Why is there so much rape in Yaoi?
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MetroidPrimeRib
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Whats the excuse for straight hentai?
Daviddo-kun?????
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
There's no "excuse" for straight hentai (I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this, though) anymore than there's an excuse for the most popular video games being murder simulators (e.g. Nathan Drake kills 1,000 people) or regular porn's existence (90% of porn involves inappropriate delusional fantasy scenarios).
The fuck?
Yuri is covered it too, you're just not looking in the right areas.
Also while not exactly my cup of Tea (Rape Yaoi) Yaoi has a ton of non rape as well it just seems like it gets more eyes on it because of some many people liking the whole chase factor but honestly being as invested as I am in both Yaoi and Yuri I see nearly just as much Rape in Yuri, even more when you consider the amount of Male on Lesbian Rape that occurs as part of Yuri material.
Seriously. I can't look at any sexual anime media without feeling like the feds are about to pound on my door all because someone decided shit with adults is the same thing as with fucking 12 year olds.
Christ. Why is that even a thing?
Ryzaki009
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XD Man nothing took me out of the oooh yeaaah when I was playing Kichiku Megane than that forced scene with that kid. I couldn't even avoid it
Got mash skip now. And then there was the one that had the kid screaming and crying and I was like why is this in here when everyone else in the cast is ~30. Why. I didn't come in here for this shit.I have no idea and why they insist on mixing it with stuff that other than that one kid has everyone else obviously adult. It's the most bizzare shit. And yeah it always makes me cringe because I could explain the porn but the freaking kid? Come on now.
timetokill
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Except that yaoi is probably the biggest subgroup in western fandom as well. Check any fanfic site.
Crossing Eden
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Ding ding ding.
To the bolded, it's because it's easier to joke than to acknowledge and incredibly problematic aspect of media. ಠ_ಠ
Oh man. I'm so glad I'm not alone here. This is such an accurate way to put it.
There has to be some sort of way to avoid this crap.
thats the best quality of that gif ive ever seen, the thread was worth it just for that
SomethingWitty
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I think that straight hentai usually appeals to heterosexual men. Why rape (or NTR) in straight hentai?
Well to use Laura Mulvey's paper "Visual pleasure and narrative cinema," (hentai is not quite cinema but I guess it's close enough) heterosexual men get pleasure (read get turned on) by putting women into sadistic situations while at the same time fetishising them. Mulvey and Freud derive this by saying this makes the man believe he is still in power.
I guess you can use this to explain rape as a source of pleasure in porn.
Analyzing why rape is prominent in hentai is actually a really good question; it can shed a light on why different cultures and sexual orientations view some things as sexually pleasurable and can lead back to issues in sociology or psychology.
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Or really, anyone who likes this fantasy. It isn't limited to women. The Seme / Uke relationship structure is common in yaoi, and that involves things like power and dominance. Let the fangirls and the rest have their damn fantasies man, it's all good.
How do you explain bara comics then? Most (not all, thankfully) bara mangas I saw were full of rapey, non-consent hard BDSM material. Gengoroh Tagame is one of the most popular bara artist, his works are published in gay magazines, and yet a lot of his mangas are about really abusive relationships, tortures involving defecating and peeing, rapes etc. But then he can also write/draw some sweet and interesting stories (eg. "My brother's husband", about straight guy who deals with the idea that his late brother was gay after he meets his husband).
That's not the issue. I don't care about individual's rape fetishism , what want to know why it's so pervasive there but not elsewhere.
Really. I'm not as well-versed as in yuri but when I get hankering for it I can pick at random and more often than not there wouldn't be rape. Not the same can said for yaoi. And the rape yaoi vastly outnumbers the nonrape yaoi in my experience. The only well told, well drawn non rape yaoi I know is Blood Bank and some stuff by Zaria.
You aren't ready for that level of cringe
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Except its a cultural difference that you're almost never going to be able to explain or understand. From the perspective of the people writing it, the key point is likely that its not real and there's no evidence that deviance in videogames/media is correlated with deviance in real life. Japanese society, social mores and gender roles differ wildly from what we expect in the west as well. Don't take that as a defense of the genre and its tropes, its just that I don't think you can try to probe why something like that is considered okay in another culture without a fairly deep understanding of the cultural context.
Basketball
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Japan is a mystical land full of perversion caused by the ingestion of Takoyaki
Do we have to say it? Why do you watch it then...?
Anime is just a black hole I don't go near anymore for risk of being associated with all of these embarrassing/disgusting sub-genres that I've never heard of.
Because using gay men as basically a fetish is very problematic in a country where LGBT rights/public perception are not ideal, to say the least.
Bara (which in itself is a degratory term) is at least manga made by gay men and for gay men. That too has lot of unconcensual/rapey overtones, but that's completely different can of worms.
I do my best to avoid it but its everywhere. I read yaoi because there is a horrible lack of erotic comics featuring gay men in the west. If I could draw I would make my own but since I can't Japan has to fill the whole for me(hehheh). And yeah, anime has so many gems but they're all buried under so much trash.I wish the west took animation more seriously.
SaintGalgo
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Yeah, hmm. I do believe bara is usually more sensible with gay issues than yaoi, but it's all a mess. I think that's in part because of the points brought up here:
Well then I think you're getting some better responses in this thread than mine, although personally I think the poster who said it's about power reversal is probably right. Rape in porn and hentai seems to be the manifestation of a power fantasy for some, and the desire or willingness to be controlled for others. I don't really think it's linked to homophobia in most cases. At least it doesn't seem to be with the people I've spoken to. Anyways, I'm not super into yaoi, but I've got an open-minded lady friend who is. I think I'll ask her about this next time we speak.
Also ask if she has some good recommendations for non-rapey ones. Always looking ^-^.
yup
Skellig Gra
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Why are you watching it tho
Cause not all of it has rape. It's the same reason someone who hates the way women are portrayed in games could still be a gamer.
Sun Bather
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Why is such kink shaming in this thread allowed? :/
The same way some women artists objectify women in their works.
A mix of "mindless following the trope" and "mindless following the societal norm"
why is there so much rape in [a gargantuan amount of japanese pornography and comics and cartoons]
i am not a cultural expert on japan or anything, i just feel like it must be a pretty common fetish or something over there.
it bothers me, but i can just chalk it up to cultural differences except when it runs rampant in like manga or anime. i tend to exempt pornography since that is just straight up sexual fiction and it isnt trying to be smart most of the time.
sexual violence against women is the laziest fucking writing that so many seem to utilize, i am never watching any property that uses it as a plot point. its why i never have wanted to read berserk despite people saying its good, the first exposure i had to it is that some woman is used as a rape object for the sake of storyline
not that western fiction is free from this. i aint watching game of thrones either
i am not a cultural expert on japan or anything, i just feel like it must be a pretty common fetish or something over there.
it bothers me, but i can just chalk it up to cultural differences except when it runs rampant in like manga or anime. i tend to exempt pornography since that is just straight up sexual fiction and it isnt trying to be smart most of the time.
sexual violence against women is the laziest fucking writing that so many seem to utilize, i am never watching any property that uses it as a plot point. its why i never have wanted to read berserk despite people saying its good, the first exposure i had to it is that some woman is used as a rape object for the sake of storyline
not that western fiction is free from this. i aint watching game of thrones either
NinjaBoiX
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What the fuck is this shit? Sometimes ignorance really is bliss.
Cool.
Skellig Gra
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I'm not sure I buy that comparison. Anatomically incorrect damsel in distresses are a lot less off putting than child porn/rape. If I was buying games from a certain genre or dev house that consistently had gross shit in it I'd stop buying from them.
Just because you get off to something doesn't make it acceptable. People's brains can be pretty fucked up.
Ray Wonder
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It's a genre. You generally know when the child rape is coming and so can bail out early. I've only ever been surprised a few times and that's when the mangaka decides to premiere a new couple who were just side characters in the original. I stick to my stream when I can.
Use a site with a good tag system. E-Hentai is pretty high tier since they even have tags for specific fetishes like "lizard girl" and "unusual pupils"
nitekrawlwer
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I have two words for you. Toxic Masculinity.
It's bad in straight world and just as bad and possibly worse in the gay one.
It's bad in straight world and just as bad and possibly worse in the gay one.
Riposte
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I didn't realize women were so mindless.
I will concede to what you are saying, and admit that that is indeed problematic. However, not everyone feels the same way, even members in the LGBT community don't all the feel the same way.
For example. I was once asked why I don't draw transgender characters in my hentai. I responded by saying that I felt it would come across as fetishizing a misunderstood and marginalized group - and that I didn't want to do that. I received almost a hundred replies to my inbox that day from people (who claimed to be transgender) telling me that there wasn't nearly enough trans hentai (compared to the sheer amount of choices straight viewers have) for their viewing, and that they would love to see me create some. I had never actually considered the thought that many in the trans community use hentai as a way to insert themselves into the stories, instead of merely taking offense to the depictions - which some of them may still do in certain cases.
Through the course of these conversations I also learned that many of them felt that it was okay for straight creators to draw and depict trans people in pornographic works of art, so long as said works weren't outright inflammatory or hateful. Again, I don't believe that any one of these messages speak for all, but it did enlighten me to the fact that some people find it an issue, and others do not.
Whether porn of LGBT members depicted in certain ways is a good or bad thing for the community is certainly a great topic for debate. But I also don't think it's wise to reach conclusions about it before we've had many inclusive conversations with others about the issue. In fact, the reality is that we may never reach a real conclusion, or find a consensus or standard for how minority groups should be treated in representation, and maybe that's okay too. Personally though, I think the way forward here is to allow for there to be space for LGBT creators to work on and publish their own porn - so that they can set the narrative and tone that they feel best represents them.
Kitsunebaby
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Uh really? I've read plenty of shoujo and there's a ton of titles with dubious consent, if not outright rape in them. Rape is pretty frequent in a lot of romantic literature, because it's one of the most common fantasies among both men and women. There's plenty of yaoi without rape in it as well.
i scoff at unusual pupils, but i am with you on lizard girls
not that it compares to something of higher calibre, like say mantid girls. the more mandibles you can get into something the better, i say
Basically this, but I'd argue that in the case of non-hetero stories like yaoi or yuri there's also an idea that such relationships don't happen naturally and then rape is needed even more to make the other character learn to fall in love, which is a very sickening idea.
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