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Wii U Community Thread
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Apophis2036
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They would have also sold far more consoles to PS360 gamers if the system was a full generational leap in the year / 18 months between Wii U launch and PS4 / 720's launch.
As i said it's going to be near impossible to sell 100 million Wii U's so why not sell 30 million and build a true generational leap than sell 40 million with a 20% leap.
I know why... business
.GameplayWhore
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You mean making the Super Wii as an analogy to the NES's Super NES. For some reason, this concept keeps escaping me.
I really do wish that they had made the Wii controller with backwards compatibility in mind. They could have easily made it so that the controller had one analog, one set of four thumb buttons (doubling as a d-pad), and two finger buttons, and then they would magically have a controler than when doubled would have been functionally compatible with all prior games. Except that you'd get all the new features, including that sweet, sweet ability to not have your hands crammed together the whole time you're playing.
Heh, I actually gave up on it once I discovered that to add your own custom features (like media streaming), you had to completely disable their app store. I really should get a Raspberry Pi once of these days.
As i said it's going to be near impossible to sell 100 million Wii U's so why not sell 30 million and build a true generational leap than sell 40 million with a 20% leap.
I know why... business
Aye, plus it's boring to have a product that's pretty much the same thing as all the other ones.
snowdog1971
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We also know that an unrevealed third party is working on a game powered by CryEngine 3.
We should hear more about this game and others during the next few months.
I also think there's something about either the GamePad or the console that Nintendo are keeping under wraps, Iwata (I think it was) said that they were holding something back to prevent competitors from copying whatever it is. Could just be something OS or software related though, maybe..?
Then I guess they had proper support this gen too! Wii got FIFA, it was was just a "different experience"!
The Wii U version of FIFA 13 is "more tied to" FIFA 12. The PS360 versions aren't. That's dumb. I'm not buying the Nintendo version for touch controls.
The only thing not "proper" as far as EA's support of Wii with FIFA was the lack of any effort to improve the games visuals over what they were on GC/PS2. We've already heard that FIFA for WiiU will use the latest graphics engine, in fact it'll be the best looking version.
Basically you disagree with EA producing a unique version of the game that takes advantage of WiiU's pad features. I can totally understand that because I don't really like the sound of it myself (though I'll give it a chance alongside my usual PC version of FIFA). I just don't see it as a lack of support or something that should be ridiculed. For all we know it could end up as a fantastic game (some of the Football games on Wii were unique yet actually excellent games).
Apophis2036
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Why couldn't they have released a powerful system and the tablet screen along with Wii remote support could have been optional with the core controller bundled with the system ?.
They used $50 of the hardware budget on something that 1) puts a lot of people off as they see it as a novelty / gimmick, 2) third parties are scared to develop for it as they don't know how to approach it gameplay wise and most importantly, 3) its using up processing power from the main console, reducing what you can display / how fast it can run on screen.
I facepalmed hard when i read if you used two tablet controllers on one system for local MP, the framerate would drop to 30 fps, imagine F Zero, Smash Bros or Mario Kart at 30 fps...
That's a guess you're stating as fact, isn't it? Pikmin 3 is probably already done and could be shipped today. If it's between Pikmin and NSMB for which one shows up first day, I'd say Pikmin. But that's just me. My predictions: Nov 18th launch.
My guess is that Nintendo will launch with Wii Fit U and NintendoLand (which will be bundled). Pikmin 3 will be there too, as their core audience game. That franchise is loved, but many overlook it, so it needs the launch attention.
They'll make NSMB U their big December title to continue momentum, ala Melee for GC and Kart 7 for 3DS. This way people will have a chance to buy Rayman, as showing that 3rd parties can get sales needs to be #1 on Nintendo's to-do list. They certainly don't need 2 quality 2D platformers competing, and Rayman would get ignored. So at least give that game a few weeks to shine. And Zombi U will give them a "mature" / FPS option that will hopefully show some strong 3rd party sales as well.
We'll see P-100 during the Jan-Apr software drought, since it's a new IP and will also need the attention of being the only thing of note being released in that window. Maybe Wario Ware then too. That game just doesn't seem fleshed out enough to me to seem ready. Unless that's potentially an e-shop only release. That one would just end up getting ignored in favor of NintendoLand anyway if it launched.
One scene of Panorama View will be in the software as a tech demo like FaceRaiders, with options to download more at the e-store.
E-store will launch with Luigi's Mansion for GameCube and probably little else. A nice tie in for the 3DS version, at least. Jan-Apr will see a GameCube e-store push to combat the software drought. Maybe even a Wii classic game or two will crop up.
I also expect a Wii Sports U announcement soon, maybe at a Nintendo Direct for an early 2013 release. Wii Motion Plus version of tennis, an HD version of bowling, along with the already shown Golf and Baseball.
E3 2013 we'll finally see some bigger budget games that are certainly in development but were too early to show. Retro's project will probably be Kart U, since they worked on the 3DS version. Or Donkey Kong Returns 2 - but again, there's already enough 2D love IMO. Maybe DKR would be a 3DS title?
Fourth Storm
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Yes, basically a Super Wii. The "revolution" so to speak could have been in the system's software features, such as online functionality. Worked for the 360.
Your BC Wii Remote would be cool if they figured out how to make 4 buttons into a decent dpad. Also, I'd imagine the analog stick would probably end up having to be more of a circle pad or it would be awkward to reach your thumb over.
Anyway, I suppose we're just torturing ourselves here...
Needest you ask? The price.
Edit: And it's the same answer as to why the framerate will drop when using two Gamepads. They'd have to add another hardware encoder, the costs of which they are not willing to eat.
you guys still think Wii U will get legitimate third party support? it can't even get proper support during the ps3/360's lifetime, what's gonna happen when ps4/720 drop?
Do people still think the PS4 will be cutting edge even when Sony is losing tons of money?.
GameplayWhore
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That's kind of our M.O.
Hero of Legend
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Now we have a potential confirmation of Bioshock Infinite being Wii U-bound?
http://www.clickonline.com/games/bioshock-infinite-pushed-back-on-wii-u/12166/
They claim 2K said so, but I want to hear it from the horse's mouth.
http://www.clickonline.com/games/bioshock-infinite-pushed-back-on-wii-u/12166/
They claim 2K said so, but I want to hear it from the horse's mouth.
Already posted, probably crap.
I wouldn't accused Sony of always making good business decisions. Sony's issues in their various divisions and the huge problem with the Vita would naturally make one think Sony would be conservative when it comes to the PS4. Focus on service over power and make sure the system was affordable and profitable on day one. Doesn't mean that's what Sony will do. Most are expecting Sony to push for more power and a expensive system. That's what their track record has shown as recent as the Vita. Until proven otherwise I'm expecting a repeat of that with the PS4.
I really only posted that post because I'm tired of people being like "What Fifa 13 is based on Fifa 12?, I guess Nintendo will never get third party support" because of 1 game, I find it annoying and predicting a future that can be very wrong.
i loved that level, and the design is pretty good, but also really deceptive. it actually tells you when to jump through the music and not just the placement of the obstacles, which makes things a bit easier. the music also doesn't happen because of what you do, but because of how far you progress.
i played sound shapes almost right afterwards, and it was like seeing this concept blown up into a full game. sound shapes is fucking great.
also, i don't think ubisoft will keep it exclusive to the wii u. the wii version of origins outsold the others, but only barely. plus, these guys also put the first raving rabbids out on the 360, a console that really couldn't replicate what the wii version did at the time. they'll want to make their money anywhere they can.
Jaded Alyx
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There's nothing surprising about this particular move, if true, and has nothing to do with third-party stances regarding Nintendo.
you guys still think Wii U will get legitimate third party support? it can't even get proper support during the ps3/360's lifetime, what's gonna happen when ps4/720 drop?
Ask PC FIFA players. Ask those who bought FIFA for Vita.
They will do, I don't know how, it will defenitively one exciting show to see.
Apophis2036
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Yes definitely, they need the hardware power for the type of games they create (Gran Turismo, Uncharted, God of War ect) they also need the power for parity with the 720 for cross platform games.
The Wii U never needed to be ridiculously powerful at all, it just had to be a noticeable leap over PS360 and so far it is not.
Nintendo went with the tablet cost over a powerful CPU / GPU combo.
At E3 we didn't see that, doesn't mean we won't see it.
Apophis2036
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Fifa 12 on PC is at last the exact same game as it is on PS360.
Because then its a pointless exercise. You don't get wide spread support for a peripheral if its not bundled with the system as standard, that's been proven time and time again.
Well it isn't using up any processing power by default, its completely up to the developer to decide what kind of processing power they want to use for the controller, if any. So I don't see any issue there, its not like developers are limited in any way by the screen being their.
That's not an issue of system power and only effects the frame rate on the controller screens. Basically if you're running a game and displaying something on one controller at 60fps then if you change that to two controllers and want to display on both it would have to drop to 30fps on the controller screens, not on the TV. If the game is already 30fps then using two controllers won't change anything (unless you go bat shit crazy with the power you use to render the frames for the controller of course). The most obvious conclusion we can gather from this is that either the wireless protocol that transfers frames to the WiiU controller (or the dedicated chip that encodes them, or a bit of both) can only handle sending 60 frames per second without effecting input latency. So using two controllers at 60fps wouldn't be possible, hence they split the controller frames between both controllers.
Glad to know at least someone here can read. My neck was tired from so much head-shake. The statement clearly implied a difference in some gameplay mechanics, while running on current graphics/physics engine. Not sure how it went down hill from there.
In any event, it's an odd game-play mechanics choice. I suspected similar reason you suggested. If I had to guess why; I'd imagine that they wanted this version to be less sim-heavy, and easier for the casual sports fan to get into. All this could have been handled by an "arcade mode" where they just turn off a few sim-based features. But maybe they couldn't strike a balance between an arcade mode, in combination with heavy gamepad use, so they just settled for one mode with the omission of certain mechanics, and called it a day. All speculation, of course.
Do people still think the Vita will be cutting edge even when Sony is losing tons of money?
They don't give a fuck. I think it'll be cutting edge, yes. Even though it really doesn't make much sense...
Apophis2036
Banned
You're right and i will cry tears of joy when i see all the big first party Nintendo IP's built from the ground up on Wii U hardware.
They will still be blown away by all the big first party Sony and MS games tho as their hardware is around 4 times as powerful but meh, as many people in here say graphics aren't everything.
I simply wanted Wii U to be more of a full generational leap over PS360 so it would be as attractive as possible to third parties when it came to ports.
Considering they are struggling to get PS360 ports for the big games, the future does not look good for next gen third party games.
Jaded Alyx
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Yes. At last.
Apophis2036
Banned
Sony and MS lose a ton of money on hardware until the first revision, for the first few years they make all their money on software sales.
You have to remember aswell that altho Sony are losing money they are a far, far bigger company than Nintendo as videogames is only a part of what they make, same for MS.
Well what we heard of the PS4 and 720 as well even they won't be a full generational leap, no next gen console will.
Fourth Storm
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Doesn't make much sense? They'd lose a huge portion of their potential userbase if their graphics aren't comparable to 720. That's what Playstation consumers expect, and if they delivered a Wii-like system (which only Nintendo fans seem to be calling for), the backlash would be catastrophic. They don't need to edge out MS in every single department, but they absolutely need to be in the ballpark graphically, even if it seems financially risky. Sony understand this.
Bioshock Infinite confirmed for Wii U?
Of course, please give me the obligatory smackdown if this has already been posted:
First source: http://mynintendonews.com/2012/08/02/bioshock-infinite-confirmed-for-wii-u/
Primary source: http://www.clickonline.com/games/bioshock-infinite-pushed-back-on-wii-u/12166/
Of course, please give me the obligatory smackdown if this has already been posted:
First source: http://mynintendonews.com/2012/08/02/bioshock-infinite-confirmed-for-wii-u/
Primary source: http://www.clickonline.com/games/bioshock-infinite-pushed-back-on-wii-u/12166/
Jesus christ, mynintendonews just posted about the Bioshock Infinite thing with the title 'BioShock Infinite Confirmed For Wii U'. Gaf has to add Zelda Informer and mynintendonews to the banned list -_-
edit: someone just posted it above me
Posted 2x before you, its 99% likely bullshit
edit: someone just posted it above me
Posted 2x before you, its 99% likely bullshit
Neither XBox3 or PS4 look cutting edge at the moment IMO, certainly powerful enough though. I agree that going cutting edge really doesn't make any sense, its been shown to be a bad strategy.
tkscz
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Been posted? Yes. Believable? No.
Apophis2036
Banned
AMD 4 Core Jaguar CPU, at least 4GB's of Ram and a 1.5 - 1.8 teraFLOP GPU is a full generational leap when you put them up against consoles which had slower CPU's, 512MB's of Ram and 240 - 300 gigaFLOP GPU's.
Fourth Storm
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How so? They're rumored to be using Jaguar cores, which aren't even out yet, and DDR4, which isn't even out yet. As far as the GPUs go, they seem to be basing their designs off the latest shader model, DX, OpenGL, etc. Possibly GCN cores. Maybe there are cards with more "beef" in the PC market, but Sony/MS seem to be cramming as much in as they can while still keeping it a "console."
I'm sorry, but I've heard this line way too many times in this thread and I have to start calling it out as bullshit. Was it a bad strategy for PS2? What about the 360? Those were both cutting edge, and wiped the floor with the competition. The only place where the strategy failed was with PS3, and that was only because of the "kitchen sink" approach they took. Kutaragi had just lost his mind at that point.
Edit: Ok, maybe 360 didn't "wipe the floor" but it has been damn successful and still has some life in it. The whole RROD issue could have been avoided as well with the mere inclusion of a decent heatsink from day 1.
The Wii to the Wii U is a full generational leap as well than.
Apophis2036
Banned
How long will this EA event tonight, is it streamed online ?.
Fifa 13, Madden 13, Tiger Woods 13, MoH 2, UFC EA and BF4 all confirmed for Wii U... Believe !!!!!!.
Fifa 13, Madden 13, Tiger Woods 13, MoH 2, UFC EA and BF4 all confirmed for Wii U... Believe !!!!!!
.Ah, I see. Thanks for the correction! Still not too happy about this. The improvements to the physics/mechanics (first-touch control etc) sound fantastic and after playing 12 to death I'm looking forward to the upgrade.
How long will this EA event tonight, is it streamed online ?.
Fifa 13, Madden 13, Tiger Woods 13, MoH 2, UFC EA and BF4 all confirmed for Wii U... Believe !!!!!!
http://www.ea.com/1/summer-showcase
Very arguable, especially when you compare it to the leap between PS2 and PS3.
Apophis2036
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The Wii U is a huge jump from the Wii but that really isn't hard is it considering the Wii was a slightly more powerful Gamecube with 10 year old architecture.
If the Wii U GPU is 480 gigaFLOPs (lowest estimate i have read), then its 40 times more powerful than the Wii GPU.
If the Wii U has 2GB's of Ram it has almost 23 times more Ram than the Wii.
No one really knows about the CPU but i would imagine it's at least 10 times as powerful as the Wii CPU.
Like i said i can't wait to see Mario EAD, Metroid, Zelda and Retros game built from the ground up on it, my only complaint is that we never seen any of them at E3, that and the total information blackout from Nintendo since early June.
In mynintendonews' defence, they used this article as a source and it does mention the following:
Does anyone have any info regarding the bolded whether a Wii U version was even mentioned, or was it a private meeting?
Really it's this Mark O'Beirne who should take the heat if he's just making stuff up.
chertipros
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Apophis2036
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Suppose it all depends on what you view as a full generational leap.
The Wii U is a MASSIVE leap over the original Wii but barely twice as powerful as PS360, if those PS4 / 720 leaked stats are correct then they will be 6-8 times as powerful as PS360.
Anything over five times the power is a full generational leap for me but i guess it is just all opinion
.lordfroakie
Member
I don't get the hype for nonexistent nextgen consoles. Once they are official revealed, gaf would pull an 180.
chertipros
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I understand the take two president comments and all, but would anyone really be surprised if Bioshock infinite becomes a wii u title? Really i wouldn't be. I mean ken levine was in the wii u developer reel from e3 2011. I don't care what ken has to say about it, but there is no way nintendo would put him in there for no reason
Not as big though compared to PS2 to PS3.
Suppose it all depends on what you view as a full generational leap.
The Wii U is a MASSIVE leap over the original Wii but barely twice as powerful as PS360, if those PS4 / 720 leaked stats are correct then they will be 6-8 times as powerful as PS360.
Anything over five times the power is a full generational leap for me but i guess it is just all opinion
From what I read around here the Wii U is 3-4x more powerful than the PS3/360, if the PS4 and 720 are 6-8x more powerful that's definitely in the range of the Wii U in a way.
Its still low of them to use 'confirmed' in the title as if it was actually announced
Btw, all you gotta do is search to see its bullshit, takes 5 seconds - http://seekingalpha.com/article/767...sses-q1-2013-results-earnings-call-transcript
Journalism does suck
R
Rösti
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The two most recent filings:
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/946581/000104746912007602/a2210397z10-q.htm
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/946581/000110465912052718/a12-17379_1ex99d1.htm
Only quote about Wii U I can find is this:
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