DreamMachine
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gutter_trash said:
and parents are a huge force at christmas time..
there most of the buying power.
Why the 360 has already won North America
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and parents are a huge force at christmas time..
there most of the buying power.
Beer Monkey
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mrklaw said:
I've said for months that it is true that it would sell out for months even if it didn't have games.
But what's the percentage? GAF is so great at making predictions but nobody wants to say what percentage of gamers are hell-bent on PS3 no matter what, and what percent are open-minded and on the fence? How many are like the idiots who drive around in their Fords with the decal of Calvin peeing on the Chevy?
TheKingsCrown
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Ponn01 said:
First of all, stating that I am not listening does not make your post more correct.
Secondly, you are making some pretty big assumptions in this post. You are assuming that decisions on this have already been made by most consumers. With a little convincing, I am willing to bet that a lot of consumers will turn. And since it makes good business sense for an EB/Gamestop to sell something they have rather than something they don't, I am willing to bet there are a lot of retailers out there who will attempt to do just that as soon as PS3 runs out.
You are also assuming that you stating there is no debate means that all consumers are 100% committed to PS3. With the price differentials in the industry, as well as the content and availability differentials, I say that throws your assumption into question.
Other assumptions include that little Jimmy will get what he asks for. When a parent realizes they have to pay $500 or $600 just for the system and then they have to get games additionally, that can certainly change someone's mind. The current economic situation across most of the population is not exactly favorable. If there is a cheap substitute, people WILL take it if they are in such economic straits. And since they will end up getting good games with it, little Jimmy isn't going to scream very much once he starts playing his 360. From a consumer's perspective, if they are convinced the system is basically the same thing but its available, they will find their way to convince little Jimmy.
TheKingsCrown said:
Consumers have already "told". Japan complete failure, Europe crappy sales numbers and USA good but not great harware sales. And it doesn't even have competition yet. I can't understand how do you guys assume it's the next PS2 when it's doing so badly. I mean half of the xbox fans a year ago would tell you that it'll sell 10-20 million units before 2007. Some crazy ones were expecting 10 million before the supposed March PS3 launch.
TheKingsCrown
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Ajax said:
I haven't assumed that 360 is the next PS2 to be honest, far from it. I just believe Sony has lost significant market share across the board, including some to at least 360 in America. I am arguing that 360 will be a strong force in America and 360's gain will be PS3's loss.
Edit: I should make clear that I don't totally agree that 360 has won in America. I haven't entered the discussion until now.
gutter_trash
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Ajax said:
QFT they don't have competition yet, I can't wait to see their decimation in 2007 when the other two start raging
Beer Monkey
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gutter_trash said:
My god, how old are you?
TheKingsCrown said:
I'm basing my statement on working just about everyday in November and December during the original PS2 launch at Gamestop and working the holidays past that and during the Xbox launch. Though I havent worked there the last couple years my friend and roommate does and even the slim PS2 had the same effect on holiday shoppers when they could not be found. People were going on preorder lists with those and waiting till after the holidays and NOT just jumping on a readily available Xbox. How can you say you work at EB and have not seen the people do this? This was common when I worked at Gamestop in South Florida and has been the same since I moved to north florida.
For one you are shopping out of your own wallet. There are plenty of people who will drop that dough during the holidays. Second, if they were that price conscience they are not going to drop 400 plus on an alternate choice presented to them at the point of sale. Parents might with something cheaper but they don't drop $400 on a system and more on games and accessories only to see their kids open it and cry christmas morning.
Now see, you are interjecting your fanboyism into your assumptions. You are assuming the 360 has great games for the kids taste.
You're reaching now. Have you ever tried to reason or convince a child of anything during the holidays?
gutter_trash
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beermonkey@tehbias said:
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Beer Monkey
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gutter_trash said:
Do you ever read aloud the things that you post and think about how they make you sound?
gutter_trash
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sorry if I sound like an absolutist, it's just my jack-assery way of living and thinking.
But the bottom line is that I'm right
But the bottom line is that I'm right
<nu>faust said:
well, if we leave aside your juvenile trolling, I think the post you quoted is fairly restrained.
Xbox 360 is *just* edging the original Xbox for sales. Yet Xbox launched with PS2 in full swing, and X360 has *no* competition. MS have to be disappointed that they aren't getting more space between them and PS3. Its a nightmare scenario, but they could come out of the first competing Christmas period neck-and-neck, having had the marketplace to themselves for a year.
Nightstick11
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The premise of this thread is laughable, mainly because the PS3 hasn't even launched yet. You don't declare anyone the winner until the king (Sony, in this case) throws his ball in the court.
Also, as someone else pointed out, the Xbox 360 shipped a piddly 5 million in its first near-year of release. Just based on the sales figures for PS1 and PS2, it's not reasonable to assume PS3 will sell 40,000 units out of the gate and fall over. 2 million in NA is not much of a lead to be gloating about, especially if the Xbox 360 has the market all to itself right now.
Also, as someone else pointed out, the Xbox 360 shipped a piddly 5 million in its first near-year of release. Just based on the sales figures for PS1 and PS2, it's not reasonable to assume PS3 will sell 40,000 units out of the gate and fall over. 2 million in NA is not much of a lead to be gloating about, especially if the Xbox 360 has the market all to itself right now.
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Pristine_Condition
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Sure, the Xbox 360 hasn't met a single one of Microsoft's sales/shipment goals...but it's GAME OVER in NA!
Please. This party hasn't even started yet.
This reminds me of die-hard football fans who visit their home teams training camp for a couple days in the summer and declare their team 16-0 and Superbowl Champions before September.
It's just a ridiculous statement, regardless of what sort of pseudo-intellectual wrapper a writer tries to hide it in. This reminds me of those papers I used to write at University when I had been partying when I should have been researching. Nice form, no substance. Great to look at, but pretty thin in reality.
Please. This party hasn't even started yet.
This reminds me of die-hard football fans who visit their home teams training camp for a couple days in the summer and declare their team 16-0 and Superbowl Champions before September.
It's just a ridiculous statement, regardless of what sort of pseudo-intellectual wrapper a writer tries to hide it in. This reminds me of those papers I used to write at University when I had been partying when I should have been researching. Nice form, no substance. Great to look at, but pretty thin in reality.
typhonsentra
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Instead of 2006, I'm more intersted in the dynamics four years from now. It'll be interesting to see if MS puts out another console around 2009/2010, becuase I do not see Sony doing the same thing. Storage is eventually going to become an issue, and PS3 can ride the Blu Ray wave which does mean the system will have a prolonged life. I don't think we'll see the PS4 until 2012, or maybe 2013.
This could potentially be a pretty big problem the industry faces in about 5 to 7 years, as the systems may not overlap within a year of each other anymore.
This could potentially be a pretty big problem the industry faces in about 5 to 7 years, as the systems may not overlap within a year of each other anymore.
Zombie James
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typhonsentra said:
What an idiot :lol
Pristine_Condition said:
Yes because saying "IT'S GAME OVER FOR 360 IN NA" and arguing with overzealous xbox fans who think it will be first when there's absolutely no proof to back it up it's one and the same. Are you guys deliberately trying to look stupid? You piss me off with your annoying trolling accussations.
in the light darkness
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Lapsed said:
lol at mark rein :lol
I think that would be a massive mistake by MS. If you think people are complaining a lot about next gen not looking significantly improved over the previous now, wait until then. It'll be deafening, as it'll take even longer for that difference to show. The age of 5 year console cycles is over, and if you don't start lengthening the longevity of your system by at least a year or two, I think it'll be a ridiculously tough initial sell to consumers.Mrbob said:
gutter_trash
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i love that DOA3 / DOA4 or even that DOA2Ultiamte comparaison, because it's so true
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