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[Dedication Through Light]

But... its his lover that rapes him. And then continues to rape him until the MC likes it.

The writer just wants to write that with their characters or in the case of doujins characters that are at odds at each other since the writer just wants them to interact in this way that no one else would write. There were people who wanted to see Sasuke and Naruto this way with canon inspiration.

Clearly theres a market since it continues to be written and sold in their stores.

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I am struggling to really imagine if girls love stories are really free of this theme.

 

[SenorArdilla]

But... its his lover that rapes him. And then continues to rape him until the MC likes it.

Never said that it had to be a stranger.

 

[Conkersbadfurday]

What is this from?

 

[Lois_Lane]

No, in this thread we are pretending its a unique trope ecxlusive to yaoi.

I am not. I recognize that even in more "tamer" mange genres(shoujo and seinen) that there are more problematic elements but I can still direct someone new in the genre to go explore and not worry they'll stubble into the creepy ass shit right away. Same thing with romance novels. You're not going to pickup your average dime store paperback and read the MC getting gang raped or a description of how the MC's vagina is getting torn. I can not say the same thing about yaoi.

 

[SenorArdilla]

What is this from?

Puss in Boots.

 

[KO Traveling Hobo]

Yeah but yaoi and hentai go away farther than any western erotica I've read. How many western erotica books have the future love interest force themselves on the MC in a bathroom or something. Or explicitly talks about how great they bleed or shit. I can pick up a random romance novel and more than likely not have to deal with rape. So not the case with yaoi.

That might just have to do with the habit of manga/anime/etc to be much more over-the-top with everything it does.

Also, if it's women writing about men, they may just be thinking of bleeding in the context of a hymen being broken.

 

[Kyuur]

Itt OP mixes yaoi/yuri with seinen/shoujo like they're even remotely the same kind of categories. I don't have appropriate reaction gifs on hand.

 

[Crimson_Echidna]

 

[RipperGrim]

Legit thought this thread was going to be about some war torn country with a name I haven't heard of.

 

[Ratrat]

I am not. I recognize that even in more "tamer" mange genres(shoujo and seinen) that there are more problematic elements but I can still direct someone new in the genre to go explore and not worry they'll stubble into the creepy ass shit right away. Same thing with romance novels. You're not going to pickup your average dime store paperback and read the MC getting gang raped or a description of how the MC's vagina is getting torn. I can not say the same thing about yaoi.

What about the examples of it being prominent in bara and straight romance and erotica?

 

[Platy]

Yaoi has LOTS of problematic tropes .... the amount of homophobia in some yaois is RIDICULOUS

 

[How About No]

Legit thought this thread was going to be about some war torn country with a name I haven't heard of.

I'm loling

Yaoi has LOTS of problematic tropes .... the amount of homophobia in some yaois is RIDICULOUS

This sounds odd, but it's probably true

 

[TheChaos]

So, like every other country?

Are you saying that Japan and the West are the same level in that regard? No.

I follow the slash community and many who write it are progressive LGBTQ themselves writing from a personal perspective and at least have some basic semblance of how two dudes interact. Non-consensual stuff is rare nowadays and is very clearly marked with a trigger warning.

Contrast with most yaoi with obvious gender roles in play and tons of non-con stuff up the wazoo.

 

[Crimsonclaw111]

Yaoi is what I say when I stub my toe.

 

[Cipherr]

Fucking Anime... of course. I should have known.

 

[ZeroMaverick]

It's homophobia. Pretty simple. Gay people are culturally percieved as "perverts", "no way it can be a legitimate, consensual relationship", and that's all there is to it. Yaoi usually caters to women who have no idea how gay relationships actually work

There's some decent, "realistic" yaoi out there, but yeah, sadly the majority is like that.

And the OP is asking a legitimate question, I don't understand the posts in this thread.

bingo.

 

[Taruranto]

I tend to avoid these kinds of stories. I wonder if there's a link between the fetishism and rape fantasies among women.

Spoiler

Fujoshi Rumi is a good read.

Rape is a very easy way to introduce drama without too much planning. For instance, a male lead is raped and then his love interest comes in to save him. He considers himself filthy for getting raped but the power of cock heals him and the two become instant lovers.

That's the straight version of it (See every VN heroine with a rape backstory, except-that-one) In Yaoi the Seme just rapes the Uke and they "fall in love", see stuff like Junjou Romantica. (Actually, don't see stuff like Junjou Romantica) Anything under "Shounen Ai" is generally safe, and even under the adult tags you can find vanilla/normal stuff. Though you generally get a lot of stuff like "But we are both boys" or "I'm not gay I just love you" and they are obvious written with male/female dynamic in mind.

Most Yaoi anime are straight up rapey/bad though, especially the older stuff.

 

[FunkyPajamas]

so is this your way of saying you prefer western homosexual erotica or that you're uncomfortable with homosexuality in general

It's my way of saying Hentai isn't really my thing from what few I've seen of it. Furthermore, I assume Hentai that usually contains rape (if OP is to be believed) isn't going to be my cup of tea.

 

[Ryuukan]

It's my way of saying Hentai isn't really my thing from what few I've seen of it. Furthermore, I assume Hentai that usually contains rape (if OP is to be believed) isn't going to be my cup of tea.

fair enough

was just ironic to see a comic that trivialized rape be used as an answer to avoiding yaoi because of rape portrayals

 

[driggonny]

I've seen a fair bit of hentai, yaoi, bara, yuri etc. in my day (some might call me an expert

Spoiler

/s

) and I honestly think rape is pervasive in all those genres. I won't pretend to know why, but I can't say that yaoi is a unique offender.

 

[FunkyPajamas]

fair enough

was just ironic to see a comic that trivialized rape be used as an answer to avoiding yaoi because of rape portrayals

Ah, you know, I never thought about that (the dickwolves thing I assume you mean?). It may be that this comic predates that. Not that I'm excusing PA. I just remember that's the first time I learned what Yaoi was. I saw the comic, looked it up, read about the rape stuff, then figured it wasn't my cup of tea. As I said, I don't even watch Hentai.

edit: yeah, the Yaoi comic is from 2005, the dickwolves 2010. And I don't think these guys mentioned rape in the comic itself, I was the one that read about that somewhere else.

 

[Ratrat]

Are you saying that Japan and the West are the same level in that regard? No.

I follow the slash community and many who write it are progressive LGBTQ themselves writing from a personal perspective and at least have some basic semblance of how two dudes interact. Non-consensual stuff is rare nowadays and is very clearly marked with a trigger warning.

Contrast with most yaoi with obvious gender roles in play and tons of non-con stuff up the wazoo.

Fanafiction? Do you read published erotica or stuff by gay male authors?


Every other country doesnt have a large genre/industry surrounding it.

 

[Shinypogs]

Welcome to badly written/drawn gay relationships. Let me tell you about the lovely noncon section of western slashfiction. Currently hot is the alpha/omega trope filled with lots of rape but it's okay because the other person needs it, is in heat and will die or suffer without it etc. Plus some versions have omegas with self lubricating assholes. We also have a thing where every person is born with their soulmates writing/name/ firsts words to them on their skin. Since you're destined to be togeather it's totes cool to pressure this person you barely know into sex with you before they are ready cause hey you'll love each other eventually.

Not limited to any genre of fiction but rape resulting in a baby will absolutely end well for everyone involved.

Rape kink is everywhere in every genre just in various packages. It can be written well or poorly the same way all romance can be great or trash depending on the skill of the author.

If you're not into it find the people who don't make it and stick with only their output.

 

[Dedication Through Light]

Most Yaoi anime are straight up rapey/bad though, especially the older stuff.

Thankfully Super Lovers and Sekaiichi Hatsukoi are really good. Ill add in No.6 too.

 

[NinjaBoiX]

OP, go home and be a family man.

(Seriously, what are you doing with your life? This shit sounds intensely creepy and weird. Take up pottery or something.)

 

[Conkersbadfurday]

OP, go home and be a family man.

(Seriously, what are you doing with your life? This shit sounds intensely creepy and weird. Take up pottery or something.)

I mean, you can be a potter and jerk it to anime porn.

 

[Lois_Lane]

OP, go home and be a family man.

(Seriously, what are you doing with your life? This shit sounds intensely creepy and weird. Take up pottery or something.)

I'm a girl and I'm obsessed with gay porn. Its just what I do.

 

[SocksAndShoes]

Definitely opened this thread expecting to hear about some awful place named Yaoi where they can't stop rape from occurring.

 

[NinjaBoiX]

I'm a girl and I'm obsessed with gay porn. Its just what I do.

Go home and be a family girl then.

Just stop watching weird, gay, anime rape porn, it's not good for your constitution.

(I'm telling you this ahead of time.)

 

[bigkrev]

You just need to be careful with your MRM tags.

This is the REALEST post in this thread that basically no one will understand

 

[NinjaBoiX]

This is the REALEST post in this thread that basically no one will understand

I just googled it and got nothing.

It's so geeky even google doesn't get it.

 

[Unspeakable Evil]

I'm a girl and I'm obsessed with gay porn. Its just what I do.

Clearly somebody needs to find a good Superman x Batman comic for you

 

[Lois_Lane]

Clearly somebody needs to find a good Superman x Batman comic for you

Eeeew no. I don't do doujins or fanfic, fucks with my established idea of the characters too much.

 

[Technosteve]

Eeeew no. I don't do doujins or fanfic, fucks with my established idea of the characters too much.

the fuck?

 

[Poppy]

Eeeew no. I don't do doujins or fanfic, fucks with my established idea of the characters too much.

life without doujins is one i cannot abide

 

[Unspeakable Evil]

Eeeew no. I don't do doujins or fanfic, fucks with my established idea of the characters too much.

Yeah I can believe that.

 

[ResoRai]

Hentai in general is so fucking rapey

Main reason why I can't enjoy the medium

Yeah... Hadn't watched Hentai in years so I pulled something up the other day and it was straight up that, but with tenticles.
Some dude and his girlfriend were walking down the street and this random testicle monster appeared, swooped her up and raped her in front of her bf. Then the hero came with some staff or something, but she ended up getting swooped too.
The dude just stood there in shock non swooped, but I turned it off after that.
It was incredibly uncomfortable to watch.

 

[Lois_Lane]

life without doujins is one i cannot abide

It's like seeing your mom get it on. New characters or bust.

 

[Dedication Through Light]

Eeeew no. I don't do doujins or fanfic, fucks with my established idea of the characters too much.

Fanfics are the best, i love Pacific Rim x [insert manga of choice], and school and death fics [time travel fics]. Youre missing out.

 

[sycam0re]

Go home and be a family girl then.

Just stop watching weird, gay, anime rape porn, it's not good for your constitution.

(I'm telling you this ahead of time.)

It's like seeing your mom get it on. New characters or bust.

lmao. I also disagree, but lol

 

[Ratrat]

This isn't so different than people claiming rap is especially sexist compared to other music genres.
Not comfortable with the culture experts and uninformed dogpiling of smut for straight women/gay men.

 

[Dali]

Yeah... Hadn't watched Hentai in years so I pulled something up the other day and it was straight up that, but with tenticles.
Some dude and his girlfriend were walking down the street and this random testicle monster appeared, swooped her up and raped her in front of her bf. Then the hero came with some staff or something, but she ended up getting swooped too.
The dude just stood there in shock non swooped, but I turned it off after that.
It was incredibly uncomfortable to watch.

 

[Faiz]

Like I don't understand. Yuri doesn't have this problem. Shougo can be stalker creepy but not full on forced penetration. The closest genre I've seen come to Yaoi's rape fetish is Seinen and it nowhere permeates the genre like it does Yaoi. What gives?

Ok, looks like it has t been said in the thread yet.

Shonen, shoujo, seinen, jousei, are demographics which describe age range and gender of the intended audience. They are not genres.

 

[Harlock]

We have love too.

 

[Ryzaki009]

Really? The romance novels I've read never go farther than some weird Stockholm shit. Are we talking about bodice rippers?

Um...the weird stockholm shit is questionable as fuck yes. But yeah bodice rippers and the like go a bit further. (Though it's usually limited to the threat of rape because we've gotta keep her pure otherwise she's ruined forever because of that nice set of gender garbage) I'm not sure why people are pretending this is some new concept. It's not. As long as people have been writing stories some of those stories have had rape as love tropes and questionable consent.

Most romance books I read have me side eyeing them. This isn't unique to yaoi. Yaoi's just more explicit about it.

 

[Ryuuga]

https://zippy.gfycat.com/RipeImpassionedBlackrhino.webm

 

[John Kowalski]

Eeeew no. I don't do doujins or fanfic, fucks with my established idea of the characters too much.

I do this too. Only for things that i actually like, like haruchiha. Otherwise i'd rather not read something with relationships that aren't canon.

 

[SomethingWitty]

Except its a cultural difference that you're almost never going to be able to explain or understand. From the perspective of the people writing it, the key point is likely that its not real and there's no evidence that deviance in videogames/media is correlated with deviance in real life. Japanese society, social mores and gender roles differ wildly from what we expect in the west as well. Don't take that as a defense of the genre and its tropes, its just that I don't think you can try to probe why something like that is considered okay in another culture without a fairly deep understanding of the cultural context.

You're right. I haven't actually considered cultural differences between Japanese society and Western culture. I wonder if the conception of power relations between genders is the same in Japan as it is historically in the West. Someone who knows more about Japanese culture (yes, meme) can explain probably.

 

[lvl99 Pixel]

I only enjoy the finest quality consensual bukkake

 

[Frimaire]

Eeeew no. I don't do doujins or fanfic, fucks with my established idea of the characters too much.

Ah, so I'm not the only one...