why so few graphically outstanding games on 360?
- Thread starter Shadow of the BEAST
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Jake Tower
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I've never played Killzone... those enemies look like the Brotherhood of Steel from Fallout 3.
If you're a bit more technically minded, it's absolutely normal to see game screens that way. If I look at modern 3D screenshots today, all I see are compromises and limits imposed on the artists working on them.
Ignorance truly is bliss. We had a guy here that simply wasn't able to see screen tearing even in the heaviest instances (hi AC/GT5). Enviable motherfucker.
Yep, I don't envy your position at all. My increasing knowledge of videogame graphics has only made artistically great games look better and better. I think it's just a matter of different views on the half filled glass mentality.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
Oh boy.
If only Forza 4 actually looked that crisp in gameplay.
If only Forza 4 actually looked that crisp in gameplay.
Yea, makes me wonder why the mods are still keeping this open.
tkscz
Member
i don't know what people are smoking, but Forza 4 looks great!
He said so few, not any. Also, does Forza 4 look that good during gameplay?
AcceptableGhost
Member
Is that how Alice: Madness Returns actually looks like on the consoles? What a shame.
gaming_noob
Member
Read the second sentence of OP. It really contradicts with that he's saying from the title.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Gears 1-3
Forza 3-4
Halo Reach
Assassin's Creed 1-3
GTA 4-5
RDR
GRID
Witcher 2
Mass Effect 2-3
Battlefield 3
Resident Evil 5
Just Cause 2
Crysis 2
Far Cry 2
Crackdown
Banjo Nuts & Bolts
PGR4
OP, you so crazy. And this list is retconning the entire first year it was on shelves where Fight Night, Ghost Recon, Dead Rising, Saints Row, Oblivion, PGR3, DOA4, and Madden absolutely smoked everything else available.
Forza 3-4
Halo Reach
Assassin's Creed 1-3
GTA 4-5
RDR
GRID
Witcher 2
Mass Effect 2-3
Battlefield 3
Resident Evil 5
Just Cause 2
Crysis 2
Far Cry 2
Crackdown
Banjo Nuts & Bolts
PGR4
OP, you so crazy. And this list is retconning the entire first year it was on shelves where Fight Night, Ghost Recon, Dead Rising, Saints Row, Oblivion, PGR3, DOA4, and Madden absolutely smoked everything else available.
Haunted
Member
On the other hand, I think recognising these flaws in some games makes me appreciate the experience when others get it right just that much more, so there's that at least.
Always-honest
Banned
I'm sure it does in the minds of people who are blind to jaggies and stuff...
The earlier DF screenshots of GEars and Uncharted are the real deal.
Sometimes it's laughable how people remember games.
But i hope the Forza screens were a joke.
i don't know what people are smoking, but Forza 4 looks great!
I love Forza and all.. but screens do not show the how it is while in game. While still a great looking game it is full of jaggies that drive my PC gamer eyes crazy..
Wish MS would let Turn 10 do a PC version
. It probably is one reason Id buy a next gen console.. Forza will probably look Amazing next gen.How are people finding Wipeout HD impressive graphically?
Foliorum Viridum
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Photo mode shots do my head in.
They look great. Then you play Forza and there are so many graphical issues it's a really average looking game, sometimes quite poor. Same with GT5.
They look great. Then you play Forza and there are so many graphical issues it's a really average looking game, sometimes quite poor. Same with GT5.
BruiserBear
Banned
The OP asked why the 360 has so few games that standout graphically. It would seem multiplatform games really shouldn't enter the conversation Especially ones like Battlefield 3, where the PS3 version actually looks better.
BibiMaghoo
Member
1080p @60fps.
To my knowledge, the only other console title that can do this is Rayman.
Most games do look better on 360 but that has more to do with 360 being the lead platform for most multiplats than the PS3 not being good enough.
On the other hand, I think recognising these flaws in some games makes me appreciate the experience when others get it right just that much more, so there's that at least.
Personally I just don't want to lose any amount of energy or time worrying about these things. I care only to the point of playing my games the way the devs wanted them to be played. I don't get impressed by tech at all if there's no meaning behind it. It's a slippery path leading to the same phileness that you can see in the AV field, where the picture quality and components eventually override the content and art of movies and music.
Artificial limitations have produced some of the finest art and entertainment ever.
There's absolutely no reason to leave out the majority of the best looking games this gen. Like you need really biased and warped logic to come to that conclusion.
Haunted
Member
Oh man, yeah.
That game looked really outstanding at the time of its release, it would easily rank up with great titles today without the fucking framerate problems and at a decent resolution for better image quality.
Well, I think we're not at the point of AV and audiophiles yet with videogames, not by a long shot. They're always product of their times, and the tech keeps moving. Faster than in most other industries.
We've still got a ways to go before "this is good enough, let's see what we can do with this" is an acceptable mantra for everyone in the industry, imo. At this point, I support those who are not satisfied with what we have yet and want to keep pushing what's possible much more than those that want to stay with years-old tech.
BruiserBear
Banned
lol, I love photo-mode shots, GT5 especially.
But, I don't agree with Forza 4 looking average...
BibiMaghoo
Member
Cool. Did not know that. I think it's fair to say the list is relatively small though.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Most of those games look as good as or better than any of the console exclusives, and in most cases the PS3 version is the worst.
I would say right now that Assassin's Creed 2 is the most impressive console game, period. The Witcher 2 is easily the best looking RPG on either console.
Yep. Like you say, I was so disappointed playing GT5 in action. Seeing the incredible photoshots then playing the actual game. Urgh... actually thought it was an ugly game overall
manzo
Member
No it doesn't. Check the Digital Foundry face-off. PS3 has a bit better shadow filtering, Xbox has better SSAO and texture filtering. Both run the same, except slight differences in segments (PS3 wins in some, 360 wins in some).
The game is pretty much 1=1. OTOH, the PS3 version is currently having gliches regarding the input lag.
Why shouldn't multi-platform games enter the conversation even if they perform better on another system?
And there's not a lot at all between the two versions of BF3 with higher resolution textures installed on Xbox.
Phonomezer
Banned
+1 to those mentioning Blue Dragon. Criminally overlooked. The game still looks amazing and it has very detailed environments.
To think that came out in 2006, I'd love to see what it would look like developed in 2012.
To think that came out in 2006, I'd love to see what it would look like developed in 2012.
If you mean why does the PS3 have more games overall with engines pushing graphics to the max than the 360 - something I'd agree with - then I'd say it's obvious why : Sony have pushed out more 1st party titles with custom engines (Killzone, God of War, Uncharted, Wipeout HD, etc) than MS has for the 360.
Gears somewhat balances this but obviously the 360 has seen less custom engines than the PS3 and while the 360 has often seen better multi-platform games for the most part they balance out - i.e .Battlefield 3 looks pretty good on both (relative to each other not PC I mean).
MS never made "the shiniest" graphics their mantra this gen (somewhat ironically given they pushed the power of the original Xbox as a USP) instead they've settled for a few technical showcases such as Gears and focused more on delivering the gameplay/online fans want from Halo rather than asking Bungie to push the most pixels.
Obviously for a third party developer there is no insentive to push the 360 beyond the PS3 if they're putting their game on PS3 too so the difference in graphical showcases was always going to come down to exclusives and for obvious reasons the PS3 was always going to get more of them - particularly as Sony did (does still?) push the idea of "shinest" graphics with a lot of its exclusives.
Gears somewhat balances this but obviously the 360 has seen less custom engines than the PS3 and while the 360 has often seen better multi-platform games for the most part they balance out - i.e .Battlefield 3 looks pretty good on both (relative to each other not PC I mean).
MS never made "the shiniest" graphics their mantra this gen (somewhat ironically given they pushed the power of the original Xbox as a USP) instead they've settled for a few technical showcases such as Gears and focused more on delivering the gameplay/online fans want from Halo rather than asking Bungie to push the most pixels.
Obviously for a third party developer there is no insentive to push the 360 beyond the PS3 if they're putting their game on PS3 too so the difference in graphical showcases was always going to come down to exclusives and for obvious reasons the PS3 was always going to get more of them - particularly as Sony did (does still?) push the idea of "shinest" graphics with a lot of its exclusives.
To each their own my friend, to each their own. But outside your high standards and opinion, the games in question are undoubtedly amazing looking games by any standard, regardless of any apparent technical shortcomings. IMO
I love this post, because it's so heartfelt that it can't be satire. Obviously the leet spelling of fail is a nice touch, but the blasé self-righteousness, dripping with platform and possibly single-game specific pride, is the cherry on top. We can even guess what game.
Plenty of games have already hit the sweetspot of tech and usability. It gets more complicated with super detailed AAA games, but handheld games in general have been clear to look at and control since GBA SP and the developers have built the games to work with that hardware (in the best cases). Once you up the resolution and screen size you aren't improving those type of games in an absolute sense anymore. You always lose something. The sum might be better for sure, but still it's a different kind of experience. For example I wouldn't compare GBA and Vita in any ways, because they are completely different kind of products.
But in no way I want to limit progress. I'm still excited about new hardware just for different reasons than when I was a bit more enthusiastic about gaming. Though it must be said, that handhelds have gone in the wrong direction in my opinion. We already have high powered and large tablets, so I don't like handheld consoles growing in size and dying in battery power.
legacyzero
Banned
Is this thread missing [April Fools]?
Oh, and OP got banned =/
360 has had some great looking games, though. Lost Odyssey was quite the looker, and yeah, the Gears games make this console shine!
Oh, and OP got banned =/
360 has had some great looking games, though. Lost Odyssey was quite the looker, and yeah, the Gears games make this console shine!
entremet
Member
I think he got banned for calling people ''fucking idiots' not the premise of the OP.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Actually his question was very interesting, but most people here interpreted it as a systems war topic.
(And I wonder why he got banned for this thread)
legacyzero
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SafeinSound
Member
If thats the reason then the junior quote below you should get the same treatment.
shinobi602
Member
Wish MS would let Turn 10 do a PC version
No, can we let the 360 actually have some exclusives for a change? Everyone complains the 360 has so few exclusives, then turn around and want all their exclusives ported.
Phonomezer
Banned
shinobi602
Member
Halo: Reach looks pretty dang good too.
So much for him being a gentleman. /avatarpun
Speaking of which, who else has a Chaos Engine avatar? I see a merc guy around here every little while.
PC petitions are typically when devs say "we will port if they show interest". Main reason those threads are allowed to.. Dev want us to beg :/.
For me RDR is still most impressive looking 360 game and possible most impressive game on any console. When you look at deferred lighting, day night cycles, best weather effects, great animations and amazing draw distance its really something. Its also 720p with MSAA and holds frame rate pretty damn well (except Thieves Landing).
What I've seen from SP parts of Halo 4 dev diary it seems like 343i is going more for visuals and cinematic feel than Bungie did. They also have what looked as great facial animation tech and are going for 720p and AA. So I guess by time new xbox comes there will be several heavy hitters on 360.
What I've seen from SP parts of Halo 4 dev diary it seems like 343i is going more for visuals and cinematic feel than Bungie did. They also have what looked as great facial animation tech and are going for 720p and AA. So I guess by time new xbox comes there will be several heavy hitters on 360.
gaming_noob
Member
I'll counter with Crysis 2 Xbox 360 gifs. Third party games are what I play 90% of this gen (PS3-only here, but I play my bro's 360 games sometimes).
http://h8.abload.de/img/crysis2_helicopteranem.gif - Warning - 2mb file
FlutterPuffs
Member
I'd say partly due to Santa Monica and Naughty Dog/Sony's ICE team.
Does MS has that kind of support for its (first party) games by the way?
Does MS has that kind of support for its (first party) games by the way?