Why is racism in high fashion still wildly accepted?
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DoktorEvil
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Necromanti
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No, but if there are actively exclusionary practices in place or a latent yet pervasive belief of white skin being more beautiful that makes its way into high fashion, then it would be hard to deny some form of prejudice or racism underlying it.
I wouldn't be surprised given the post that person was responding to. Certain mindsets are more prevalent than we'd like to believe, and is rarely taken seriously enough as an issue that needs discussion in society.
Seriously. Can us ugly people get some representation (╯︵╰,)
Yes. Preference. Do black guys wear the overpriced shit they are trying to sell? If not, why on earth would you use them to market it?
I demand more white athlete basketball sneakers! End the racism!
Well, I assume we're talking about the American fashion industry. And, yeah. If any industry does not have participation roughly equal to the racial demographics of the US, there's probably some racial bias.
I am continuously surprised by the stupid shit posted on GAF.
You win stupid shit post of the week... genius.
The statement is pretty ridiculous, but so is the notion that someone can post on here that they think "black people are better than white people." It was massive baiting on both sides.
DoktorEvil
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Good looking and skinny are taken to extremes in fashion.
The fashion world likes rail thin, high cheekbones, pointy jawed, skeletons of humans. It's about modeling the clothes, not the person.
JordanN
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Devolution
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Minorities lack representation in several forms of media, not just high fashion modeling. This is not a defense of it but the reasons tend to overlap.
Delta Assault
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I dunno OP, I see Naomi Campbell in all sorts of magazines.
CrazyDogg77
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Yes black guys wear high fashion clothing. So why wouldn't they be used to market it?
So you think white people are too racist to buy a product modeled by black people?
zeopower6
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Actually lately models have been less skeletal than before... but male models tend to be a bit thinner than they were ~before~ when they were beefier.
Naomi is a Blasian LEGEND. So in her case, she's going to always get work. She's also got The Face going on so she has to promote that.
Naomi is a Blasian LEGEND. So in her case, she's going to always get work. She's also got The Face going on so she has to promote that.
I wouldn't say it's all western standards of beauty. I think some of it especially in asian societies can be linked back the fact that people who worked in the field had darker skin and the royalty that stayed inside had lighter skin. So it led to some of those countries putting a perceived value on skin tone.
why do they have to be white to be identifiable
So I'm wrong for disliking a race I'm a part of that's responsible for some really fucked up shit in history that I completely disapprove of and disagree with? Sorry, I don't think "white is right", quite the opposite really.
Really tired of discrimination against minorities, it gets fucking old. I remember being young and learning about America being the melting pot... then I grew up and realized that whites have been dominating and discriminating against other races for all of history. Makes me sick.
Because modern fashion was created by white countries, most fashion magazines are created/printed/distributed in majority white countries, the readership of most of these fashion magazines are white people etc.
It'll probably never change, unless you have like white people be 10% of the population of France, Italy, UK, USA where the majority of fashion is really.
It'll probably never change, unless you have like white people be 10% of the population of France, Italy, UK, USA where the majority of fashion is really.
Devolution
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Maybe if there were more black models they wouldn't get arrested at Barney's for trying to buy an expensive belt.
That really isnt any better of a genesis.
I learned in this thread that black people do not wear this stuff....so clearly they were stealing.
I'm tired of idiots who want to blame anything but racism when a practice is clearly racist.
Crumpet Trumpet
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What opinion are you referring to, specifically?
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Vicetrailia
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Fashion is easy to mock. It's a global industry, yet its eurocentric.
Diversity is less today than it was during the 70s up until the end of the supermodel era.
High fashion is reticent and safe. Spotlight pressure needs to be applied from minorities, the bigwigs need to set examples of change and then viola, trending change all of the way down.
Diversity is less today than it was during the 70s up until the end of the supermodel era.
High fashion is reticent and safe. Spotlight pressure needs to be applied from minorities, the bigwigs need to set examples of change and then viola, trending change all of the way down.
DoktorEvil
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I might be in the minority here(pun intended) but I don't need brown people on my screen to tell me when something is good media or bad media.
Sneakers and caps and "streetwear" is not considered high fashion, although it does feel that way a lot.
I think more people vote with the pocketbook and less about what skin color wears the clothes.
In a world where serfdom is eliminated, this can't be the possible reason. I still believe it has to do with the pocketbook.
I didn't mean that as the only origin. I meant that the reason for the higher value placed on lighter skin tone is varied and not something that you can pin on one reason.
Not really. Fair/lighter skin has been an issue in India long before they even knew what colonization was. It's what the caste system originally started as. Same goes for other places like China and Korea, in which darker individuals were considered workers in the sun, and of a lesser status. Sure now the issue has only been exacerbated by globalization led by the West, but it's not because they are copying the West.
Devolution
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I don't even know what the hell you're getting at here.
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Yup. Skin tone preference evolved in places like Africa, South Asia and East Asia all independently due to the reasons you said.... and then they were unfortunately complimented by European colonialism and association with European power. (actually in South Asia it was due to Aryan colonialism..... but that was real Aryans, thousands of years ago, who took over the area and made their light skin associated with power).
But when you see shit like Koreans "I want a high bridged nose!" that's all caucasian media influence. Like, who the fuck even notices that and why is it better?
What in the flying fuck am I reading?
I agree with this post.
This is true... in the Phillipines, the Spaniard-mixed Filipinos are the "beautiful" people in the media (celebrities, news, movies, TV shows etc) while the darker native Filipinos (the original islanders, not mixed with Spaniard) are considered to be 'ugly' and represent a small part of the overall wealth distribution IIRC.
That's quite the euphemism there....
freenudemacusers
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sidestepping some of the .. weird... posts in this thread...
i don't know if this is a chicken or egg scenario. you have minority designers, say alexander wang or olivier rousteing, just to name two off the top of my head, primarily working with white models. but then you have alexander mcqueen who has had a couple of black-only presentaions, rick owens' step thing last year, and so on. so I don't know if at some point it becomes an issue of selection, editorial/buyer (buyer as in store buyer) demand, or what. fwiw, I don't like it, and often when i see nods to non-western culture it strikes me as a little touristy and superficial. or in the case of dolce and gabbana or dsquared, faintly racist heh.
*now that's how you do observant fashion racism folks!
i don't know if this is a chicken or egg scenario. you have minority designers, say alexander wang or olivier rousteing, just to name two off the top of my head, primarily working with white models. but then you have alexander mcqueen who has had a couple of black-only presentaions, rick owens' step thing last year, and so on. so I don't know if at some point it becomes an issue of selection, editorial/buyer (buyer as in store buyer) demand, or what. fwiw, I don't like it, and often when i see nods to non-western culture it strikes me as a little touristy and superficial. or in the case of dolce and gabbana or dsquared, faintly racist heh.
of course they do, and if we required men's high fashion models to match their buyer counterparts, it would be nothing but chinese and southeast asians on the runway*.
*now that's how you do observant fashion racism folks!
curious as to how you define men's high fashion
This sounds terrible and nonsensicial. What do you mean?
Atraveller
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There's a twitter account for that.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Don't you also think homophobia is just a "different opinion"
Necromanti
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There are gay people who are strongly homophobic, and women who are strong misogynistic, so belonging to the group you are directing hate towards doesn't say much about whether it is right, wrong, or justified, but what it is, is counter-intuitive and unhelpful unless you have evidence of it actually helping the groups affected by systematic discrimination. This doesn't seem like a situation where "fighting fire with fire" actually focuses on those who perpetuate inequality.
CrazyDogg77
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Trust me. I know what high fashion is and black guys wear it. I find it very strange how dismissive of my statement you were and jumped to streetwear which was never even brought up in the conversation
Gold_Loot
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Every race has had thier inhumane barbaric age. Wars weren't always white on black, but black on black, white on white - Ect..
I also think what you're saying isn't very fair for the millions of white (or any color really) people who aren't racist either.
I would like to see pictures of these models and compare to these other types. Make all types of comparisons for your areas to see if there is any truth to this.
Who is this?
zeopower6
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Priyanka Chopra, an actress.
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