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Why are zoomers and millenials so soft?
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Dudes with the proclivity to put roofies in women's drinks.
And then you wonder why they turned out the way they did? If you are asking why they are the way they are you need to root cause analyse it and that means looking at the parents.
Toons
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Came to say this.
The question posed in this threads title was being asked before the internet was ever a thing.
Technological advancement makes things easier. Social progress helps more people. Then the people who didn't have things as easy convince themselves those who do have the things that make things better or easier are weaker for it.
Put the quoted post puts it best. It's a delusion. Every new generation reflects only on the generation that came before it.
Wildebeest
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They are frustrated and angry because they think that free speech is being weaponized against them by old people who want them to stay infantilized and politically powerless.
InfiniteCombo
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Eh, bad take; your use of "delusion" removes the legitimacy and merit of questioning the path of the younger generation(s).
DKehoe
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Vicetrailia
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Getting a house, car and job is 100,000 times more difficult today. Some things are way easier and some are way harder but really not much changes class wise.
8bitpill
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I think about this scene when I talk to my Father in Law at times. Good man, and not narrow minded but at times, some stupid shit he gets wrapped up in his head with the current social climate.
BigDeadFreak
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I guarantee that Edwardian dandies didn't think those who fought in the first world war were snowflakes.
I guarantee that 1920s flappers didn't think the women who survived the blitz were too soft.
MacReady13
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You think this is just an American thing? It's very prevalent here in Australia...
Shadowstar39
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Yet the same people want to make college mandatory by having us finance rich snobby kids going to fancy schools. No thanks. Maybe cheaper to produce cars should be made. Less mcMansions and more humble abodes like we seen being built in the 50s - 70s , rancher homes, or duplexes. You know 90% of new construction in the suburbs is 20k sq ft homes with 5-6 bedrooms. Why? Why are cars $25 k new when in the 80s you could get a new one for under $8k. Inflation wasn't that much.
Companies should be training people and not requiring crazy degrees unless its medical or engineering, etc... For so many things they require shit that school doesn't teach. People shouldn't be forced to go to college because some people don't want to pay their loans.
DeepBreath87
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Just as an example, let’s take Naomi Osaka.
She got heckled the other day playing tennis. It clearly really bothered her and she also lost her match. Now the loss may well have happened anyway. Then she takes the microphone and chooses to explain why she was crying and upset. I can understand why it bothered her. I actually have no problem with anything she did. She’s entitled to her feelings and the person who said she sucked was a jerk.
However, what I do have a problem with is holding her up as some kind of positive example. That, she is not. She’s not brave and she not amazing. She was faced with some adversity and it got the better of her. That’s not a sin. It’s also not aspirational.
Jackie Robinson was brave and inspirational. And he didn’t face one person yelling “you suck” amongst a sea of supporters. That dude faced a country full of people that treated him like dirt. Like less than a man. And somehow he held it together. He stared down incredible negativity. That’s something to aspire to.
We have so devalued the idea of things like bravery and greatness that pretty much anything a person does is “great”. Even losing and breaking down crying is supposed to be seen as brave. It’s a lot of things. But it is not brave.
She got heckled the other day playing tennis. It clearly really bothered her and she also lost her match. Now the loss may well have happened anyway. Then she takes the microphone and chooses to explain why she was crying and upset. I can understand why it bothered her. I actually have no problem with anything she did. She’s entitled to her feelings and the person who said she sucked was a jerk.
However, what I do have a problem with is holding her up as some kind of positive example. That, she is not. She’s not brave and she not amazing. She was faced with some adversity and it got the better of her. That’s not a sin. It’s also not aspirational.
Jackie Robinson was brave and inspirational. And he didn’t face one person yelling “you suck” amongst a sea of supporters. That dude faced a country full of people that treated him like dirt. Like less than a man. And somehow he held it together. He stared down incredible negativity. That’s something to aspire to.
We have so devalued the idea of things like bravery and greatness that pretty much anything a person does is “great”. Even losing and breaking down crying is supposed to be seen as brave. It’s a lot of things. But it is not brave.
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Cyberpunkd
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Just let it go - understand the times have changed and people have different sensibilities, nothing new about that. 30 years ago it was normal to spank your kid, 'roughen them up' if you think, now it's child abuse.
We live in the world when people have to externalize their every feeling - most of us do not have to do that unless you are a public figure. Again, you age matters - I remember the time before Instagram and Facebook, I do not have accounts on both, I enjoy to just sit quietly and reflect and not interact with people. But I also understand this is very different for people born in the 2000s.
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strange headache
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The decline is empirically quantifiable:
Necessity is the mother of invention, but if there is no need...
DeepBreath87
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We have become a society that infantilizes people. Allows them to celebrate their emotional instability as some sort of virtue. Times have changed? Sure. People have become fat and comfortable enough that the can indulge their every mood swing and impulse as some kind of identity or character trait. We’ve become so self absorbed that we are literally caving in on ourselves and pretending our own self absorption is actually demonstrating our empathy.Just let it go - understand the times have changed and people have different sensibilities, nothing new about that. 30 years ago it was normal to spank your kid, 'roughen them up' if you think, now it's child abuse.
We live in the world when people have to externalize their every feeling - most of us do not have to do that unless you are a public figure. Again, you age matters - I remember the time before Instagram and Facebook, I do not have accounts on both, I enjoy to just sit quietly and reflect and not interact with people. But I also understand this is very different for people born in the 2000s.
And not only do we self indulge, but we DEMAND that society affirm our indulgences, no matter how ridiculous or destructive they are to ourselves and others. If you can’t fit in a typical chair, it’s not because your too fucking fat. It’s because society has unfairly discriminated against people of size. So you demand that society accommodate your fat butt because God forbid you have to compromise who you are to fit in… to a chair. Then, to go one step further, we applaud ourselves as stunning and brave for taking stand against injustice. And that’s a mild but all the more common example.
I don’t spend a lot of time stewing about it. But I notice it and I don’t have a difficult time pointing it out.
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You mean the artist that made conservatives foam at the mouth because of his videos, one which features him sliding down a stripper pole from heaven straight into hell so he can give a lap dance to the devil before killing him?
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Can't argue with that. Blue hair arm pit activist says hi.
Doom85
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And a lot of the older generations neglected their mental health to the detriment of everyone. Whether it’s the whole “real men don’t talk about their feelings“ or “I’m not seeing any shrink!” ignorant bullshit, they let their mental health deteriorate even if it might not always have been outwardly obvious. And shocker, their children suffered as a result because mental issues are often hereditary and it only gets worse if the parental figure has done jack shit in addressing it.
My mother has severe anxiety (which she got from her mother). And big shock, both due to being her biological child and being raised by someone with that mindset who never got it treated to some degree, I ended up turning out the same way. However, when I had an emotional breakdown in middle school after being unable to socialize with barely anyone and just feeling overwhelmed, my principal contacted my parents and advised them to immediately get me in group therapy. And it did me wonders. Yes, I’m still anxious more than most 20 years later, but nowhere near the level my mom is at sometimes because she never saw a psychiatrist. And lord, don’t get me started on what my grandmother was like, she was a total wreck.
Point being is it’s wonderful that society is finally at a point where seeking aid for mental health is no longer considered a laughable option. Even if some don’t seek it, it’s undeniable that more are seeking it than in the past. Christ, if there hadn’t been such ignorant beliefs regarding mental issues back then, a lot of our veterans might have been able to live happier post-war lives instead of dealing with PTSD and such for all those years. Lord knows they deserved happier lives after experiencing such hells, but the older society’s own ignorance prevented that.
Halo is Back
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It's the cultural shift to breed politically correct snowflake people.
Halo is Back
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I don't disagree with you, but I think there is a big difference between taking care of your mental health and being overly sensitive to criticism or people that you disagree with. We are seeing a generation of people who live online that constantly seek attention and validation. Both are very damaging to one's mental health, and there are plenty of studies that show this. I would also argue cancel culture is the exact opposite of promoting mental health and social justice. Trying to de-platform people and heavily condemning them for the mistake of the day. However, I will say that society has become more tolerant and accepting of different groups of people. People who were historically discriminated against in the past.
As far as your PTSD comment goes with veterans, you have to understand that Psychology and especially mental health is still a new/young field of science. One that is continuously underfunded despite how serious our society perceives it. The military will always try to play catchup with these sorts of things, and Western society didn't start research into PTSD-like symptoms until after WW1 because they couldn't explain all of the horrible symptoms veterans had despite no physical damage received. While I agree it is a shame how untreated veterans were for mental illness throughout history, we simply didn't have enough data and research yet to effectively treat the condition until later in the 20th century.
clem84
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I wish her luck in her career but I don't predict it will exactly be fun for her. I'm honestly floored how a public figure who's been playing in front of large crowds for quite some time now can be so mentally fragile. The hecklers are not going away. She'll need to find a way to deal with them or her professional Tennis career will destroy her.
I can also vaguely remember a reporter asking a question she didn't like and it sent her into tears. The public life isn't for everyone.
Excess
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A major part of the current generational culture is that social media has caused us to aspire to lifestyles that are unobtainable. Whereas, in the past, you looked to no one beyond your neighbors and close friends to compare your life to others. I'm pretty convinced this plays a major role in generational resentment.
Unfortunately, it's just mass delusion. You're not owed a lifestyle.
Unfortunately, it's just mass delusion. You're not owed a lifestyle.
DeepBreath87
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Most people didn’t live past their 30s or 40s. This was the case really up until the last 125 years or so.
Older society really didn’t have time to devote to staring into the mirror long enough to solve the existential question of “why am I sad today?”
Look I am joking a bit but, I don’t want to be dismissive of what you went through. The fact that you have been able to pull yourself to a better place should be commended. But I’m not really referring to addressing mental health problems as some kind of failing. Quite the opposite. What you did was hard. It was and probably still is work. You had to be willing to be honest with yourself about what you weren’t doing well and address it. That is great. That’s doing what you should do.
What I am talking about are people who expect the world to bend over backwards to accommodate them. If instead of putting on all the work you did to address your anxiety, you had gone to your school or job and demanded they create a safe space for you because they, not you, were responsible for managing your emotions, you’d be in the category I’m talking about. If you had embraced your anxiety as a part of your identity outside of your control, instead of taking responsibility to manage it as best you can.
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Toons
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Being dumb is a whole different can of worms than being weak or strong.
Toons
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That's hardly more than arbitrary semantics. The fact is the quantity of people is hardly relevant when your weighing basic human response to the probem. Someone who faces down a threat from one man is brave, and someone who faces a threat from 10000 men are brave. Zelenksyy is brave to stay in Ukraine. Rosa Parks was brave to stand up to one idiot who demanded she give up her seat.
This is especially the case when you are facing the same problem someone 60 years ago was facing like racism. Anyone, and I mean anyone, who stands in defiance of that hate is brave in my book. Because for every one Naomi Osaka there are a whole lot more people who didn't get that opportunity, or got that opportunity and didn't take it. But we don't read about those ones. Just like it was with Rosa parks. She wasn't the first person to be told to give up her seat. She probably wasn't even the first one to refuse. But she was brave for doing so. And it shows immense strength of character either way.
Some will disagree but fact is few will ever be in exact same position shes in anyway.
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Just curious what you've had to bend over backwards for? Not being snarky, just wondering. I'm 40, white and Canadian and haven't really felt like I have to do anything like that. The most inconvenienced I've felt lately is the traffic caused by the clown convoys.
Davey Cakes
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Millennials are old now, and we’ve been through a very transformative and bizarre period in history. Our access to information has revealed the flaws of our society and we get beaten with the brutal reality every day.
It’s not possible to live in blissful ignorance anymore.
It’s not possible to live in blissful ignorance anymore.
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IzukuMidoriya
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I'm at the very end of the millennials (1995) and I hate both. I want to be in my senior year in 2014 again but I also know I have to live in the future.
FullMetalx117
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Also 1995 and also would like to go back to senior year. Sure now have access to any game I want, really anything else I want, but the repetitive beat down of work culture is not worth it - I’m glad it’s being called out by us soft people.
Ehhh I think an older millenial would think more like “nobody is special”. As in those suits, wealthy people in upper society, are honestly not that different from you and me, they’re not really that gifted or smarter - they just happened to get lucky or know the right people. If you rose from nothing and managed to make it to their level, you would know it’s pretty dumb.
Also I find it idiotic that boomers can be considered tough, heroes, hardened because they fought in a war lived through tough times. Sure, war strains society but it’s certainly not something to aspire towards and barely something to feel proud about. Why was the war fought in the first place? Why couldn’t it have been prevented? War is literally one of the most prehistoric, useless, backwards, dumb thing a human could do. Humans are destined for something greater than fighting amongst ourselves imo.
Just look at the current Ukraine-Russia situation and the commentary from older U.S. folk. It’s a boomer orgy all around.
nush
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Don't worry, automation and outsourcing will solve your work problems.
strange headache
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mclaren777
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This book should be required reading in this country. Every parent must read it, as should everybody who has to manage/supervise anybody under the age of 30.
Toons
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I wasn't talking about physical strength...
Soodanim
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This is going to be controversial, and remember that this is NOT meant to be political. (I hate communism and everything associated with it....)
It's a somewhat humorous anecdotal example to try to prove OP's point.
Socialists/communists from a century ago (tough conditions; tough-looking; etc):
Socialists/communists from half a century ago (tough conditions; tough-looking,; etc):
Millennial socialists/communists (LMAO...):
Socialist/communists from previous generations would be shaking their heads at how soft their millennial/Gen Z counterparts seem by comparison.
(Mods, if for some reason you think this crosses into the political -- when it's not meant to -- I'd be OK with taking this post down. Thanks)
That video is something else. I’ve never seen people talk like that in real life, I thought when people posted like that it was always tongue in cheek. I’m astounded. I had to see it to believe it.
GeekyDad
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As an older person, I wouldn't even call it delusions. I see it for what it is. We're just bitching and moaning 'cause it ain't the way it used to be, what we got used to.
But yeah, I agree, it sure seems to be nothing new. Older generation whining about the behavior of the younger generation. Honestly, I think I was worse than most of these kids when I was their age. I'm still trying to clean up my shittiness.
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kurisu_1974
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You are thinking of the Lost Generation. Boomers are from after WWII.
Soodanim
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It’s even it the name: they’re the post-war baby boom generation, or “baby boomers”
People have no idea what the words they use mean
Zeroing
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Wars and killing people because they were different....the dark ages were a blast too with life expectancy to be 30.
Brian Fellows
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Soft compared to who? Baby boomers are the biggest fucking cunts on the planet and Gen Xers are pretty much irrelevant.
Maiden Voyage
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It's a great book and worth a read for sure. The only problem is that people don't have the attention span for long-term solutions, which is a whole other issue.This book should be required reading in this country. Every parent must read it, as should everybody who has to manage/supervise anybody under the age of 30.
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