a giant penis. Naturally, there're a few drunks who find this self evident.
This is not one of those instances.
You aren't suggesting the world is round to a group of pro-flat sensationalists. You're the local drunk who's sprawled out on the local bar room floor theorizing about the earth being a giant penis. Naturally, there're a few drunks who find this self evident.
enjoy bell woods
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This thread should've been locked after the first post. The only sort of response this thread deserves is ridicule.
Date of Lies
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The world is not ready for C+F.
Maxwell House
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If Cocky and Funny works so well for you, why are you trying to hook up with anonymous online girls instead of displaying your wit at your local drinking hole? I am not sure I believe you have as much success with the ladies in real life as you purport to, especially after reading that chat log.
JackFrost2012
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C+F works to get a certain type of girl.
C+F does NOT work on all girls.
If you want a certain type of girl, then you should use it.
If you want a girl who isn't impressed by forced "humor" and obvious desperation, then you shouldn't.
If you're absolutely desperate to get a girl, C+F will get you one. So will paying a whore. I consider both methods to be fairly fucking degrading.
C+F does NOT work on all girls.
If you want a certain type of girl, then you should use it.
If you want a girl who isn't impressed by forced "humor" and obvious desperation, then you shouldn't.
If you're absolutely desperate to get a girl, C+F will get you one. So will paying a whore. I consider both methods to be fairly fucking degrading.
JackFrost2012 said:
In other news, JackFrost recently joined the priesthood.
Cocky funny is a double edge sword. It is basically laying all your cards on the table, but they are good cards. It is a full house of "Im in this for sex" over "Forced personality". These cards obviously work, but I dont use them because I find that actually being yourself attracts people who are actually attracted to you. Whether cocky funny is degrading primarily depends on your view of casual sex.
OpinionatedCyborg
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I've acted cocky and funny in the past, not because I read some newsletter for the socially retarded, but because I felt like screwing around with people. Invariably, the girls are amused shortly before they grow bored with what is essentially a one sided egotistical conversation. It's one thing to be funny and pretend to be cocky, but if you're actually being cocky, most girls won't dig that as you come off as a narcisstic jackass.
This thread is a fucking goldmine! :lol First, the absolutely cringe-worthy chat-log, then the photoshops, then the rationalizations (Carl Jung! :lol), and some other stuff in between. I like. 
:lol *snorts*
I think cocky & funny, while actually onto the right idea, is too narrow in its breadth. I think it's basically stating the obvious - girls like guys who're confident and take initiatives, and if you want to keep a a girl, you have to work to keep her attention. Duh. This doesn't mean you have to degrade yourself with all sorts of cheesy-dom under the pretense of being 'cocky and/or funny'. Blah to that, I say.
Cubsfan referencing Jung-- what's the world coming to?
:lol *snorts*
I think cocky & funny, while actually onto the right idea, is too narrow in its breadth. I think it's basically stating the obvious - girls like guys who're confident and take initiatives, and if you want to keep a a girl, you have to work to keep her attention. Duh. This doesn't mean you have to degrade yourself with all sorts of cheesy-dom under the pretense of being 'cocky and/or funny'. Blah to that, I say.
What is this bullshit? This would have never worked on my gf, because, you know, she's intelligent. I believe quite a number of girls are intelligent. Cubsfan is destined to be stuck in casual short-term relationships while giving out 'dating advice' to make himself feel better.
I think people are making too much of the words cocky and funny. It's become a catchphrase around here, a GAF joke, a gimmick used to pick up women. But there is truth behind it. Most women will tell you that confidence and a good sense of humour are very attractive qualities in a man. This isn't some deeply guarded secret or anything, it should be considered common knowledge (at least for those that actually listen to what women are saying).
Now this doesn't mean that you have to act like a corny dickhead to get a womens attention. But being shy and boring definitely aint gonna help your case either. If you're shy, you better be an attractive motherfucker cause that's usually the only way shy guys get play. If you don't have the confidence in yourself and what you have to offer you'll need a pretty face, diesel body or a combination of the two so that the women will be more than willing to do most of the work for you.
And if you're boring I hope you're a very sweet, giving person with a large bank account backing you and you can throw the dick down like no other. Those are pretty much the only things that'll keep a women interested in you otherwise. I don't care how intelligent you are, if you can't spice up a convo with a little humour, she will lose interest. A sharp wit can be the grand equalizer for guys that aren't as visually appealing as others. I've seen some pure dimes going out with the most unlikely cats just because, in their words, "he's able to make me laugh".
And as for being yourself, that's almost as cliche as cocky & funny has become around here. You can be yourself all you want, but if you aint man enough to step to a woman and let them know who that is, then you're gonna be yourself, by yourself, for a loooooooooong time. You have to believe you have something worthwhile to offer a women, and approach any women you're interested in with that belief. That's what being "cocky" (or at least as far as cubsfan is trying to sell it) truly means. It's not about putting on some kind of a front, it's about knowing that you bring something to the table and not being afraid to put it out there.
My 2 cents
Now this doesn't mean that you have to act like a corny dickhead to get a womens attention. But being shy and boring definitely aint gonna help your case either. If you're shy, you better be an attractive motherfucker cause that's usually the only way shy guys get play. If you don't have the confidence in yourself and what you have to offer you'll need a pretty face, diesel body or a combination of the two so that the women will be more than willing to do most of the work for you.
And if you're boring I hope you're a very sweet, giving person with a large bank account backing you and you can throw the dick down like no other. Those are pretty much the only things that'll keep a women interested in you otherwise. I don't care how intelligent you are, if you can't spice up a convo with a little humour, she will lose interest. A sharp wit can be the grand equalizer for guys that aren't as visually appealing as others. I've seen some pure dimes going out with the most unlikely cats just because, in their words, "he's able to make me laugh".
And as for being yourself, that's almost as cliche as cocky & funny has become around here. You can be yourself all you want, but if you aint man enough to step to a woman and let them know who that is, then you're gonna be yourself, by yourself, for a loooooooooong time. You have to believe you have something worthwhile to offer a women, and approach any women you're interested in with that belief. That's what being "cocky" (or at least as far as cubsfan is trying to sell it) truly means. It's not about putting on some kind of a front, it's about knowing that you bring something to the table and not being afraid to put it out there.
My 2 cents
bigfurb said:
It is, and you'll note that no one here has disputed *that*. It's a catch phrase because it is presented in a particular way by cubsfan and those lame ass newsletters he used to post, and the phrase cocky and funny describes the method presented in the chat log at the beginning of this thread. That is, VERY VERY corny and lame. The original newsletters were no better.
Basically, there's a very good reason people react as they do to cubsfan's threads.
Even before reading all of this, my friends and I used to have a theory for picking up women in bars which we called the "CH&A Theory".
It's basically a less cheesy version of C&F and we found that if you combine confidence (not over the top cockiness), humour and anticipation, you'll have girls weak at the knees while not looking like a tool to everyone else.
C&F definitely works but as people have said, after a fling turns into something more serious, the over-the-top nature of C&F becomes annoying while a toned-down approach (using the same principles) works wonders.
Edit: well said bigfurb
It's basically a less cheesy version of C&F and we found that if you combine confidence (not over the top cockiness), humour and anticipation, you'll have girls weak at the knees while not looking like a tool to everyone else.
C&F definitely works but as people have said, after a fling turns into something more serious, the over-the-top nature of C&F becomes annoying while a toned-down approach (using the same principles) works wonders.
Edit: well said bigfurb
Instigator
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Cubsfan23 said:
:lol
How did I miss that? Why not use a more divine adage to defend yourself?
"a prophet has no honor in his own country"
Gospel of Luke.
Escape Goat
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Where the fuck did this thread GO?
Litigation Manuel
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I guess I'd rather not rely on a gimmick to attract a girl. And when a relationship begins, I'd rather they not notice some change in personality as I stop relying on an act and act who I really am. Maybe c&f can attact intelligent girls, but I'd rather attract girls who I feel demand some honesty, which I would think is most. It can attract girls, but for a long term relationship you need to act yourself, and as long as who you are is different from an act, it won't work.Date of Lies said:
Plus, I think we're all missing the big issue here: don't pee in the shower. Now that's a method that has been proven to work, like, 200% of the time. Maybe even 201%.
IAmtheFMan
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Wow, this whole debate is laughable. Cubsfan, I appreciate what you try to do in that you're trying to help guys that have low to shattered self-confidences gain the confidence they need to get the girl they want, instead of staying at home on Saturday watching "Walker, Texas Ranger." That part, I admire of you.
However, when you try to break it down into an exact formula, saying "this is what you do, this is how you do it... follow the ingredients put it in the oven for 20 minutes and voila! hot sex," that's where it just starts to get ridiculous. The CF mentality works, but it's not a universal principle, like that Schopenhauer quote that you threw out, because, quite simple, it's not a truth. It works, yes, it attracts a specific range of girl, yes, but it again is not a truth because quite simply psychology and sociological interaction (this is coming from a biopsych major with a minor in soc) is not FACT, it is not an exact science. You quoted Schopenhauer saying that truths are ridiculed, and doubted but then are accepted, but then cited Carl friggin' Jung on something else, totally neglecting the fact that Jung stated that when it comes to the human psyche, and psychological interaction, there's no such thing as an experimental EXACT science, i.e. you can't boil down social interaction to this bare minimum of "self-assured, teasing gets you laid the vast majority of the time with a p<.05." Hell, when it comes to psychology, you can't do that about really ANYTHING that isn't biologically oriented. Maybe, sometime waaaaaaaay down we'll start to dissect the scientific qualities of psychology, (what they're doing right now, is honestly just kinda poking in the dark, despite the methodology) but that's still a long way off.
Look, I'm not saying that it doesn't work; it does. But like Socreges said earlier in the thread, to try and distill some sort of formula from it, removing spontaneity and authenticity from the interaction is not admirable. A change in self-confidence, yes that could help a person in the long run, as opposed to somebody practicing in the mirror Taxi-Driver style repeating "I know you want to come home with me, but I'm busy baby" with different inflections of the words in the sentence.
However, when you try to break it down into an exact formula, saying "this is what you do, this is how you do it... follow the ingredients put it in the oven for 20 minutes and voila! hot sex," that's where it just starts to get ridiculous. The CF mentality works, but it's not a universal principle, like that Schopenhauer quote that you threw out, because, quite simple, it's not a truth. It works, yes, it attracts a specific range of girl, yes, but it again is not a truth because quite simply psychology and sociological interaction (this is coming from a biopsych major with a minor in soc) is not FACT, it is not an exact science. You quoted Schopenhauer saying that truths are ridiculed, and doubted but then are accepted, but then cited Carl friggin' Jung on something else, totally neglecting the fact that Jung stated that when it comes to the human psyche, and psychological interaction, there's no such thing as an experimental EXACT science, i.e. you can't boil down social interaction to this bare minimum of "self-assured, teasing gets you laid the vast majority of the time with a p<.05." Hell, when it comes to psychology, you can't do that about really ANYTHING that isn't biologically oriented. Maybe, sometime waaaaaaaay down we'll start to dissect the scientific qualities of psychology, (what they're doing right now, is honestly just kinda poking in the dark, despite the methodology) but that's still a long way off.
Look, I'm not saying that it doesn't work; it does. But like Socreges said earlier in the thread, to try and distill some sort of formula from it, removing spontaneity and authenticity from the interaction is not admirable. A change in self-confidence, yes that could help a person in the long run, as opposed to somebody practicing in the mirror Taxi-Driver style repeating "I know you want to come home with me, but I'm busy baby" with different inflections of the words in the sentence.
Wow, I can't believe how revered and feared the Cocky and Funny routine is here. Yes it can work it's very textbook and generic but it does work for its fair share. You guys that act like it's evil and wrong are just lost out there in left field somewhere.
The original post is not Cocky or Funny thats just the mating ritual of two freaks in the freak kingdom.
Also Cocky and Funny has a very limited life span. That shit only works on a girl a few times then they become imune. It's the retards out there that never try anything else that really look like fools.
So rule of thumb if the girl looks shy or is rather young and your routine is rather sparce go with cocky and funny. If the girl looks like she has some skill and probable has a lot of men after her, forget Cocky and Funny she has heard that shit before.
The original post is not Cocky or Funny thats just the mating ritual of two freaks in the freak kingdom.
Also Cocky and Funny has a very limited life span. That shit only works on a girl a few times then they become imune. It's the retards out there that never try anything else that really look like fools.
So rule of thumb if the girl looks shy or is rather young and your routine is rather sparce go with cocky and funny. If the girl looks like she has some skill and probable has a lot of men after her, forget Cocky and Funny she has heard that shit before.
Date of Lies
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C+F isn't a formula. It isn't a shortcut to success. C+F takes time and effort to be good with it. And yes, when you start out, you might sound lame. But after a while, if you stick with it and understand how these things work (because it's actually more than just C+F, go read the book), you will get better and eventually become extremely natural with being C+F, so much that it's not being an act, it's become part of you.
When I started doing C+F, I had limited success but I recognized it around me. I recognized that all the guys who had girls chasing them and always talking about them had a very recognizable similarity in their character WHILE being completely different one from the other. That's the thing abot cocky and funny, you mold it to fit your style and your type humor. C+F is all up to you, if you didn't like Cubsfan's jokes, fine, you can do your own jokes. Cubsfan jokes were universal and easy to understand, it's why they work better than the time you busted screaming "FHUTA."
You say you want a girl that is "intelligent." What is "intelligence"? Good grades? Cultural knowledge? Obviously you think that if a girl laughs at corny jokes, that makes her a dumbass. For you, "an intelligent woman" must mean a scornful, bitter bitch that's allergic to having simple fun. I value character trait way before "intelligence." "Intelligence" is only subjective and it's the only way for you to explain to yourself the fact that women are attracted to cocky-funny guys and not you. Have you ever had a hot girl go out with a guy that you thought "treated her bad"? And that she deserved better? A nice guy like you?
hah
When I started doing C+F, I had limited success but I recognized it around me. I recognized that all the guys who had girls chasing them and always talking about them had a very recognizable similarity in their character WHILE being completely different one from the other. That's the thing abot cocky and funny, you mold it to fit your style and your type humor. C+F is all up to you, if you didn't like Cubsfan's jokes, fine, you can do your own jokes. Cubsfan jokes were universal and easy to understand, it's why they work better than the time you busted screaming "FHUTA."
You say you want a girl that is "intelligent." What is "intelligence"? Good grades? Cultural knowledge? Obviously you think that if a girl laughs at corny jokes, that makes her a dumbass. For you, "an intelligent woman" must mean a scornful, bitter bitch that's allergic to having simple fun. I value character trait way before "intelligence." "Intelligence" is only subjective and it's the only way for you to explain to yourself the fact that women are attracted to cocky-funny guys and not you. Have you ever had a hot girl go out with a guy that you thought "treated her bad"? And that she deserved better? A nice guy like you?
hah
JackFrost2012
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Date of Lies said:
What is it about C+F that makes all its practitioners self-own themselves six ways to Sunday?
Everytime you guys post an impassioned defense of how right you are I can't stop laughing.
Mike Works
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:lolmasud said:
Cocky and Funny is only a tool to bridge yourself with the girl you want. You're not always going to be C+F all the time. Of course when you really want this girl and have known her for quite some time, then you show your true true self. C+F can only take in so far but without any personality to back it all up, you wouldn't get the relationship you want. (If relationship is what you're really looking for at least.)
And in terms of 'intelligence'. Date of Lies said it all right there. An intelligent woman looking to meet a guy won't most likely look for a guy that can explain her what relativity is or how she can balance her bank account or how DEEP he is or whatever. Women most likely would want a fun time and if she found out that you are fun and doesn't take yourself too seriously (being a little cheesy/lame and all) AND willing to have fun with her (whatever fun means in her vocabulary) then that's all there is to it to make that bridge between you two. And C+F (believe it or not) is preety much the best way to do that.
And in terms of 'intelligence'. Date of Lies said it all right there. An intelligent woman looking to meet a guy won't most likely look for a guy that can explain her what relativity is or how she can balance her bank account or how DEEP he is or whatever. Women most likely would want a fun time and if she found out that you are fun and doesn't take yourself too seriously (being a little cheesy/lame and all) AND willing to have fun with her (whatever fun means in her vocabulary) then that's all there is to it to make that bridge between you two. And C+F (believe it or not) is preety much the best way to do that.
My fellow GAFFERS, I cannot stress this enough: Cocky and Funny absolutely MUST be utilized with extreme precaution and care. If used improperly, it can have disastrous consequences!
I was speaking to this Colombian girl online. We dig each other, no doubt, but there's nothing doing for now since she just broke things off with a friend of mine. Anyway, we go to school together and were talking about grades. She said that she can't blame her performance (however good) on ESL anymore, since she now speaks English fluently. So I say...
"You've got nothing to blame. You did well..... for an immigrant."
Whoops! I meant this as a joke, but had been sincere up to that point so she took me seriously. Apparently she got really upset and I had to go on immediate damage control.
I recovered masterfully, though, and we started talking about wrestling each otherlol) and , but man.... if it isn't difficult enough to calm girls down face-to-face, imagine doing so through just text.
I was speaking to this Colombian girl online. We dig each other, no doubt, but there's nothing doing for now since she just broke things off with a friend of mine. Anyway, we go to school together and were talking about grades. She said that she can't blame her performance (however good) on ESL anymore, since she now speaks English fluently. So I say...
"You've got nothing to blame. You did well..... for an immigrant."
Whoops! I meant this as a joke, but had been sincere up to that point so she took me seriously. Apparently she got really upset and I had to go on immediate damage control.
I recovered masterfully, though, and we started talking about wrestling each other
lol) and , but man.... if it isn't difficult enough to calm girls down face-to-face, imagine doing so through just text.OpinionatedCyborg
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Socreges said:My fellow GAFFERS, I cannot stress this enough: Cocky and Funny absolutely MUST be utilized with extreme precaution and care. If used improperly, it can have disastrous consequences!
I was speaking to this Colombian girl online. We dig each other, no doubt, but there's nothing doing for now since she just broke things off with a friend of mine. Anyway, we go to school together and were talking about grades. She said that she can't blame her performance (however good) on ESL anymore, since she now speaks English fluently. So I say...
"You've got nothing to blame. You did well..... for an immigrant."
Whoops! I meant this as a joke, but had been sincere up to that point so she took me seriously. Apparently she got really upset and I had to go on immediate damage control.
I recovered masterfully, though, and we started talking about wrestling each other
Hahah. Why isn't this thread archived anyways? Ah well...your post reminds me of my many slip ups with the opposite sex. I generally try to treat girls the same as guys, with more flirting, etc, but sometimes using the same language and demeanour isn't very intelligent. Calling a girl a 'biotch' when she's a closet feminist can only result in pain.
Man, you suck. There's a difference between C&F and being an asshole. You were supposed to say "You've got nothing to blame. You did well..... for an immigrant", then wink, make a little kissy motion with your mouth and pinch her ass. Then tell her to lighten up. That's cocky&funny.Socreges said:My fellow GAFFERS, I cannot stress this enough: Cocky and Funny absolutely MUST be utilized with extreme precaution and care. If used improperly, it can have disastrous consequences!
I was speaking to this Colombian girl online. We dig each other, no doubt, but there's nothing doing for now since she just broke things off with a friend of mine. Anyway, we go to school together and were talking about grades. She said that she can't blame her performance (however good) on ESL anymore, since she now speaks English fluently. So I say...
"You've got nothing to blame. You did well..... for an immigrant."
Whoops! I meant this as a joke, but had been sincere up to that point so she took me seriously. Apparently she got really upset and I had to go on immediate damage control.
I recovered masterfully, though, and we started talking about wrestling each other
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