Why I'm Making My Husband Miss The Super Bowl
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If we do everything based on the intrinsic benefit to society then what the fuck is the point of individualism, ever.
I imagine he'll be too upset to even want to sex her.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
individualism your ass to making some medicine...
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no I was just saying that I believe Entertainment does have a large role in society..not that you should have hobbies for the good of socitey..
Herpes Reasons
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i think opiate's linear line of thinking is to find any measurable degree of positive value to society. but i agree with you.
its difficult to find the tone in just words. i do try to behave outside the nba thread
Devolution
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Oh I get that, it just seemed like what Opiate has been saying the last couple of pages. That anything that doesn't fit his definition of a hobby that has greater benefits is unproductive. Frankly I think that's bogus.
SteveWinwood
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This thread got way too deep. I'm trying to remember all my philosophy from thay 7000 class I took.
I dont remember it.
I dont remember it.
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Opiate
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Let me ask this to Opiate...
Say Team X wins the Superbowl in a few minutes. Every staffer that has worked for that team then gets paid out extra monetary compensation because the team has achieved the ultimate goal it set out to do, and made of ton of money in the process.
Does the staffer not receiving the extra monetary compensation based the team's performance hold objective value? That money can be spent to send a child to school, pay medical bills, buy a new car, buy a new computer, et al, reinvesting the money back into the economy and creating more jobs.
Does that not count as objective value? Didn't winning the Superbowl create more than just a "placebo" effect under my scenario?
And I am not even listing out any extra money generated by the Superbowl existing in the first place.
Say Team X wins the Superbowl in a few minutes. Every staffer that has worked for that team then gets paid out extra monetary compensation because the team has achieved the ultimate goal it set out to do, and made of ton of money in the process.
Does the staffer not receiving the extra monetary compensation based the team's performance hold objective value? That money can be spent to send a child to school, pay medical bills, buy a new car, buy a new computer, et al, reinvesting the money back into the economy and creating more jobs.
Does that not count as objective value? Didn't winning the Superbowl create more than just a "placebo" effect under my scenario?
And I am not even listing out any extra money generated by the Superbowl existing in the first place.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Well, for the employees (not happening with you since you work for the ******** first round exiters) it would be productive for them... since one of their duties is providing for their family..
You're talking about an employee with a monetary interest, he's talking about a fan that has nothing to gain but some extra endorphins.
Don't be like that.
Those aren't mutually exclusive to begin with. Without fans there is no monetary value to be created for a team winning a championship. The whole system runs on the support of monetary injection based on fandom. It's all part of the system.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
lol sorry couldn't help myself..
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He did refer to the super bowl as an "ultimately silly game" as a whole.
ConradCervantes
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SouthernDragon
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Actually, if someone's hobby was exercise, that would be beneficial to society. They'd be in better health which would reduce health care costs and act as a form of preventive medicine.
True, didn't think of that....
I don't. Can you please explain?
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This again relates back to my analogy of ineffective medical therapies.
We can agree that some people enjoy and have fun with exercise, correct? My best friend is an example: he's a cardiologist who unwinds by running and lifting weights.
So your method of having fun is not necessarily better than his: he may even be having more fun than you. Or the other way around. It's impossible to say. Let's just agree that you're both having fun. In that case:
1) You both have fun
2) He also improves himself physically. You do not.
His way of relaxing and having fun strikes me as objectively superior, but I'm willing to listen to arguments to the contrary.
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what the fuck
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
I enjoy reading.. being a history major I still study history as a hobby.. I get smarter, while your friend doesn't..
Which one of us is winning?
I think assigning values to a hobby is a poor way of looking at hobbies...
Perhaps a genius listens to music and gets insipred while listening and creates something useful to the world.. we cannot place a tangible value on it really....
Of course it does. But that money could have been generated by anything that people happen to care about -- it isn't specific or inherent to Football.
If everyone in America instead loved Jai Alai, then suddenly that person's income is no longer dependent on American Rules Football, and is instead dependent on Jai Alai. Or maybe we all loved watching Starcraft 2 matches instead. Or debating objective meaning. It doesn't matter; we could in theory have attached interest to anything. It just so happens we have attached interest to American Rules Football in our particular culture. If you looked at any other culture in history, it would be different.
There's nothing inherent in the game of football that makes it particularly or especially worth as much money as it is. Again, if people stopped caring about American Rules Football tomorrow, then the staffer's ability to make a living on it would disappear, overnight.
Blackace said:
Between reading and exercise? That's difficult to say without more specifics. But between reading and watching Football? Almost certainly reading.
ClovingWestbrook
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Why are we analyzing what 'fun' is more valuable?
Rentahamster
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We all still seem to be arguing based on different definitions of what it is to be meaningful.
ClovingWestbrook
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Agreed. Why are we even arguing or debating this?
blame space
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the board is self-actualizing
It's a very interesting discussion: analysis is always fun, and I always enjoy criticizing my own behaviors. Why do I make the choices I make? Could I make better ones?
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Because Opiate offended some people with statements such as:
He didn't mean to but it's understandable why people would take offense to these statements.
ClovingWestbrook
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Wow.
Watching the end of the super bowl just shows the unique type of entertainment it provides. It's like watching a movie, complete with twists and turns, heroes and villains, tension, and climax. Except it's a movie that no one knows the outcome, and that everyone watches at the same time and experiences the ending together. It's a very unique type of entertainment, and one that should be treated with respect for those that enjoy it. Rereading this wife's declaration further cements the fact that she doesn't have a clue, doesn't want to attempt understand, and somehow actually experiences joy at her ability to take this entertainment away from the person she loves. Ridiculous
ClovingWestbrook
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Opiate, you have just put down thousands of people. I'm quite surprised and disappointed in you.
In what way? Please explain.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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It wasn't really bad until you said that you thought they were "above this" seeming to imply you're better than them. It comes off as obnoxiously condescending. I'm not sure how you don't see that by now.
You put it much more succinctly than I would have. Thanks. I also like the fact that this is in the form of a question, but without a question mark. I doubt it was on purpose, but it works.
bengraven
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I think he was being sarcastic. Which might go to the heart of the issue. I think you're taking it a bit too seriously. And this is coming from one of your supporters who agrees with you on the ridiculousness.
I don't mean people should be above watching sports: I also watch sports and also enjoy video games. I just expected other people would be able to recognize that those pass times are silly and childish. I tend to think of GAF as a mature place, and it surprises me when it isn't. It would be like finding out that GAF not only enjoys My Little Pony (which is fine) but believe it is a great work of heartbreaking genius (which it isn't).
If that offends people, I apologize; it certainly isn't intended.
bengraven said:
I'm doing my best to remain dispassionate and considerate of other people's preferences and ideas. While I cannot speak for you in particular, I know that many people take my deliberately dispassionate and calm demeanor for "too serious."
faceless007
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Opiate isn't advocating that people should only do things for the benefit of society. He's made this clear many times.
ClovingWestbrook
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You are basically arguing that what thousands of people enjoy is 'silly' and a waste. You routinely take things so seriously and seem incapable of just relaxing and enjoying having fun without analyzing the ins and outs. Many people dont find following sports 'silly'. It gives them the same type of pleasure and enjoyment as reading, exercize, learning how to cook, traveling, etc. You have said generalizations are not accepted on this forum that put people down but you've done just that with those statements. Many people use their enjoyment of sport to get them through difficult times in their lives. Times when sport is the only thing that can offer them joy. That isn't silly in the least.
But this discussion has moved away from football specifically to sports in general. You stated that sports holds no objective value. I gave you examples of how it does.
You cannot just say that at the end of the day it still holds no objective value because it can be replaced by another similar activity. By that line of thinking, you are making the argument that any activity that can produce the same subjective and/or objective results hold no objective value because they are replaceable by another similarly equal activity.
If Shakespeare wrote music instead of literature and produced equally important work for society is not an argument against literature or Shakespeare writing McBeth instead of a symphony written in D Minor.
"Jai Alai could provide the same level of economic benefit and subjective mental effects over football" is not an argument for or against football because you subjectively dismissed both. Comparing one to the other is a false equivalency.
The reality is that sports provide economic, technological (Formula 1 technology trickling down to mass-consumer vehicles), medical (already provided examples of medical achievements that were produced from sports medicine) and other subjective (as written about ad nauseum) benefits.
You are deciding to dismiss sports based on your own subjective criteria of what society should and should not be doing as meaningful activity.
And I'd argue that in and of itself is objective value because that is the reality we live in. Jai Alai holds very little (or no) objective value in our society because it is not popular enough to influence society on a greater scale.
SouthernDragon
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It seems people are having trouble teasing apart the different between "This is silly" and "I do it anyways."
I enjoy League of Legends. I also enjoy learning piano. Every hour I spend on LoL is an hour better spent on piano. I recognize this, and if someone points it out I readily admit to it. I still play LoL daily, though.
I enjoy League of Legends. I also enjoy learning piano. Every hour I spend on LoL is an hour better spent on piano. I recognize this, and if someone points it out I readily admit to it. I still play LoL daily, though.
ClovingWestbrook
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Who says learning piano is more valuable than playing LoL? Please explain.
It is silly. Lots of people also believe in religions which aren't true; that must be true by definition, as many of the world's thousands of religions are mutually exclusive.
I'm not sure what else you want me to say.
I have fun by analyzing. This is how I unwind and entertain myself. I'm not sure what the problem is.
Invalid. Argumentum ad populum.
I'm not putting people down; I'm putting pass times down. If you can't suggest that certain beliefs or behaviors are silly, then we can have no discussion at all. Many people enjoy many things which are a waste of time. For example, eating hostess cupcakes is extremely unhealthy and is a poor dietary choice. Am I ridiculing people by making that clearly objectively true claim? Millions of people eat hostess cupcakes. And yet, that doesn't make eating them a good choice, and we can objectively measure its value (or lack thereof).
This could be said of literally anything. There are people who passionately love Hello Kitty, and whose love of Hello Kitty has helped them through hard times; that doesn't make Hello Kitty a serious or inherently meaningful creation.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Ya... That explanation totally did not help at all. You just come off as condescending whether you mean to or not.
ClovingWestbrook
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Reilo made an excellent point about technology and medical treatmente being developed in sport trickling down to society in general. Meaningless? No.
What about the social aspect of these activities?
When I play video games, I may not improve my intelligence or physical abilities, but I can tell you right now I have made several good friends through video games (and I'm talking about real life friends, not online). I play games with these people, socialize with them, unwind and talk about our work days, etc.
Is friendship not a valuable thing gained from a hobby? Why does a hobby have to improve you as a person? Why can it not instead improve someone else's life by gaining you as a friend?
The same concept applies to watching sports. Many people watch sports with friends/family.
Dutch Gronk
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If only I had a girlfriend to make me miss this Super Bowl 
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entremet
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Yep. Bad timing.
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