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Why are zoomers and millenials so soft?

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You're making a social -- not political -- comment. And it's a true comment.
I agree with you, but there's a large population that literally believes that the social and political are so inextricably linked that attempting to talk about them separately is a demonstration of privilege.

I'm not even certain I disagree with them, although my political beliefs are not typically in agreement with such people.

Also, can we all just move on from the obvious? Yes, there are (valid) generalizations being made. Yes, a generalization by definition means that it doesn't apply to every single person ever. Yes, we know that your Gen-Z nephew is actually a rugged cowboy, a tough man, the very man they used as the face model of Arthur Morgan. We know all of this.

It would be nice if people were taught explicitly about normal distributions, overlapping normal distributions, and how such topics relate to the world, sociologically and otherwise.

But they are not. Probably on purpose.
 
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StreetsofBeige

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Tech made them soft and weak and everything can done by PC from ordering everything online, to video games, to Facetime. They dont even need to leave the house. And they somehow prefer it that way. Their success comes down to whos got the most popular Twitter or Instagram account with the best pics.

There is no way young people socialized more or equal to older generations face to face. I get it. You text and Face Time. But at least get off your ass. You never see kids bike riding or playing sports. Drive by a park and it's dead empty except for maybe a few dogwalkers. Lazy generation. Back in the 80s, we'd be riding bikes to variety stores, renting movies, or tossing a football etc.... Or even something like watching tv together with a bowl of chips and pop shooting the shit about school, girls, Leafs suck, Habs suck etc.... Just about all of us had a gaming console or a C64, but it didn't matter. You still went outside until it got dark. You did both. Fun playing games at home and fun hanging out with friends after school. School ended around 4 pm, go home eat a quick snack and everyone meet back at school or at someone's house to play street hockey. Everyone had a stick. And it was so common, you always had a one or two kids with access to goalie pads because they or their older bro plays goalie in rec leagues. It was one of things where if word got out some of us were playing hockey, even kids who werent even best buddies could join. And then as always the teams were always one group of friends vs. another group of friends. It was always good to have more players since if you had too few you cant get a proper pick up game going.

It wasnt even about doing this stuff as kids. We were playing pick up hockey in high school..... when the dreaded orange ball of death was used.
 
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pel1300

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Those who took this OP as a political statement must live in a bubble.

I hear this topic get brought up all the time by ppl who don't seem to give a shit about politics.
 

Darryl

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the most obvious thing that comes to mind is the amount of rules everywhere. my dad tells me stories about things that happened in his age, and im like, there's no way you would get away with that nowadays. the world was a lot more raw. the amount of things you can't do nowadays is astounding
 

Darryl

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Tech made them soft and weak and everything can done by PC from ordering everything online, to video games, to Facetime. They dont even need to leave the house. And they somehow prefer it that way. Their success comes down to whos got the most popular Twitter or Instagram account with the best pics.

There is no way young people socialized more or equal to older generations face to face. I get it. You text and Face Time. But at least get off your ass. You never see kids bike riding or playing sports. Drive by a park and it's dead empty except for maybe a few dogwalkers. Lazy generation. Back in the 80s, we'd be riding bikes to variety stores, renting movies, or tossing a football etc.... Or even something like watching tv together with a bowl of chips and pop shooting the shit about school, girls, Leafs suck, Habs suck etc.... Just about all of us had a gaming console or a C64, but it didn't matter. You still went outside until it got dark. You did both. Fun playing games at home and fun hanging out with friends after school. School ended around 4 pm, go home eat a quick snack and everyone meet back at school or at someone's house to play street hockey. Everyone had a stick. And it was so common, you always had a one or two kids with access to goalie pads because they or their older bro plays goalie in rec leagues. It was one of things where if word got out some of us were playing hockey, even kids who werent even best buddies could join. And then as always the teams were always one group of friends vs. another group of friends. It was always good to have more players since if you had too few you cant get a proper pick up game going.

It wasnt even about doing this stuff as kids. We were playing pick up hockey in high school..... when the dreaded orange ball of death was used.

i remember all of the high schoolers would meet up downtown on weekend nights. there'd be mobs of teenagers. hundreds of them, everyone in town was there. it happened every weekend night, too, and most nights on summer. after the iphone though, there were less people every week. by the time it was common to own smartphones, nobody went down there at all. ever. i check it out all of the time out of nostalgia and i never see any groups of kids.

i don't know if this is why people are soft. my generation still went out a ton, and we are softies too. but i think it contributes for sure. imo it's more of an obvious sign that quality of life has dropped. those days were the days that made life worth living
 
I guess, technically, having empathy for others makes you "soft". But it's better than the alternative.
Empathy in the modern context isn’t really helpful. It’s just self righteous selfishness. Moral preening. It’s “how do I think I would feel if it were me”. I also find the people who claim to have the most empathy are also the most radically vindictive towards those they don’t agree with. They often conveniently get to determine who is worthy of empathy and who is not, and wouldn’t you know it? The worthy are almost always people they agree with. Or people they secretly feel are less than them and so are in need of their precious empathy.

I have no patience for people who hold themselves up as virtuous because of their self proclaimed empathy.
 
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StreetsofBeige

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Empathy in the modern context isn’t really helpful. It’s just self righteous selfishness. Moral preening. It’s “how do I think I would feel”. I also find the people who claim to have the most empathy are also the most radically vindictive towards those they don’t agree with. They often conveniently get to determine who is worthy of empathy and who is not, and wouldn’t you know it? The worthy are almost always people they agree with. Or people they secretly feel are less than them and so are in need of their precious empathy.

I have no patience for people who hold themselves up as virtuous because of their self proclaimed empathy.
100% true.

It's like the person who champions anti-racial attitudes, yet everything they see in life somehow has a race slant to it.

The vast majority of people don't care and wont think of it. And if they do, they'll forget about it 5 seconds later. The justice warrior will be thinking about it all night writing a speech or tweet about it.
 
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GeorgioCostanzaX

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Growing up in the late 80’s with older siblings who had GI Joe, Transformers and squirt guns that looked like the real thing was great: they showed me stuff like Aliens and Temple of Doom when I was way too young for them and it made me who I am today. My name is MrMephistoX and I am a borderline millennial.
 

nush

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i remember all of the high schoolers would meet up downtown on weekend nights. there'd be mobs of teenagers. hundreds of them, everyone in town was there. it happened every weekend night, too, and most nights on summer.

If a shop in town had a light outside and a wall to sit on there would be loads of teenagers there in the evenings. Do teenagers even deliver newspapers anymore? Get up early, deliver the papers on your round and then go to school maybe deliver the evening papers after school as well.
 
Empathy in the modern context isn’t really helpful. It’s just self righteous selfishness. Moral preening. It’s “how do I think I would feel if it were me”. I also find the people who claim to have the most empathy are also the most radically vindictive towards those they don’t agree with. They often conveniently get to determine who is worthy of empathy and who is not, and wouldn’t you know it? The worthy are almost always people they agree with. Or people they secretly feel are less than them and so are in need of their precious empathy.

I have no patience for people who hold themselves up as virtuous because of their self proclaimed empathy.
Holy shit, spot on. All of it.
 

nush

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they showed me stuff like Aliens and Temple of Doom when I was way too young for them and it made me who I am today.

My brothers friend had parents that ran a butchers shop in town and during one summer holiday they hired a baby sitter for him while they went to work. Being that the back of a butchers shop was no place for a kid. We'd go and hang out in this kids house because there were no adults there and quickly worked out that the babysitter would go and rent ANY movies we wanted just to keep us quiet and out the way while she talked on the phone and read magazines.

Every day we'd get 2-3 movies we were not allowed to see by our parents, Aliens, Commando, Predator, Robocop, Lethal Weapon and so on. 6 weeks of high action 80's movie goodness. Word got around and there would usually be 7-10 of us in there, but we were all quiet and well behaved not wanting to ruin a good thing.
 

BigBooper

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If a shop in town had a light outside and a wall to sit on there would be loads of teenagers there in the evenings. Do teenagers even deliver newspapers anymore? Get up early, deliver the papers on your round and then go to school maybe deliver the evening papers after school as well.
Locally, barely any teenagers seem to work in my small town. Most of them are driving late model cars their parents bought them and do extra curricular fun stuff. Every fast food place and retail business in town is perpetually short staffed.
 

greyshark

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You're very sensitive if you think that these threads discussing and poking fun at some of the stereotypes of zoomers, millenials, and boomers are "hateful and divisive". Are you still upset that I called you a coomer as a joke before?

No man I do not care about a random insult (that I admittedly had to look up) from some stranger on the internet.

You opened your last thread under the guise of light-heartedness but when pressed went on a 500 word rant about a very specific person (your dad?). And rather than continue that discussion you stopped replying and started this thread.

You make comments like “all people suck” and want to have discussions centered around people’s frustrations - why?
 

greyshark

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Empathy in the modern context isn’t really helpful. It’s just self righteous selfishness. Moral preening. It’s “how do I think I would feel if it were me”. I also find the people who claim to have the most empathy are also the most radically vindictive towards those they don’t agree with. They often conveniently get to determine who is worthy of empathy and who is not, and wouldn’t you know it? The worthy are almost always people they agree with. Or people they secretly feel are less than them and so are in need of their precious empathy.

I have no patience for people who hold themselves up as virtuous because of their self proclaimed empathy.

What you are describing is not empathy - it is narcissism. Our country needs a lot more empathy than it has right now.
 

Methos#1975

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I'll tell a thing I've noticed more and more at work and that is while all the older employees stay on even while things went to shit due to the pandemic, one bad day and the zoomers and millenials would just quit. When asked what they would do for money they just shrug and say my parents will take care of it. What the hell. Are their parents really just allowing them to have zero work ethic and leech off of them? I would never allow my daughter to do that.
 

Redneckerz

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The only answer is social media and education/society letting it happen. Instead of bolstering ethic and hardship, people 5-10 years younger than me take days off for every reason they can find and if that isn't available, they make sure that they can always answer the question ''How can i make this about me?''

That this goes to extremes is readily apparent by the current hot topics in society today. When you juxtapose them together, you soon realize how both incredibly shallow a lot of people are, and how ignorant society as a whole is to give such shallowness a stage to play in.
 

nush

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one bad day and the zoomers and millenials would just quit. When asked what they would do for money they just shrug and say my parents will take care of it.

I've had those days when I was young, I'd fuck something up and cost the company a lot of money (15k) for a small oversight. I really felt like walking out before having that "Investigation" meeting where they would surely fire me anyway. I didn't because then I'd not be able to eat or pay rent. Nothing saved because I was living paycheck to paycheck.

Slim chance I wasn't going to get fired vs not having a job for sure. I didn't get fired, but that sure as fuck for the rest of my life made me check the small details on a project before signing off on it.

Good life lesson I'd have missed out on and learned from if I'd walked.
 

DeceptiveAlarm

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I know everyone says this. I'm a old millennial one of the first. I do heating controls and I'm around boomer custodians all day at School. These guys are some of the weakest babies I have ever met. Scared of everything. Mad at the world.

The one calls himself a Alpha for christ sake. Dudes bald, over weight and a custodian chasing lunch ladies. I killed a mouse he cried.

I'm not sure where these super tough boomers are but they are not here.
 
What you are describing is not empathy - it is narcissism. Our country needs a lot more empathy than it has right now.
That’s good to say, but try having empathy for, say, the average Russia citizen right now. Empathy for most people these days is reserved for people they whose behaviors they approve of or for people they feel are “victims” of larger society. It’s easy to have empathy for those people because it makes us feel like good people.

What’s hard is to empathize with people we don’t like. To try and understand where they’re coming from, even if we still don’t agree with them at the end. That’s what is sorely lacking in America these days.
 

BigBooper

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People value empathy entirely too much. We should have sympathy, because it is necessary for a stable society. Empathy is a modern sourge.
 
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greyshark

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To try and understand where they’re coming from, even if we still don’t agree with them at the end. That’s what is sorely lacking in America these days.

This is literally the definition of empathy.

The other parts of your post was once again describing narcissism veiled as empathy. They’re not behaving as you described above, there’s no actual empathetic thought involved. Just selfish performative virtue signaling.
 
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p_xavier

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I was brought in an unloving family, basically no trophy. In retrospective it was the right way, I'm an over achiever now and get recognition for me peers. I also blame media scare in the overprotection of children.
 
That's another aspect I've also noticed about millenials and zoomers. They're always trying to be smart asses and find loopholes or whatever to play "gotcha" on someone. Obviously on a website where the majority of the posters and visitors are from the U.S. then it's going to be about the U.S. perspective but of course if you don't explicitly spell something out they'll try to get you on it to throw the conversation off track.
I think this comes from so many of them having been to university where they are taught to 'win' classroom debates rather than learn how to get things done. This then translates into endless arguing on the internet rather than engaging in real, civic life.

Another problem with the huge amount of people going to university is that it ends multi-generational living. Most students move away from home and never come back. As a result, they no longer have regular contact with parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles or older family friends and neighbors. This means that they miss out on advice and wisdom from the older generation. If they have a problem there is no one to advise them who has been through it so they struggle to keep things in perspective.

We all experience anxiety, low mood, regret and loneliness at various points throughout our lives. When you are young this can seem catastrophic but you will almost certainly be OK. Older people know this because we went through it ourselves but if we're not around to advise you then your problems will probably spiral out of control.
 
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I've worked in a factory setting for 10 years with people from different age groups from high school graduates to soon to be retirees. As a team leader the one thing I've noticed is how each age group handle criticism.

If a boomer fucks up a process they either double check everything afterwards or throw out the old "I've been doing this for 30 years and I know I didn't fuck it up" type shit. Another thing they do is they never try anything new.

Millennials for the most part if they get told they missed a process almost always deny they did anything wrong and place the blame on something or someone else. It is never their fault.

Zoomers most likely quit after working a few days. Most of them coming after graduating high school never stick around. They work 2 to 3 weeks and then we never see them again. There are some cases to where when they get yelled at they cry. I'm not joking, they will legitimately cry if they fuck up and then they don't come back to work. Last month I seen a guy get pulled off the line because when he was training he would do half his process and then get on his phone while the trainer did the rest. He got his ass reemed by our supervisor and then broke down into tears. The dude was crying so hard he couldn't talk. I've never seen that before in a work setting.
 
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I don't think I will ever get tired of seeing this. It holds true, no matter how much certain people tend to think contarily.
 

Mistake

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Are you German or Swedish ? They kick out from the house their kids when they turn 18....

I still think this issue OP raised is an American thing.
Nope, American. But I moved out myself when I turned 18.

It’s not really a surprise to me how the karen meme came around, and then we saw a bunch of teens/young adults acting the same. They learned it from somewhere
 

Billbofet

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One of our neighbor's daughters graduated college last year and started teaching this past Fall. After four months, she decided she didn't like it, moved back home, and has zero plans or desire to do or get another job/career.
I just found this out this morning as I was reading this thread and thought it was sad/hilarious that she is essentially retiring at 22.

That said, I have managed a few teams with ages ranging from early 20's to late 50's and there are hard workers and lazy asses mixed all throughout.
They just make different excuses or reasons for sucking at life.
 

Methos#1975

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I've worked in a factory setting for 10 years with people from different age groups from high school graduates to soon to be retirees. As a team leader the one thing I've noticed is how each age group handle criticism.

If a boomer fucks up a process they either double check everything afterwards or throw out the old "I've been doing this for 30 years and I know I didn't fuck it up" type shit. Another thing they do is they never try anything new.

Millennials for the most part if they get told they missed a process almost always deny they did anything wrong and place the blame on something or someone else. It is never their fault.

Zoomers most likely quit after working a few days. Most of them coming after graduating high school never stick around. They work 2 to 3 weeks and then we never see them again. There are some cases to where when they get yelled at they cry. I'm not joking, they will legitimately cry if they fuck up and then they don't come back to work. Last month I seen a guy get pulled off the line because when he was training he would do half his process and then get on his phone while the trainer did the rest. He got his ass reemed by our supervisor and then broke down into tears. The dude was crying so hard he couldn't talk. I've never seen that before in a work setting.
Lol I work at Toyota and this is how it is there
 

8bitpill

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This is a discussion that could go on and span quite a lot of pages.

I feel like today we're saturated in news that is the worst aspects of every generation. You're going to read how Zoomers are lazy, late Millennials are sensitive, early Millennials complaining about wages, Gen X raising a soft generation, and Boomers being oblivious to the worlds changes.

We're fed the "train wrecks" of every story and continue to read the worst aspects of said generation.

If one thing is true about all those generations, is once they feel like their view or opinion is shared with another group, they follow through with it and feel justified since they have a group of like minded people behind them. Biggest take away is realize when you're wrong and do better. It's what hasn't been taught throughout every generation.

Just remember we're just evolved apes making something out of nothing.

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Unk Adams

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Funny thing is OP was crying about women not being hot in videogames yesterday

I dont think you could get more beta than that
Imagine being such an omega that you twist the words of someone and lie about something in order to try to make someone look bad. The thread was a discussion about the purposeful uglification of women in videogames by modern day gaming companies, something that whiny millenials and zoomers have a problem with for some reason because they can't handle attractive people in fantasy form.

Also, imagine being such an omega that you don't like beautiful women. Real alphas prefer hot women because they have a choice in their mates. Omegas and betas detest beautiful women even in virtual form because they're either stuck getting no women or have to take whatever they can get, whether they're attracted to them or not. There's another gaming forum very similar to this one where they spent pages complaining about how a newer game has female characters that are "too sexy".

It doesn't get any more omega than that.
 

West Texas CEO

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Imagine being such an omega that you twist the words of someone and lie about something in order to try to make someone look bad. The thread was a discussion about the purposeful uglification of women in videogames by modern day gaming companies, something that whiny millenials and zoomers have a problem with for some reason because they can't handle attractive people in fantasy form.

Also, imagine being such an omega that you don't like beautiful women. Real alphas prefer hot women because they have a choice in their mates. Omegas and betas detest beautiful women even in virtual form because they're either stuck getting no women or have to take whatever they can get, whether they're attracted to them or not. There's another gaming forum very similar to this one where they spent pages complaining about how a newer game has female characters that are "too sexy".

It doesn't get any more omega than that.
whoa whoa whoa.

I'm an expert when it comes to Alpha/Beta/Omega/Gamma

From what I've observed in our world, it's that very tall men with very healthy builds and good jobs gain access to highly attractive females. Your average male on the other hand is 5'8 with so-so body and an ok job. The average/Beta male has to compete with many men daily just to get either an average or below average female. In theory I believe the Omega male doesn't compete at all. The lowest ranked female picks which Omega male she'll breed with and/or start a relationship with. Chances are the male will accept her because he can't do better meaning neither of them will be happy deep down.

A scientist in the 90s looking at sexual selection found that the distribution of female mates for males looks more akin to the inequality in wealth distribution in wealth.

-Some men they found end up with 0 women.
-Some men end up with 100 women.
- For women the found the distribution of male for them looked more akin to wealth distribution in the socialist-democracies of Northern Europe.
-Just about all women end up with 1 man and no woman has like 100 husbands.

Basically, in the Westernized, feminist nations of the world, the Omega male is screwed.

Fun fact : Feminists do not mind gender bending for males if they are gay but encourage females to reject such males (if the males are heterosexual) as mates.
 
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