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[Firestorm]

I will never understand people holding onto the Pokemon anime 20 years later as something that's supposed to be of high quality. It's a bad children's show. It exists to market toys and video games at children. It's not a lot better in Japanese. You're mad they changed the music. That isn't dumbing it down.

Game remixes would be better but if you're cringing it's because you're listening to the script in your native language.

Also, TPCI, not TCPI. It's The Pokemon Company International, not The Company Pokemon International.

 

[BodiesWithoutOrgans]

Thank goodness for those unsung heroes on the internet that sub anime for the fans

So we get the real experience

 

[I-hate-u]

WHY DO ALL OF YOU GET THE PIZZA, WHILE I GET THE CRUST?!” AND “WAIT A MINUTE! WHY AM I LAUGHING? I’M SUPPOSED TO BE DEPRESSED!

OP, this shit happens, and has been happening for a long time.

 

[JustSomeone]

The voice acting and soundtrack are the least of this show's problems.

 

[Poltergust]

I wonder if the show would have been better off introducing a new protagonist for each generation instead of having the same character through all of them. That way it makes sense for the protagonist to be clueless about Pokemon and each generation can be repurposed for a new age group. It will also allow more flexibility for character development and story resolutions (Ash still hasn't won a single league?).

The only problem with this is Pikachu, but they can find some random reason to keep him present throughout the entire show.

It's too late to change things up like that, though. Ash is here to stay, for better or worse.

 

[Dark Ninja]

Stopped watching the Dub for a few years after they replaced the Original Dub Cast (while the edits weren't great, I found it enjoyable. Veronica Taylor will always be my Ash). Since I came back to watching it, I went to the Japanese ver instead.

I did the same the new Ash is terrible. I don't understand why they replace the music in the English dub except for when an instrumental of an opening japanese op song is used. The English dub is terrible now.

 

[JoeM86]

I wonder if the show would have been better off introducing a new protagonist for each generation instead of having the same character through all of them. That way it makes sense for the protagonist to be clueless about Pokemon and each generation can be repurposed for a new age group. It will also allow more flexibility for character development and story resolutions (Ash still hasn't won a single league?).

The only problem with this is Pikachu, but they can find some random reason to keep him present throughout the entire show.

It's too late to change things up like that, though. Ash is here to stay, for better or worse.

When other animes, including Yo-kai Watch, introduce new protagonists, it doesn't end well. Even Yo-kai Watch, which is popular, seems to have massive rating drops when it's a USApyon episode rather than a Nate episode.

Besides, it wouldn't do much. It'd be a similar protagonist with a similar goal. It'd be an aesthetic change above all else.

Besides, people overstate the issue regarding Pikachu and Ash. Pikachu only lost to Snivy at the start of Black & White because it had been severely weakened from an attack by Zekrom. It can easily be put in game terms for people to understand.

Because Pokemon is a cartoon, and cartoons are for kids, and kids can't deal with more mature themes.

You need to watch XY then. The XY series has had some dark themes. A lot of references to death and loss in it. It's just not gratuitous.

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As for the whole "Ash is still 10" crap. Really? It's a long running animated series. They seldom age their characters. Why is this an issue with Pokémon and not The Simpsons or Family Guy (granted it has aged the characters like 1 to 2 years in the 20 years since it began), or the Jetsons etc.? Besides, they reference the passage of time. If it wasn't for the start of Black & White's series calling Ash 10 again, this wouldn't be an issue as his age is never mentioned, especially considering how Ash is drawn and acts more mature these days.

 

[SoulUnison]

Whoa, what's going on in this topic?
The OP has so much stuff embedded in it it caused my phone to crash in ways I didn't know were possible.
It crashed to a black screen, crashed to desktop, then tried telling me I had -0 missed calls.

 

[Dunkley]

Whoa, what's going on in this topic?
The OP has so much stuff embedded in it it caused my phone to crash in ways I didn't know were possible.
It crashed to a black screen, crashed to desktop, then tried telling me I had -0 missed calls.

 

[VariantX]

Have you watched the latest season? Because Ash rarely use Pikachu. Plus Pikachu is the series mascot they aren't going to get rid of him.

I've watched the first four or five so far. I usually do that, then wait until the season ends and find out what episodes the gym battles are on and just watch those. I can't watch the full seasons anymore and just skip to the gym battles.

 

[Piers]

WHY DO ALL OF YOU GET THE PIZZA, WHILE I GET THE CRUST?!” AND “WAIT A MINUTE! WHY AM I LAUGHING? I’M SUPPOSED TO BE DEPRESSED!

OP, this shit happens, and has been happening for a long time.

This reeks of 4kids and I feel angry now.
What I hated the most was when they used cello/violin cords during serious drama/saddening moments like they're taking the piss.
I think the webmaster of DBZ Uncut said it best when executives felt afraid that too much serious storytelling might anger moms.

Game remixes would be better but if you're cringing it's because you're listening to the script in your native language.

This is also my reasoning as to why so many people are quick to bash that dub sucks when they're not (always) bad. The scriptwriting is potentially corny ass, and that can be softened by reading the subtitles instead of having to hear it performed.
Or basically: manga/anime fans don't want to admit that the writing isn't as great as they want to believe.

 

[Tivor Tontomo]

Now I know you don't watch the animé otherwise you would have known that that level don't exist in the animé universe.



Have you watched the latest season? Because Ash rarely use Pikachu. Plus Pikachu is the series mascot they aren't going to get rid of him.



They weren't that great, Red was a lot dumber than Ash.



You should have seen how long it took Ash to get his final Sinnoh Gym Badge...it took a year. ¬_¬;



So long as the Pokémon series keep going Ash's Journey will not end either.



I still watch it, though I haven't kept up with gen 6 as Ash's team is just boring.



Why do people keep going on about this minor and pointless fact?

Yeah Ash is Ten so what? You're watching a show that has a yellow electric mouse shooting a bolt of lighting from his cheek, reality clearly does not apply to what is a children show.

Basically Ash is Ten so he can appeal to the children that watch the show no matter what generation Ash is in.

The last one isnt a valid excuse when they doubled down he was 11 during the first several seasons.

 

[Tivor Tontomo]

One of the main reasons why I rarely watch dubs. A lot of the times, the VA is inconsistent especially if it's a massive series.

Ranma 1/2 was an example where Ranma's English voice got changed multiple times.

I'd imagine it'd be much worse for Children's anime where they episode count is usually in the hundreds.

Ranma only had two Voice Actors for the guy form and the same voice throughout for the female form. Also The japanese did this for Ranma as well.

Most anime for children have the same voice actors to completion, you seem to be making yourself hate dubs artificially.

 

[Tivor Tontomo]

Because it was meant to be shown to kids on american TV, .

You must not have seen many American cartoons that pass through. or watched Yu Gi Oh which the American version is incidentally darker than the Japanese version.

IO mean holy crap, the Joey, and Spike guy doing that Mech Suit Fight *on themselves* during the Seal arc was nonsense in the Japanese version and couldnt be taken seriously no matter how hard you tried.

 

[neurosyphilis]

Happens to almost all anime to a degree. Cartoons are for children in the west .

The Dragon ball Mexican dubs are so much better than the American ones. Also not censored.

The only way to watch DBZ is the Funimation dub. That's like one of the only anime I heard die hard Anime fans say should be watched in english dub.

DBZ+Funimation+CartoonNetwork+Bruce Falconer=GOAT

 

[Slamtastic]

Did you guys see that Pretty Cure is on Netflix now? Except it's Glitter Force and it's dubbed about as well as the 90s Sailor Moon/Cardcaptors dubs.

Except for having a cast of talented and experienced voice actors doing a great job and sounding great!

Also are you a big fan of Smile Pretty Cure, or just upset at an adaptation of something being inaccurate on some kind of principle?

Frankly most liberal translations/jokes added by Saban in Glitter Force hit well and help the show be a very funny self aware take on the genre.

I'd even say more shows should have Ghost Stories/Samurai Pizza Cats type of free reign.

The loss of game remixes in Pokemon is a bummer, I admit.

 

[Link1110]

Well, not all the TCPI US songs are bad. I'm particularly fond of the Rival Destinies song, which sounds like what would happen if you mixed the first opening of Naruto and the Diamond and Pearl opening High Touch. I can't say its better than its Japanese counterpart though, since I love Yajirushi ni Natte (especially the 2012 remix for the "Episode N" arc.)

I haven't watched the show since Gen 3, though but I'd imagine most anime is dumbed down for kids outside Japan. If you want an example of A japanese kids show that most parents in the west would never show to their kids, check out Linkara's review of part of Zyuranger here: http://channelawesome.com/at4w-kyoryu-sentai-zyuranger-episodes-17-22/

And aside from the music you pointed out in that movie, the ending song is NOWHERE near the quality of Scandal's Yoake no Ryuuseigun, which was used in the Japanese version.

And that voice acting... Ugh! I can't watch the new episodes in English because the new Ash, well... In the words of il Neige "Veronica Taylor you are not!" I could say that for the entire new cast.