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Wii U Community Thread
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Nice, hopefully both come.
BlackNMild2k1
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I got a chance to talk to Reggie @ E3 very briefly this year, Analog Triggers was the main suggestion I made to him. He repeated it back to me knodded his head and said "Got it".
So hopefully he took the suggestion seriously and passed it on the decision makers to make it happen.
edit: And I'm sure I am one of many that made the same exact suggestion to him @ E3 this year.
I Stalk Alone
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Maybe there are two titles we have yet to hear about. They don't sound to be something considered a family title though.
They also filed for "Amaterasu" Which is the japanese goddess of the sun in 2010. Capcom has already used the goddess as the main character in okami. It probably will not use the same play on words (ōmikami, ookami and ōkami) that capcom used though. I would guess a monolith rpg or even Mistwalker. Sun Goddess, maybe Mother 4
The Last Ranger would be something I would put with a either a Shooter as in military ranger , maybe post Apocalyptic/Steam Punk/Space in setting or some kind of JRPG also with a Steam Punk setting. Maybe something collaborated with Mistwalker or Monolith but if it is a shooter then Retro.
MadeInBeats
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To be fair, I suffer from tourettes syndrome and he nodded his head to me and said got it when I shouted Cilit Bang at him!
playingwithfire
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Really, how come? I've not played it, but is Dillon referred to as a "ranger" in that game?
I'm really hoping it isn't just a sequel to something. I want something new.
Well Dillon is a cowboy in the game and "The Last Ranger" can sound like it has something to do with Dillon but it can be something new hopefully.
bgassassin
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Sooner or later I'm going to set aside some time to listen to him.
I made an error earlier responding to Fourth Storm in that I used the wrong measurement. Like I said in my edit, 32nm eDRAM is supposedly 11Mbit/mm^2 so that would put it at ~23mm^2. I guess that's manageable, but I still see them having it on the module instead of on-die. How I'm envisioning it is similar to Hollywood. ARM I/O and GPU on one chip, 32MB of eDRAM and audio DSP on another. In my expectation of two chips on the module maybe they changed it so the edram with with the GPU and the DSP and I/O are on the other. I obviously can't rule that out.
I look forward to the tear downs.
That's good, it could also help show company's that Nintendo fans want these core games.
Apophis2036
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Apophis2036
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If Ubisoft have AC 3 running on Wii U with more detail and a smoother frame rate than on PS360 then im calling laziness on EA's part for Fifa / Madden rather than the CPU being weak.
playingwithfire
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It definitely wasn't running as smooth as the other versions at e3.
Apparently this comes from
http://www.gametrailers.com/full-episodes/u6xhk7/invisible-walls-episode-217
With these quotes
http://www.gametrailers.com/full-episodes/u6xhk7/invisible-walls-episode-217
With these quotes
The gameplay videos from E3 say otherwise
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Was lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time. (Yes, it's me holding it.)
AAAGH! This is so frustrating. I guess all this secrecy is a consequence of Nintendo adapting to the instant social media age. The days of games being trailed for two years in advance are over...
*enter, Non-specific Action Figure*
Non-specific Action Figure, we have missed you.
Nintendo really should give him his own game.
Silas Lang
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I wonder what the other game is? Ridiculous Wii U is only a few months away and we possibly still don't know all the launch games...
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
I'd be extremely disappointed if he didn't appear in Smash Bros....
And speaking of new characters in Smash Bros - an interview with Tales producer Makoto Yoshizumi via that site you GO to. (It seems to be Google translated.)
http://kingdom-of-tales.net/news-568.html
Maybe its just that publishers dont want to announce games that wont make it for the launch?
The only thing I can see Nintendo telling publishers is to not mention any titles launching outside of the launch window, until this fall. The other thing has to do with their online service, which may cause some publishers to be quiet about some games that might make heavy use of it.
The Last Ranger sounds like a game Retro would make. They are sitting in Texas after all.
Metroid Hunter
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I found this pretty funny:
stupidvillager
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Well Fifa on Wii U is supposed to look better than the other two. I think its just lack of time on the Maddedn issue. NCAA 13 doesnt use the infinity engine either because of time constraints and its on current consoles.
It was already understood since the previous speculation threads that CPU-intensive porting from current gen would be an issue, expecially with the given time frame. So this stuff isn't surprising at all, but it's interesting to see how each developer tackles it.
As Donnie suggested, I too, believe that the Wii U is more future-proof - than it is at handling current ports - and was aimed at offering efficient real-world performance. The large cache(larger than what PS4/Xbox3 is targeting, last I checked) is at least some indication of how adamant Nintendo/IBM is about keeping as much data as possible "at hand" for fast processing. I would imagine that Nintendo was more concerned with real-world performance than they ever were.
Some people seem to have the idea that; if Wii U really is notably more powerful than current gen, then it would have no problem running CPU code optimized for current gen. But in fairness, with the vast difference in architecture, unoptimized code would probably be a challenge even if it did have more brute force.
Here's a twist for a change:
Let's say Wii U becomes market leader by a huge margin. If Orbis/Durango both end up with in-order-execution CPU's(I haven't been following recently), how will they - in theory - perform with Wii U CPU-intense ports? Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understand, code optimized for an OoOE CPU would be more crippling to an In-Order CPU(tons of wasted cycles) than it would vise versa. Wouldn't devs be forced to almost entirely re-wite their code? Any thoughts/comments on this?
As Donnie suggested, I too, believe that the Wii U is more future-proof - than it is at handling current ports - and was aimed at offering efficient real-world performance. The large cache(larger than what PS4/Xbox3 is targeting, last I checked) is at least some indication of how adamant Nintendo/IBM is about keeping as much data as possible "at hand" for fast processing. I would imagine that Nintendo was more concerned with real-world performance than they ever were.
Some people seem to have the idea that; if Wii U really is notably more powerful than current gen, then it would have no problem running CPU code optimized for current gen. But in fairness, with the vast difference in architecture, unoptimized code would probably be a challenge even if it did have more brute force.
Here's a twist for a change:
Let's say Wii U becomes market leader by a huge margin. If Orbis/Durango both end up with in-order-execution CPU's(I haven't been following recently), how will they - in theory - perform with Wii U CPU-intense ports? Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understand, code optimized for an OoOE CPU would be more crippling to an In-Order CPU(tons of wasted cycles) than it would vise versa. Wouldn't devs be forced to almost entirely re-wite their code? Any thoughts/comments on this?
ShockingAlberto
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I found this pretty funny:
Nintendo didn't make or design the Power Glove!
But this is what happened with the Wii.
It was the market leader, and the developers still tried to marginalize it because
it was different than the other two consoles.
In other words, developers will probably try to kill off the console and pretend they didnt understand it, or could not compete against Nintendo games, or say their core market has not bought the console, etc.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
The entire industry and development process cannot march solely to the beat of Nintendo's drum, if said march makes it difficult to work elsewhere. Any company that wishes to play "us or them" will lose. If Nintendo hypothetically created a system that required it be the lead SKU, making porting to the PS4/720/PC difficult, then they can enjoy developers rightfully giving them the finger.
XBox3 and PS4 are both using Jaguar cores which are out of order execution like WiiU, probably quite similar in performance as well (though they seem to be going with an extra core or so and a higher clock speed).
There's been no info to suggest that any of the WiiU CPU cores is locked to only the OS (like one ARM core was initially for 3DS). Its possible as always that efficiency improvements could lessen the OS overhead IF its even being run by the main CPU but who knows how significant of an effect that could have on improved processing power for gaming.
What should make a significant difference is the integration of the audio chip and I/O controllers into game engines. A lot of devs porting code over from 360 will still be doing I/O and audio on the main CPU just as 360 does, possibly taking up as much as one whole CPU core that could otherwise be freed up for other applications on WiiU.
That's what it stands for, yes.
http://www.joystiq.com/2012/08/04/get-your-nostalgia-to-mars-in-doom-3-bfg-edition/
I liked Doom 3 so I'll probably pick this up.
I understand that if you're trying to get every last cycle out of a system then slight differences in things like cache, latencies etc will matter. However seeing as most code I image is essentially 'C' and most power these days is GPU, I would have thought that the compilers take care of a lot of the work of making code optimal for games that don't stress the CPU. Therefore I would have expected at minimum the same performance as current HD systems.
I don't know enough about xenon and what might be in Wii U to know for sure, but it just doesn't sit right with me. Also, I imagine that these Jaguar or Steamrollers will still annihilate Wii U and therefore by brute force will pose no problems in running current gen HD titles.
That's what the 360 was like though right? Often lead SKU, and people had to jump through hoops to get games running on PS3 but the did it. Struggling for years all the while totally ignoring the Wii. But I agree in that Nintendo should NOT make A system too different.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
360 development was, as far as I'm aware, a pretty familiar environment though. Every generation comes with hoops, but much like the original Xbox the Xbox 360 allowed the application of acquired knowledge and experience gained from developing on, say, PC. PS3 was definitely hoops. Newell's dislike of the Cell is famous and Sony scrapping it for the PS4 says enough. But you only have to look to certain engines better optimised for the 360 and PC (eg: UE3), as well as the mess of early PS3 titles, to see the problems developers had/have.
Nintendo can create a unique development environment, but if they're going to do so they cant expect to be the lead SKU, not if it severely alienates the competition. Pubs are going to want to spread their expensive games across as many platforms as possible, and wont be too happy using the most difficult platform as the lead SKU.
This is, like, worst case scenario though. Wii scenario. And I don't think it's going to be like that.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Another tidbit from that site you GO to...
It seems that you can now pre-order the White or Black version of the Wii U at HMV stores here in the UK for just £10.
It seems that you can now pre-order the White or Black version of the Wii U at HMV stores here in the UK for just £10.
Another tidbit from that site you GO to...
It seems that you can now pre-order the White or Black version of the Wii U at HMV stores here in the UK for just £10.
Nice!, the thing now I'm worried by is the name, the logo doesn't really show U unless you really look at it, I still think Nintendo should of at least went with "Super Wii".
The compiler can only do so much to optimise things. We're talking about two CPU's with very different strengths and weaknesses. To turn code highly optimised for one CPU into something highly optimised for a very different CPU is going to take more than a re-compile.
Also Jaguar and Steamroller aren't on the same level, Jaguar is a lower performance CPU akin to Intel Atom. I don't see that kind of CPU annihilating WiiU's CPU core for core and clock for clock, but with the extra core/s and clock speed I am expecting something like twice the performance. Of course there wouldn't be much of a problem if any with current gen ports, its not as if there are major problems with current gen WiiU ports despite the different CPU.
Trust me I think "PNES" would get more awkward names than "Wii" got.
Nostremitus
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I think that's the point...
Goddamn Canadian retailers not offering a chance to preorder the Wii U.Another tidbit from that site you GO to...
It seems that you can now pre-order the White or Black version of the Wii U at HMV stores here in the UK for just £10.
Lol.
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