Wifeswap: Unbearable British snob can't stand Midwestern hick chick

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The guy is a douchebag, but the way the show tried to get you to hate him more by portraying him as "un-American" shows what sort of audience this is aimed at.

If some woman tried to get my children to sing the national anthem every day, I'd call her a redneck hick too.
 
so the "elite" of gaf has already presumed that the women is stupid because of the phrase "I'm proud of my country" and the parents that can't stand being around their kids for a few hours and actually be parents, don't let their kids have any friends or do anything for fun, are "certified" life, destination and some other bullshit coach are the smart ones?
 
I feel sorry for the children who have to live with that cunt.

Waking up the kid because he didn't do 6 question in his homework. Guy needs a slap.
 
skrew said:
so the "elite" of gaf has already presumed that the women is stupid because of the phrase "I'm proud of my country" and the parents that can't stand being around their kids for a few hours and actually be parents, don't let their kids have any friends or do anything for fun, are "certified" life, destination and some other bullshit coach are the smart ones?
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So the skrew's of gave have already labelled anyone who refuses to get manipulated by reality television as "elite"?

Frankly, both families in the episode disgusted me. The children of both are doomed from what I can see.

The children of the British man will grow up as emotionally stunted repressives and the children of the midwesterns will grow up as uneducated simpletons who talk about how they are proud Americans while they live off insurance scams.
 
The guy's main problem is, based just on this highlight edit of an already insanely edited show, is having some predisposition to hate her/anyone not from places he deems "ok".

I can't really see what she did to him aside from being chunky and not carrying her pocket copy of War and Peace around. He seemed to WANT to hate her, regardless, unless she strolled in with a doctorate.

Sure he's a dick, but there's plenty of dicks. The main issue I see is he's a dick for the hell of it, which makes him a classified douche.

I do agree with the pride thing. Maybe due to my Carlin worship, or my own disastrous luck of birth (:P), but overt national pride is crazy. Sure to say I love where live and what it offers me, but the blind spewing of cliche pro-America-isms can be maddening.

I can be an elitist dick, too. I despise suburbs and that lifestyle, and the ignorance carried by many people of this country, but I wouldn't hate anyone just because they live somewhere I dislike, or for liking it. Okay maybe liking it would get to me a little. :P
 
fortified_concept said:
Thank you George Carlin and thank you demon for the link.

This is what I was trying to explain to to some offended people in here. I rest my case.
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It's a misunderstanding of the context. I'm proud of my country and proud to be a citizen of my country because of the things it stands for. The US has a Bill of Rights I appreciate immensely and it makes me proud the place I live felt that was important. I wouldn't be proud of these things if they were no longer true.
 
KHarvey16 said:
It's a misunderstanding of the context. I'm proud of my country and proud to be a citizen of my country because of the things it stands for. The US has a Bill of Rights I appreciate immensely and it makes me proud the place I live felt that was important. I wouldn't be proud of these things if they were no longer true.
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I really don't think "pride" is the right word then.

Wouldn't it make more sense to say "I feel fortunate to be a citizen of my country."

Like Carlin says, pride involves some sort of feeling of self-worth attained by an achievement in which you played some meaningful part. Being an American doesn't make you a better person by some sort of natural law... if you think it does, you are as ignorant as the "British douche" you are all lining up to take shots at.

"Proud to be an American" implies that simply being born in America is something to be proud of in itself. Its a cop out that implies no level of obligation, reciprocation or civic responsibility. Its the same bullshit nationalism (disguised as patriotism) that results in bogans draped in Australian flags and Southern Cross tattoos parading around beaches on Australia day picking on minorities.
 
Grug said:
I really don't think "pride" is the right word then.

Wouldn't it make more sense to say "I feel fortunate to be a citizen of my country."

Like Carlin says, pride involves some sort of feeling of self-worth attained by an achievement in which you played some meaningful part. Being an American doesn't make you a better person by some sort of natural law... if you think it does, you are as ignorant as the "British douche" you are all lining up to take shots at.

"Proud to be an American" implies that simply being born in America is something to be proud of in itself. Its a cop out that implies no level of obligation, reciprocation or civic responsibility.
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No, pride is correct. I'm proud my country has thought and still thinks the values I hold very dear are still worth while.
 
KHarvey16 said:
No, pride is correct. I'm proud my country has thought and still thinks the values I hold very dear are still worth while.
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This.

Unlike ethnicity, we can choose, to a certain extent, to leave this country and everything it stands for behind. You don't have to be proud of this country, but it seems fairly ignorant to take all of our freedoms for granted.
 
Drinky Crow said:
that dude rules. he is officially my new hero.
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it's official, drinky crow idolises those who exclusively wear "tree hugger" and "go solar" t-shirts.
 
You'd swear America was the only country that has a bill of rights and freedom of speech. :lol

Being "proud" of your country for its features of governance is equivalent to being "proud" of your PS3 for having a Blu-Ray Drive or "proud" that your fridge keeps drinks cold.

So much misplaced "pride".
 
DanteFox said:
You don't have to be proud of this country, but it seems fairly ignorant to take all of our freedoms for granted.
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And its the inability of people to see that those two things are not mutually exclusive that is the problem.
 
fortified_concept said:
I'm Greek, I'm not proud of my country and I make fun of every redneck who tells me he is with such pride like he has contributed something great to this rotten society.
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Okay there, then say that. Dont say it doesnt apply to me, I just happened to be born here.
 
Grug said:
You'd swear America was the only country that has a bill of rights and freedom of speech. :lol
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What?

"I'm proud of my child for graduating college."
"HAHA WTF you think she's the only person who ever graduated college? Idiot!"
 
KHarvey16 said:
What?

"I'm proud of my child for graduating college."
"HAHA WTF you think she's the only person who ever graduated college? Idiot!"
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I'd imagine that being a parent, you would have had some role in your child graduating college.
 
demon said:
I'd imagine that being a parent, you would have had some role in your child graduating college.
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You missed the point. I stated I was proud of my country for its bill of rights and that was his response. It made no sense.
 
KHarvey16 said:
No, pride is correct. I'm proud my country has thought and still thinks the values I hold very dear are still worth while.
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Does USA has a specific set of values imprinted on its citizens? I honestly didn't know that. So do people from San Franscisco have the same values as the people living in a small town in Texas?


The Experiment said:
Isn't that cute? fortified_concept is railing against idiots whilst pretending he isn't one.
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Wow this is surprising and new. A rightwinger taking cheap shots at me with predictable one-liners. Honestly this is the first time that has happened!
 
KHarvey16 said:
What?

"I'm proud of my child for graduating college."
"HAHA WTF you think she's the only person who ever graduated college? Idiot!"
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Oh boy, the person who takes people to task for completely misrepresenting things out of context has made a very ironic mistake.

I refer you back to post #210 sport.

Your child graduating from college is an achievement in which you have played some significant part. You have raised and nurtured them in a supportive environment which has allowed them to be successful. Thus, the pride is not misplaced.

Whereas, unless you have played some meaningful role in placing America where it is today, you have no real strong reason to feel proud. Fortunate... sure... proud.... nah.
 
Personally, I'm proud that I do my part to preserve the great legacy of earlier Americans; I do things like vote in elections, and I'm proud to see my fellow countrymen do the same. This applies to many different aspects of American society. All this adds up to being proud of my country, which is more than just territorial boundaries.

You all act like we're just observers of society, instead of active participants.
 
fortified_concept said:
I better not comment on the values part because it's going to be a loooooong discussion and I want to go to sleep. I just want to ask a question.

Does every country has a specific set of values imprinted on its citizens? I honestly didn't know that. So do people from San Franscisco have the same values as the people living in a small town in Texas?
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The values of the country in the context of my post are equal to those protected by our Constitution. The right to free speech, the right to vote, etc.
 
Robot Without A Cause said:
Personally, I'm proud that I do my part to preserve the great legacy of earlier Americans; I do things like vote in elections, and I'm proud to see my fellow countrymen do the same. This applies to many different aspects of American society. All this adds up to being proud of my country, which is more than just territorial boundaries.
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That is completely different. Like I said, as a citizen you can earn the right the be proud by actively participating in the process.

Its the merely being proud by accident of birth that is the problem, and that was the comment made by Brit douche's wife that sparked this entire discourse.
 
Grug said:
So the skrew's of gave have already labelled anyone who refuses to get manipulated by reality television as "elite"?

Frankly, both families in the episode disgusted me. The children of both are doomed from what I can see.

The children of the British man will grow up as emotionally stunted repressives and the children of the midwesterns will grow up as uneducated simpletons who talk about how they are proud Americans while they live off insurance scams.
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Was waiting for this. The guy may have an education, but he certainly didn't pick up a damn about parenting. Not like her family will do much better either like you said.

In her defense though, from what I gathered from the clips (haven't seen the episode itself), she didn't seem to really trying ti impose anything on his kids. Just giving them an experience of something different, or what she felt they needed.

But yeah, that show is edited to hell, and I completely agree with what the guy has to say about types of Americans. I don't agree with his demeanor though.
 
Grug said:
Oh boy, the person who takes people to task for completely misrepresenting things out of context has made a very ironic mistake.

I refer you back to post #210 sport.

Your child graduating from college is an achievement in which you have played some significant part. You have raised and nurtured them in a supportive environment which has allowed them to be successful. Thus, the pride is not misplaced.

Whereas, unless you have played some meaningful role in placing America where it is today, you have no real strong reason to feel proud. Fortunate... sure... proud.... nah.
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You also missed the point of that post. Explain why my being proud of my constitution or my bill of rights suggests I feel mine is the only country that possesses these things.

You can be proud of things you did not directly cause or influence. I live in a country that supports these things and that makes me proud. Additionally I vote. I have upheld the system I believe in.
 
Grug said:
Whereas, unless you have played some meaningful role in placing America where it is today, you have no real strong reason to feel proud. Fortunate... sure... proud.... nah.
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A role like what? Voting? Paying taxes? Oh IDK, military service?
 
This stupid motherfucker doesn't even know what culture is. He's got an education, and he's got money, but he's a waste of space otherwise.

Holy shit if he gets another one of those t-shirts I'm gonna flip out.
 
Grug said:
You'd swear America was the only country that has a bill of rights and freedom of speech. :lol

Being "proud" of your country for its features of governance is equivalent to being "proud" of your PS3 for having a Blu-Ray Drive or "proud" that your fridge keeps drinks cold.

So much misplaced "pride".
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No, but every country has a different way of doing things. What's wrong with appreciating, and taking pride in, the way your country does it?
 
KHarvey16 said:
You can be proud of things you did not directly cause or influence.
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Well looks like we have to agree to disagree then. I consider such pride misplaced, you don't.

And since you are the champion of the right to free speech, you'll just have to groove on it. :D
 
fortified_concept said:
Wow this is surprising and new. A rightwinger taking cheap shots at me with predictable one-liners. Honestly this is the first time that has happened!
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I'm right wing? ROFL. Re-re poster confirmed.
 
mre said:
No, but every country has a different way of doing things. What's wrong with appreciating, and taking pride in, the way your country does it?
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Where did I say you can't 'appreciate' it?.... but I suspect the feeling you think is pride is actually something else. When you feel truly proud about something, you'll know.
 
Grug said:
That is completely different. Like I said, as a citizen you can earn the right the be proud by actively participating in the process.

Its the merely being proud by accident of birth that is the problem, and that was the comment made by Brit douche's wife that sparked this entire discourse.
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Have you never been proud of a friend's actions? You don't have to have influenced them, just observed something done well. "You gave a great speech. I know it was difficult for you to be up there in front of everyone. I'm proud of you." Nothing like that? Or have you ever been proud of your baseball team even if all you did was warm the bench?
 
Grug and Fortified actually made me laugh out loud hard reading this thread.

Hard to imagine people like you guys really exist. What tangled and lonely lives you must live.

And apparently you cant be proud of America unless you vote right?

Can I be proud of my grandma when, through her shaky hands, paints a picture? Yes. Did I paint it? Did I help her? Did I grab her arm and draw it for her? No. But I still am proud.

Being proud doesn't mean you have to have any direct influence. God damn.

proud (proud)
adj. proud·er, proud·est
1. Feeling pleasurable satisfaction over an act, possession, quality, or relationship by which one measures one's stature or self-worth

Now swallow.
 
FunkyMunkey said:
Grug and Fortified actually made me laugh out loud hard reading this thread.

Hard to imagine people like you guys really exist. What tangled and lonely lives you must live.

And apparently you cant be proud of America unless you vote right?

Can I be proud of my grandma when, through her shaky hands, paints a picture? Yes. Did I paint it? Did I help her? Did I grab her arm and draw it for her? No. But I still am proud.

Being proud doesn't mean you have to have any direct influence. God damn.

proud (proud)
adj. proud·er, proud·est
1. Feeling pleasurable satisfaction over an act, possession, quality, or relationship by which one measures one's stature or self-worth

Now swallow.
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So when someone says they are a "proud American" are they proud of their country or themself?
 
Grug said:
Where did I say you can't 'appreciate' it?.... but I suspect the feeling you think is pride is actually something else. When you feel truly proud about something, you'll know.
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Your problem is that you think your narrow definition of pride is the only correct one. However, let's assume it is. As a previous poster pointed out, we are not passive observers of our society. We vote, pay taxes, and, some of us, serve the country via military service. We are active participants in the society, and may therefore, under your definition of pride, be proud of the society in which we live and the way we do things.
 
cyclonekruse said:
Have you never been proud of a friend's actions? You don't have to have influenced them, just observed something done well. "You gave a great speech. I know it was difficult for you to be up there in front of everyone. I'm proud of you." Nothing like that? Or have you ever been proud of your baseball team even if all you did was warm the bench?
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Were you proud of Afghanistan when they had a free election.

If so, does that make you "proud Afghanistani"?
 
demon said:
I'd imagine that being a parent, you would have had some role in your child graduating college.
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You could be a dead beat dad who left the home when the child was a baby, resulting in the mother finding some other guy to full the role and still be proud of your child after 20 odd years of never seeing them and having no part in their life.

. . . Just saying. I mean, we all contribute something to our home land . . . be it the civil rights movement or voting. >_>

And why are people debating with fortified_concept? He openly said that he is a douchebag and contributes nothing to society.
 
Grug said:
So when someone says they are a "proud American" are they proud of their country or themself?
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They are proud of what their country stands for.

"1. Feeling pleasurable satisfaction over an act, possession, quality, or relationship by which one measures one's stature or self-worth."

I have NO idea who the hell gave you guys such a butchered and seemingly almost mistranslated definition of "proud".
 
mre said:
Your problem is that you think your narrow definition of pride is the only correct one. However, let's assume it is. As a previous poster pointed out, we are not passive observers of our society. We vote, pay taxes, and, some of us, serve the country via military service. We are active participants in the society, and may therefore, under your definition of pride, be proud of the society in which we live and the way we do things.
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Are you people even appreciating this discussion in the context of, and in reference to the thread it is in?

This is about MISPLACED pride. People cracked the shits when that woman had the audacity to suggest that she wasn't proud of being American on the mere fact that she was born here.
 
I think being proud of your country is like being proud of your grandparents and their accomplishments. You don't choose your parents or grandparents, nor do you usually have much to do with their accomplishments, but can't you still be proud of them? Or is pride only reserved for your own accomplishment. Maybe this is just an argument on semantics.
 
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