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[Matlock]

Recently, and many times before, I've heard the inclusion of sexual deviants and jokes thereof make a video game have "mature" humor. Is "mature" the new word for "sophomoric?"

 

[Die Squirrel Die]

Isn't it a bit pointless posting a thread with a rhetorical question?

 

[Arluss]

I'd say so.

Of course, real mature things would be boring. One of the reasons why Shenmue hasn't hit the mainstream.

 

[tahrikmili]

God forbid that we acknowledge kids may know anything about sex.

Even if we know they bang each other at the age of thirteen.

 

[Nerevar]

this thread reminds me of that old Calvin and Hobbes comic, where Calvin asks why he can't go to a movie because it contains "adult themes" and Hobbes responds that it must deal with things like doing your taxes, going to your job, and filling out paperwork. Of course, since it was a Calvin and Hobbes comic, it was actually presented in a way that was funny, unlike my post.

 

[Amir0x]

this thread reminds me of that old Calvin and Hobbes comic, where Calvin asks why he can't go to a movie because it contains "adult themes" and Hobbes responds that it must deal with things like doing your taxes, going to your job, and filling out paperwork. Of course, since it was a Calvin and Hobbes comic, it was actually presented in a way that was funny, unlike my post.

Actually Calvin and Hobbes is so funny that its humour worked well even in your post.

 

[border]

I'm not even sure what you are talking about. What videogames have sexually deviant behavior, and are thus considered mature?

 

[mumu]

Sexual deviant as in GTA:SA or Rape Rape Highschool?

 

[Matlock]

Sexual deviant as in GTA:SA or Rape Rape Highschool?

Example: "***** is mature, due to there being a transvestite who wants the main character being in the game."

 

[etiolate]

This discussion was dumb enough in chat. It's not mature, and dark colors aren't mature either. Sophmoric is as about as mature as videogames get.

 

[border]

But what game has a transvestite romance in it? (Assuming that the **** isn't some word that the mods have censored)

Archer needs examples badly!

 

[Pimpwerx]

Someone had good intentions but poor judgement when clicking the mouse. This situation needs to be rectified before there's a rip in the gaming/OT continuom. PEACE.

 

[SickBoy]

In my mind "mature" more often than not refers to "something parents might not want their kids to see" rather than the actual maturity of whatever it is that's being discussed.

 

[Die Squirrel Die]

In my mind "mature" more often than not refers to "something parents might not want their kids to see" rather than the actual maturity of whatever it is that's being discussed.

Well done, you've stumbled onto the reason why the original question posed is redundant. Words can have different meanings and definitions. All the thread starter did was to take one particular narrow definition of 'mature' (one associated with intellectual concerns) and apply it to a use of 'mature' in a different context, with a different meaning (one to do with suitability of content for certain age groups).

 

[lexi]

Hold up, What's this about a transvestite in a game?

 

[drohne]

insofar as sex substantially occupies the thoughts and time of mature (in the strictly developmental sense) human beings, and insofar as sex plays a part in most fictions and humor intended for consumption by adults, videogames that deal with sex can reasonably be called more mature than games that don't. i don't know exactly what part sex should play in videogames, but this business of putting mature in quotation marks, with the accompanying implication that mario and zelda are as mature as anything else, is silly.

 

[ferricide]

this is all about semantics. you can make similar arguments about the phrase "adult book store". and they're equally pointless, even if the pervasive lack of maturity (in the sense you mean it) in games is both tedious and depressing.

 

[Mr_Furious]

I think only parents need to reply.

 

[GaimeGuy]

But what game has a transvestite romance in it? (Assuming that the **** isn't some word that the mods have censored)

Archer needs examples badly!

Paper Mario 2. Vivian is really a guy, but it was changed for the US version so the dialogue said that she was a she. The dialogue in japanese says that she's a he.

Edit: And yes, she/he still has the hots for mario in Japan, too.

 

[Sergenth]

Though Drohne answered the question admirably, I feel that a video-game-themed response would be more appropriate.

Take into consideration, the Bulborb Larvae in Pikmin 2. Developmentally, they are immature, and don't have much concern over legs. Crawling is fine for them, as it gets Pikmin in their stomachs quite well. Damn them! I hate them! Squish under your fat momma you maggots!

*Ahem...*

However, when the Bulborb matures, legs become an issue. You could say that the matured Bulborbs fixate on their legs. Mobility is increased, and the urge to fornicate has also supposedly increased (new Bulborbs do appear after all)-- legs and sex, what a winning combination! Plus, Pikmin are just as easy to ingest. Finally, the corpulent queen Bulborb caterpillar -- surely a creature of deviant nature for it can no longer walk... just squirm and spit out babies. In this state of maturity, the Queen Bulborb's ONLY concern is punching out babies until it dies (until I slew it with my mighty Pikmin militia!). Talk of legs or other non-rolling movement would seem sophomoric to it's sensibilities and it would send its babies to eat you.

Unfortunatley, Captain Olimar's logs are severely lacking in such informational specifics of Bulborb mating, leaving me quite upset and bothered!!! The analogy sadly ends here.

So to conclude, mature subject matter is thoughts and ideas that only matured (i.e. further developed) creatures would have a relative interest in. Some people in this topic are confusing the word "mature" as a synonym for "wise" or "serious" or "correct" when it just means a "later stage in the life process".

This is how the GTA series can be seen as "mature" games even when wisdom, seriousness, and universal moral correctness are not foundations of the games themes.

 

[ourumov]

I think people tends to consider mature everythin in a videogame that makes it stand over the concept of shoot shoot, jump jump, run run and in general amuse without dangers a baby...
That said every kind of thing in a videogame that a non-gamer doesn't expect to find is what more or less people considers mature.


Anyways I wouldn't call it mature. For me mature would be something that required an extra-effort to comprehend. And that's something only a few games do. For instance, let's take the Silent Hill games. Expiatory situations for people that have something fucked up on their past memories. The whole game is a via crucis to the auto-destruction...
Would a 7 years old tell this ? Of course not. He will say the game is just like Resident Evil but not fun...

 

[TheTurtleTitan]

Paper Mario 2. Vivian is really a guy, but it was changed for the US version so the dialogue said that she was a she. The dialogue in japanese says that she's a he.

Actually, I heard that was just a lame rumor someone spread to get on people's minds. A translator person on GameFAQs assured everyone that Vivian was indeed a female.

 

[Dilbert]

The title of this thread is completely misleading, and I'm not sure I'm happy about the topic in general.

As far as I'm concerned, drohne said everything that needs to be said.

 

[Dragona Akehi]

Vivian's female, unless I'm reading my Japanese wrong. I never got the intimation that she could be a he while playing the game.

And yes, This Topic Sucks.

 

[Arluss]

You mean Hot Topic right?

 

[lexi]

Actually, I heard that was just a lame rumor someone spread to get on people's minds. A translator person on GameFAQs assured everyone that Vivian was indeed a female.

Given that PM2 is an IS developed game, it wouldn't really surprise me.

 

[Matlock]

Anyways I wouldn't call it mature. For me mature would be something that required an extra-effort to comprehend. And that's something only a few games do. For instance, let's take the Silent Hill games. Expiatory situations for people that have something fucked up on their past memories. The whole game is a via crucis to the auto-destruction...
Would a 7 years old tell this ? Of course not. He will say the game is just like Resident Evil but not fun...

You hit the nail on the head. Thanks everyone for participating, but this man is possibly as right as anyone can be. With "mature" being misconstrued as tawdry, violent, or obscene in today's society, it's nice to see that a few can realize that it's much more.

Thank you, ourumov.

 

[Dilbert]

You hit the nail on the head. Thanks everyone for participating, but this man is possibly as right as anyone can be. With "mature" being misconstrued as tawdry, violent, or obscene in today's society, it's nice to see that a few can realize that it's much more.

Thank you, ourumov.

Now WAIT a minute. Go back to Day 1 of symbolic logic -- the converse of a conditional does not necessarily have the same truth value as the conditional itself.

If something has sexual content, then it is necessarily mature. (drohne; true statement)

However, if something is mature, then it does not necessarily follow that it has sexual content.
As ourumov points out, there are other possible reasons why something can be mature...but that isn't the question you started this thread with.

 

[Matlock]

jinx: you're misconstruing--sex, violence, obscenity is looked at as mature due to the fact the word is thrown around like a football for anything not aimed at children. It's not maturity--it's just sex, violence, or obscenity.

 

[Drinky Crow]

This thread is Totally Opa (tm).

Title is a rhetorical question? Check.
Two-sentence, unsupported rant about moral issues? Check.
Only tangentially related to gaming? Check.

IT'S OPA TIME!!!!

 

[Matlock]

1. It's not a rhetorical question.
2. It's a question about why people talk about adult themes as "mature" in games.
3. Nintendo fanboys use the excuse all the goddamned time--which was the basis for this thread.

 

[Drinky Crow]

1. It is, because you and everyone else knows the answer. It's sex and its edgy and therefore its for adults. The question is no less disingenuous than Opa asking why all the Democrats hate America.

2. You didn't bother to provide any information as to WHY you want this question answered, especially since the answer is so patently obvious ("sex is something adults and teens who want to be adults do" and "no, the Democrats don't hate America"). You deliberately left it open as bait, which is a patented Opa Tactic (tm).

3. Again, more than two sentences might have saved your ass from the following non-prize:

You are tonight's lucky Opa-like! ENJOY YOUR NEW MAIL-ORDER BRIDE AND SURPRISINGLY PLEASURABLE PROCTOLOGICAL EXAMINATION.

 

[Matlock]

Either it's nearing 2 AM and my thoughts are getting damn near incoherent, or I took one of your posts seriously.

 

[Drinky Crow]

Try masturbating! Clears the mind of foul humors, although it DOES kinda put you on the shit list of at least one major deity.

 

[Rhindle]

The only reason we're having this discussion is that the ESRB happened to pick "Mature" as the euphemism to use for games with graphic violence, instead of "R" or "18" or whatever they use in other areas.

It's a blatant misuse of the term, since lots of blood does not equate with maturity, and neither do most of the (extremely rare) sexual themes to be found in games. But I guess the M-rating makes it easier for an EB clerk to get away with shoving a game across the counter to a fourteen year-old, than if it had "18" stamped on the cover -- so the industry's pretty happy with the rating system.

 

[Matlock]

Feh, the old testament god was turned into a wussy in the sequel.

edit: Rhindle, god bless you, you covered an angle that I hadn't thought of.

 

[Dragmire]

This thread began and ended with Sergenth's Pikmin 2 analogy. Thank you.

 

[fse]

Sometimes they just add sex for the game to sell...

 

[Late Stage Marxist]

Though Drohne answered the question admirably, I feel that a video-game-themed response would be more appropriate.

Take into consideration, the Bulborb Larvae in Pikmin 2. Developmentally, they are immature, and don't have much concern over legs. Crawling is fine for them, as it gets Pikmin in their stomachs quite well. Damn them! I hate them! Squish under your fat momma you maggots!

*Ahem...*

However, when the Bulborb matures, legs become an issue. You could say that the matured Bulborbs fixate on their legs. Mobility is increased, and the urge to fornicate has also supposedly increased (new Bulborbs do appear after all)-- legs and sex, what a winning combination! Plus, Pikmin are just as easy to ingest. Finally, the corpulent queen Bulborb caterpillar -- surely a creature of deviant nature for it can no longer walk... just squirm and spit out babies. In this state of maturity, the Queen Bulborb's ONLY concern is punching out babies until it dies (until I slew it with my mighty Pikmin militia!). Talk of legs or other non-rolling movement would seem sophomoric to it's sensibilities and it would send its babies to eat you.

Unfortunatley, Captain Olimar's logs are severely lacking in such informational specifics of Bulborb mating, leaving me quite upset and bothered!!! The analogy sadly ends here.

So to conclude, mature subject matter is thoughts and ideas that only matured (i.e. further developed) creatures would have a relative interest in. Some people in this topic are confusing the word "mature" as a synonym for "wise" or "serious" or "correct" when it just means a "later stage in the life process".

This is how the GTA series can be seen as "mature" games even when wisdom, seriousness, and universal moral correctness are not foundations of the games themes.

:lol POTY

 

[D-X]

Hold up, What's this about a transvestite in a game?

Yuan in Shenmue II, well only in Japan. In the west she's all woman.

 

[AniHawk]

In the west she's all woman.

You don't know that for sure.

 

[ManDudeChild]

Sexual deviant as in GTA:SA or Rape Rape Highschool?

I'd just like to point out that Rape Rape Highschool doesn't actually exist.

 

[D-X]

You don't know that for sure.

I meant all the references to her being a man were mistranslated for the Euro DC version and her lines were re-recorded by a woman, unlike the original which had a male VA putting on a high voice.

 

[callous]

I'd just like to point out that Rape Rape Highschool doesn't actually exist.

Talk about BURSTING THE BUBBLE.