I think it will have a much bigger impact in Japan. We'll see though.
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I think it will have a much bigger impact in Japan. We'll see though.
I've seen that, I'm guessing they will find a way to support both Motion controls and button controls.
Apophis2036
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As rabid as Nintendo and even NSMB fans are i think Nintendo are making a huge mistake releasing two games from the series in the space of 3 months, esp expecting them both to shift hardware.
I couldn't believe my ears when i heard the 3DS XL was being released such a small time frame before Wii U, it has the potential to canabalize the Wii U hardware and software sales imo.
How many people have enough money in this economy to buy both a 3DS XL, NSMB 2, a Wii U and NSMB U in the space of three months, i doubt many, esp the mass market audience Nintendo seem to be targeting with Wii U launch software.
I just don't think that will be a significant factor. Wii and DS both excelled for years alongside each other.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Agreed. I see Nintendo treating WiiU like 3DS in terms of first party support. If so Id be so happy. The 3DS has been getting great after great game non stop since december last year.
Yeah its easily the most likely candidate Nintendo have for a really big budget title. Closely followed by Zelda if they go with something based on the E3 demo (hopefully
)curlyfriski
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The thing about the mass market, though, is that it's such a large potential audience. Even if some people decide to go the 3DS XL route, there's still plenty more left who didn't buy anything and can still purchase a Wii U. I think the real problem for Nintendo is the possibility that people will simply get tired of the NSMB formula.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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This might be true in begining..but NSMBU is a console lifetime selling game. Itll prolly hit 20+ million by the end off WiiUs life span.
Apophis2036
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How many Wii consoles were sold in the first week / month / year ?.
curlyfriski
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I'm sure it'll be a lifetime seller, it's not like Nintendo are milking the franchise to Activision levels. It'll be hard to match the DS and Wii versions. They were both hardware-shifters, but they were also buoyed by being attached to consoles that were already extremely successful.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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From here on out itll be like that from every Nintendo console. The Wii and DS has had so much success that people who dont follow Nintendo think that any thing less than was Nintendo being lucky with DS and Wii, and that everything else is a failure if it fails to meet Wii DS numbers.
3DS and Wii U are 2 Nintendo hardware platforms that are on 2 different markets. You think that people have to buy both? I don't think so.
NSMBU will be a system seller. Nintendo has to make sure they are both different enough.
Because Nintendo is not expecting their target audience will buy both:
Wii U in it's first year will be for fans, gadget freaks and people who like to buy consoles at launch. Small audience in general. The only exception to the rule was Wii, where everyone wanted the damn thing. I was lucky I got one in 2006.
Wii U in it's first year will be for fans, gadget freaks and people who like to buy consoles at launch. Small audience in general. The only exception to the rule was Wii, where everyone wanted the damn thing. I was lucky I got one in 2006.
DeuceGamer
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I just have trouble believing there is this much trouble with the CPU porting games from systems 6-7 years old. I know there are good explanations that have been discussed such as, code optimized for the current gen CPU's, Wii U's GPGPU, etc.... One thing I was curious about is it possible Nintendo opens up extra CPU power that was originally set aside for the OS, System features, etc....? Is there any reason that the actual system will feature a CPU that is actually more powerful then what is in the Dev Kits which would fix these "architectural issues" we/you have heard about?
Also, isn't a game like AC3 pushing PS360 pretty close to any game to this point? If Wii U can run it is it a matter of some dev "figuring out the hardware" sooner than others?
To be clear, I'll be picking one up most likely based off the Gamepad, Exclusives, etc... I'll also be buying either PS4/Nextbox also but I think it's beneficial to the game industry to have a successful Nintendo for innovation, competition, etc....
Skyward sword had brilliant dungeons and puzzle solving. Hell the flying beetle alone could be its own game. It was a fantastic weapon.
Also, of monolith could design the overworld for the next Zelda, that would be epic!
My problems with SS was the stuff that occurred outside of dungeons, like the paths to the temples, fetch quests, and lack of interesting NPC's.
Zelda Wii U having motion + controls with the tablet to be used for maps and weapon inventory (kinda like Pikmin 3) would be my preferred method but ik okay with going back to standard controls.
Also, of monolith could design the overworld for the next Zelda, that would be epic!
My problems with SS was the stuff that occurred outside of dungeons, like the paths to the temples, fetch quests, and lack of interesting NPC's.
Zelda Wii U having motion + controls with the tablet to be used for maps and weapon inventory (kinda like Pikmin 3) would be my preferred method but ik okay with going back to standard controls.
I think Metroid needs to go straight up against Halo. Meaning they need to add a huge emphasis on adding in a great online competitive multiplayer system. I know there are a lot of folk who would burn me at the stake for saying that, but if they ever want Metroid to be as big as it should, that is what it needs.
Metroid competes against Halo on the Single player part and probably to a lot of people it wins. But without the multiplayer, the HD twin people don't see it as anything to beat an eyelash at.
Nintendo fans will disagree, but I would place bets that if it got multiplayer on level with Halo/CoD it would be a 5-8 million seller on it's first Wii-U entry instead of a 1-2 million seller and only grow with each installment.
How about Nintendo just introducing a new franchise.
bgassassin
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I agree with EC and Dreamwriter in that it would be for heat and cost. I do believe Nintendo is overcompensating for heat, but even if they adjusted accordingly now you're looking at costs increasing.
And it goes back to thinking about the future and not the present if
Yeah. For even Iwata to mention "slightly different architecture" suggests there is something going on. I don't see him feeling the need to say so in comparison to PS360 if there was no issue. AMD probably promoted what they felt were benefits to emphasizing computing on the GPU. It's still weird to me that the "full" target specs mention compute shaders which as we know is a DX11 component unless there that was an attempt on Nintendo's part
That is info that has been tough to find even in past searches. POWER6 is older than what I'd like to use as a reference, though there wasn't really much I could find when I used to look. This time around I looked more at that L4 cache of the z196, but not much there either. That said considering GC's 1T-SRAM main memory even had a ~10ns latency, I'd like to believe Nintendo would have a design that could surpass an appox. 12-year old design. I've seen that IBM's eDRAM is supposed to have less than 2ns latency, but I think there is a lack of info as to what that means exactly. Also at 32MB that would put the size of that chunk of memory at ~67mm^2. I don't see them putting that on-die.
EDIT: Correction. I was still using 45nm measurements. 32nm eDRAM is supposedly 11Mbit/mm^2 so that would put it at ~23mm^2. I guess that's manageable, but I still see them having it on the module instead of on-die. But of course that's my take at least.
I could see Metroid being the Halo of Nintendo. I agree that in order for it to grow, it needs a deep, engrossing multiplayer experience.
Kai Dracon
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The only way I want to see Metroid go against Halo is if they follow the Halo 4 model (and Halo 4 is already looking REALLY Metroid Prime-ish in terms of stylization...).
Do not fuck with primary Samus concept of exploration / platforming. Do not have multiplayer involve Samus in any way. No 16 Chozo Power Suits running around in deathmatch.
Instead bring in the Federation space navy and have a detachment of marines be the multiplayer and co-op characters who are on their own parallel missions. Essentially like the Infinity in Halo 4. This also creates an excuse to not try and work in power suit gameplay like the morphball if it doesn't fit. The marines aren't Samus and don't have all the same gear. But they could have variations of it, such as weapons that the Federation has reverse engineered from Chozo ruins.
Do not fuck with primary Samus concept of exploration / platforming. Do not have multiplayer involve Samus in any way. No 16 Chozo Power Suits running around in deathmatch.
Instead bring in the Federation space navy and have a detachment of marines be the multiplayer and co-op characters who are on their own parallel missions. Essentially like the Infinity in Halo 4. This also creates an excuse to not try and work in power suit gameplay like the morphball if it doesn't fit. The marines aren't Samus and don't have all the same gear. But they could have variations of it, such as weapons that the Federation has reverse engineered from Chozo ruins.
I can't help but agree with this. The quality is there but features are not. Thing is I don't think Nintendo internally would be willing to do it (not that they aren't capable). It would take Nintendo allowing Retro to do it or having a 3rd party developer take over development using Metroid Prime as a base to work off of. At least for the multiplayer component. However I don't see Nintendo allowing this.
One it wouldn't do well with the Japanese customers and they make decisions first and foremost with that in mind. However with Metroid perhaps they've learned their lesson with Metroid Other M and understand why the Metroid Prime series did so well in comparison (developed by a western team and aimed mainly at the non-Japanese market. They went away from that after the Prime series was done and there is no telling they'd allow it again.). That's assuming they learned the right lessons from Other M's failure which I really doubt. Two they'd have to be willing to allow a game based on an core Nintendo IP to be developed in such a way that it would and could go against their games for everyone design. In order for it to be Nintendo's Halo and get the sales numbers similar (Metroid needs to be treated differently then Mario and even Zelda I think) it needs to not be aimed at certain people. If they want to try it fine but it can't be tailored to them.
The problem with the rumor is that it's implying that the initial "unprecedented" relationship is based on the outcome of the offer in the future that hasn't happened yet. That and I don't see Nintendo going to EA for network help in the first place.
2 years between GBA, GC, and DS releases, then 3 between DS, Wii, and 3DS. Going back to 2 years would be 2013. If you go with just the console releases it's 5 years between the last two releases, another 5 years would also be 2013.
They got around that in the 3DS by sticking the safety thing in as a separate app. And the Wii did have that a startup sequence...it was just really brief and plain.
Does NSMBU have the Miis in it from the old E3 showing? If so there's your difference maker! Make a cheesy commercial with people transforming into similar looking Miis and joining Mario in the game.
Free to play Metroid Prime Hunters: Federation vs Space Pirates, bonus tie ins/items when you buy Aliens: Colonial Marines or any other random game that can add in stuff.
ShockingAlberto
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.. go on
bgassassin
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Mihael Mello Keehl
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This. X's 2
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Tru dat! I wanted soooo much more time with it. Day 1 buy.
BTW, I noticed some depth of field ( am i using this right?) being used in the background while playing. It wasn't super noticeable because of the way the camera being position right on the action at all times, but it is there.
I have no doubt EA will be phoning it in, clearly they are now. I expected that from the start even with that E3 2011 showing. I felt at the time it was all talk until games started appearing. Third party developers/publishers have talked a good game before and I wasn't about to fall for it again. I wanted to be proven wrong but don't think that's happen or will happen. EA can have their "wait and see" approach. I'll wait and see myself in turn when it comes to their games. I won't be hoping they put out any games though. I'll spend money on games from companies that are are supporting the system and putting out full featured games for me to buy (that shows me they aren't trying to take advantage by trying to pass off crap).
Ubisoft on the other hand is a company I hope has success. I'm honestly interested in ZombiU and I'm willing to give AC3 a shot.
Enjoying the conversation about games. A few thoughts:
1 - On Skyward Sword - I feel like the team is doing a nice job of continuing to make 'Zelda' games but still making them different enough that everyone has strong reactions to those changes (both positive and negative). Strictly iterative design leads to a three game arc like Uncharted that can produce great games but can be too similar. I loved the dungeons and combat of Skyward Sword, but missed the exploration feeling of the world.
2 - On the NSMBs - I cannot fault Nintendo for giving the world more of what they want - they are two of the best selling games in forever. It is smart, not desperate, to launch along side Wii U and is a nice release for keeping the 3DS train rolling. I agree that I am not "excited" for either but for the people for whom Pikmin is too obtuse, it is a nice alternative.
1 - On Skyward Sword - I feel like the team is doing a nice job of continuing to make 'Zelda' games but still making them different enough that everyone has strong reactions to those changes (both positive and negative). Strictly iterative design leads to a three game arc like Uncharted that can produce great games but can be too similar. I loved the dungeons and combat of Skyward Sword, but missed the exploration feeling of the world.
2 - On the NSMBs - I cannot fault Nintendo for giving the world more of what they want - they are two of the best selling games in forever. It is smart, not desperate, to launch along side Wii U and is a nice release for keeping the 3DS train rolling. I agree that I am not "excited" for either but for the people for whom Pikmin is too obtuse, it is a nice alternative.
Can't see it.
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Spieler Eins
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I don't understand how people get that as him saying that they'll drop motion controls. He says they want to evolve them? Most probably they will drop it for shit like goddamn swimming, but keep it for combat.
He is saying that they have to find ways for the "hardcore" games like Zelda to be more accessible to a wider audience. I read that as watering down mechanics to sell more copies, but, whatever.
bgassassin
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You need to read that again. That's not what Iwata was saying at all.
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JordanN
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Ok, I re-read it and it wasn't talking about dev time.
Still, I'm not seeing any vibes of 'weaker than average parts' despite the architecture being different (which has been vague to this point).
Mr.LightMan
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I always took that as meaning it won't rely to much on Motion+ for everything. Use the IR pointer for the bow and what not while keeping swordplay the same.
I thought that MotionPlus fixed swimming: you had total control in the water. I can't believe there wasn't a swimming mini-game in the underused Lake Floria.
The whole thing was a mini-game.
bgassassin
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Sorry I completely missed this. This is based on speculation when looking at Xenos, Hollywood, and eDRAM size at 32MB.
We were talking about the architecture not dev time in those posts, though that does affect it. And where are you getting the "weaker" part from when that wasn't a part of the discussion?
Iwata was saying that devs have had six years to learn the other hardware (PS360), not "devs wont have to spend 6 years to fully understand the hardware because the environment isn't too foreign to what they're use to." He's saying that devs are only using half of Wii U's potential and the slightly different architecture is a part of the reason why.
Spieler Eins
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It was unnecessary and not natural like swinging for sword slashing. Just like many other actions that required motion outside of combat and certain items. Swimming also worked in Majoras Mask in a similar way.
Yeah I do think that the GPGPU stuff in the Wii U will set them in good stead but they could have had GPGPU AND a good CPU.
Sure but how much did Nintendo end up losing in money from software that just didn't appear on their systems? This is the sort of concern I have if the CPU sucks.
NOTE: In no way am I suggesting that a gimped Wii U CPU will result in the same disaster as the Wii wrt third parties.
JordanN
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It was from the post quoting eatchildren although I could of been interpreting the last part wrong.
Thunder Monkey
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Given the case size they probably couldn't have both.
I don't really understand why Nintendo cares so much about having a small console, the PS2 wasn't small and it sold 150 million so people really don't care about how big a console is.
Thunder Monkey
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That's an entire other bag of insanity we have to deal with there.
chertipros
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I don't think nintendo cares either. The nes was fucking huge and all their consoles afterwards were appropriately sized for the tech inside them.
I really think the Aug. Nintendo Direct will have some new info on WiiU games we know about and prob more on online and VC.
Then the Sept Conf. will be full launch details, Date, Price, whats in the Box, then Japanese support and final launch window games. Then the first look at some 2013 games like Smash Bros. 3DS, Retro Studios game, and some other 3rd party games.
Then the Sept Conf. will be full launch details, Date, Price, whats in the Box, then Japanese support and final launch window games. Then the first look at some 2013 games like Smash Bros. 3DS, Retro Studios game, and some other 3rd party games.
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