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Wii U Community Thread
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Yeah, but terribly and it would be at a considerably lower quality than what they can render now obviously.
Yup, that's one positive out of all these shitty launch title graphics. Until the PS4/720 com eout we'll get essentially identical looking ports, and then all of a sudden when developers start developing for those with Compute Shaders the Wii U games will all of a sudden get a bump.
Based on the currently announced launch line up, it's probably in my top 2 so yes.
I usually give my consoles to my younger brother and he keeps them until he doesn't want them anymore. Then we put them in the closet.
A few laters, there will be always a discussion like "Hey, remember game x on console y?" - "Yeah!.. Hey! I still got one and I got game x! Let's play that shit!". And then: plenty of nostalgic moments.
It definitely is on my top 3 must have games
and I said it before, so far, ZombiU is the only game that has sold me the console.
TheExplodingHead
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Pretty much, depending on the type of game Retro ends up making primarily. All in all though, I'm not expecting the EAD groups to blow us away with pure technical prowess...they have little experience with HD hardware development after all compared to ND/Santa Monica/GG/343. But in terms of great use of visual aesthetic and artstyles, my mouth should water, just not from the texture quality, particles, realistic lighting, tesselation or uber sampling
. That said, I'm most looking forward to seeing how Nintendo transitions it's 1st party house's visuals to HD. Especially games like Kirby, Yoshi's Island, Mario and Metroid. I'd love to see a real investment in artstyles and even surrealistic aesthetics (like the Mushroom Kingdom) be redefined artistically with better hardware, performance and resolution. "Pixar-quality" to me at this stage, seems a bit generic. Give me something visually I've never seen before.
TheCongressman1
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It looked great, but things were a bit difficult to see at some points because it was really busy. 3D environments in 2D games tend to make things unnecessarily busy. I think NSMB does get that right. It's always easy to see what is going on.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Sonic Generations has insane and incredible art direction and it is extremely resource-intensive (not from a hardware perspective, but from a development one).
That might also be why Sonic Generations is like three hours long - shorter if you take out the side-missions that reuse assets from the main levels.
That might also be why Sonic Generations is like three hours long - shorter if you take out the side-missions that reuse assets from the main levels.
Hey I used to beat the old Mario games in about as much time. I bought Star Fox 64 again for Wii and seriously, that's like an hour tops lol.
It's looking more and more likely for me, especially if impressions are decent and the amount of game content is worthwhile. I'm liking how it uses the gamepad. Very encouraging, especially coming from a third party.
And my Wii is going to stay as a GameCube player for the time being. I might eventually grab a GameCube, as the hardware seems tough as nails. Thinking really long-term, I want hardware that'll last me decades, so a backup GameCube or Wii is definitely on my shopping list..
{ I <3 physical media! }
It's currently one of the two games I plan on getting. The use of the controllers and the concepts they're going for have really stood out. Trying not to decide on the other in case more games get announced, especially Call of Duty: Black Ops 2.
I'll likely keep my Wii around as a GameCube player as well. My original GameCube does work but the Wii would do away with me needing to find the memory cards for it. The Wii lets you save GameCube saves to the system memory or SD cards right or is that just Wii games?
bgassassin
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Pretty much, depending on the type of game Retro ends up making primarily. All in all though, I'm not expecting the EAD groups to blow us away with pure technical prowess...they have little experience with HD hardware development after all compared to ND/Santa Monica/GG/343. But in terms of great use of visual aesthetic and artstyles, my mouth should water, just not from the texture quality, particles, realistic lighting, tesselation or uber sampling
That said, I'm most looking forward to seeing how Nintendo transitions it's 1st party house's visuals to HD. Especially games like Kirby, Yoshi's Island, Mario and Metroid. I'd love to see a real investment in artstyles and even surrealistic aesthetics (like the Mushroom Kingdom) be redefined artistically with better hardware, performance and resolution. "Pixar-quality" to me at this stage, seems a bit generic. Give me something visually I've never seen before.
It's interesting that you mention this. In the AMD demo I linked to the description talks about the usage of DirectCompute and its usage for the lighting. Thanks to the GPGPU rumor, this stuck out more to me than in the past.
That said is "Pixar-quality" something visually you've seen before in a video game?
I'd be totally okay with that for a new Mario sidescroller on Wii U. Regulate NSMB to handhelds. The classic section of Generations is everything I could have asked for for a modern day 2D Sonic game. New Super Mario Bros falls more along the lines of Sonic 4.
Where's Super Mario Generations, Nintendo?
TheExplodingHead
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I apologize, didn't catch that link, really haven't been following too closely on the tech talk about Wii U. Been a bit busy lately, you know how it is.
But no, can't say I've seen Pixar-quality in a video game (for approximate sake, because we both know even PS4/Xbox 3 won't reach true Pixar IQ frame-per-frame anyway). But my point was I've seen it all before in films and even attempted approximates in games to get the "Pixar-look", I'm just saying I'd opt for something totally artistically new, rather than reaching for something we see everyday on TV/Films. But don't even get me started about how Disney needs to go back to hand drawn cartoons and well done catchy musicals instead of the CGI cesspool that Disney overall has become...
Glad to see a lot of people are planning on getting it. I'm hoping it does well since it seems Ubisoft is actually trying with the Wii U.
Considering that Pikmin 3 and Rayman might not be launch day titles, you might have to get it
It's a must for me.
Considering that Pikmin 3 and Rayman might not be launch day titles, you might have to get it
It's a must for me.
Not me. I've never liked any survival horror games, there just not my thing. Another title that people seem to be getting excited over online is P-100, but again it doesn't really appeal to me. The two day 1 games I'll grab with the system are NSMBU and Darksiders II.
I don't care that some people aren't as happy about this Mario as others but to me it looks really good. The problem with NSMBW was the fact that the style and background art didn't look good, the gameplay itself was pretty much normal Mario, well from what I've seen of the backgrounds in NSMBU it looks like that problem was remedied, and the HD blocks pop just enough to make it the one game that convinced me to get a Wii U on launch day regardless of color or anything else, even though I probaly couldn't have resited new hardware anyway.
Darksiders II looks like it's coming along nicely as well. I've never played the first one because some of the negatives I heard and saw looked like the type of things that might bother me, but from what I've seen of DS2 so far it will likely do a good job of filling that action/adventure/RPG void at launch. I always need a game that is kind of a grand adventure with a story, especially since my number 1 game is a no-story 2D platformer.
The other 2 launch window games I will consider grabbing are Rayman Legends and Pikmin 3. I need to hear how Rayman Legends plays in single-player before committing, but if it's a good challenging platformer in single-player mode I will definetly buy it. Pikmin 3 I'm up in the air on, at E3 Nintendo only let people play it with the motion-plus and nunchuk. I don't really want to play it that way so I need to wait for reactions when it's played only with the gamepad. Miyamoto mentioned how some people at Nintendo use the gamepad almost exclusively while others (himself included I gather) believe in motion-plus, so I'll have to wait to know how good it is with the gamepad before deciding on that one.
Overall what's good for me is out of the 4 games that I would have interest in for the Wii U 2 are launch day (NSMBU, and DS2), and 2 are launch window (RL, and P3). I got the impression release dates are still undediced but based off comments, and how Nintendo's list reads it sure sounds like that's how it will play out, so that's perfect for me.
Yeah, it may end up that way. I'm not the biggest fan of Zombie games but I'm a huge survival horror fan and from what the interviews I have watched, it seems that the focus on survival horror is the true goal for this game.Considering that Pikmin 3 and Rayman might not be launch day titles, you might have to get it
It's a must for me.
They would have definetly gotten banned during the conference. Ace expected a lot more, and BP would have just flat out lost it.
Acebandage: "Twas a great E3"
BurntPork: "Nintendoomed"
5 Seconds later
BurntPork: "It was amazing"
5 Seconds later
BurntPork: "Nintendo is doomed! No third party support etc etc"
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Burnts I can actually see.
Ace... he had some fairly lofty expectations. And while no doubt he would have found a few things that looked great, overall he probably would have been disappointed. Maybe not as much as some of us.
I can't judge his adulation to Nintendo. I've got it in more than a few ways myself. I just try not to let it delude me as much as the inner squirrel who tries to break my spirit.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
*dances seductively*
Me and Grampa were never on at the same time to play any dirty games though.
I didn't know what Ace was expecting and how he felt after the presentation, so I came up with something so it wouldn't seem that I was just picking on BurntPork
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Hey in hindsight apparently my bare minimum wasn't even enough to vault over.I didn't know what Ace was expecting and how he felt after the presentation, so I came up with something so it wouldn't seem that I was just picking on BurntPork
So there's that.
Still can't believe nothing from 2013 was shown. Nothing to even allude to ongoing support.
I didn't know what Ace was expecting and how he felt after the presentation, so I came up with something so it wouldn't seem that I was just picking on BurntPork
He was modest with his predictions on the hardware, but he expected a lot from the games. He would have been really pissed at no 2013 titles. I remeber him saying "Retro's game will definetly be there" so that alone would have bothered him big time.
If HD Nintendo games look like Sonic Generations then I will be a happy man
Smiles and Cries
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I wonder if they think getting banned over Nintendo was worth it
Aliens CM and Injustice
Apologies if this has been posted. I couldn't find it, but it's over a week old so must be somewhere here.
"Wii U getting achievements, cloud storage, social networking"
http://wiiudaily.com/2012/06/wii-u-getting-achievements-cloud-storage-social-networking/
"Wii U getting achievements, cloud storage, social networking"
http://wiiudaily.com/2012/06/wii-u-getting-achievements-cloud-storage-social-networking/
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Aliens CM and Injustice
So was there just nothing at all ready to be shown then?
That bodes bad tidings about the future of 3rd party support.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Someone from GAF asked the Gearbox guys about Aliens and they couldn't talk about it..
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Hah!
DaSorcerer7
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Interesting stuff.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
I knew we made a mistake.
I'd be totally okay with that for a new Mario sidescroller on Wii U. Regulate NSMB to handhelds. The classic section of Generations is everything I could have asked for for a modern day 2D Sonic game. New Super Mario Bros falls more along the lines of Sonic 4.
Where's Super Mario Generations, Nintendo?
I'd rather have Zelda generations. Have to beat each dungeon 2D and 3D style.
Im wondering if they will launch AvP bundled with that gun accessory.
Probably why these guys are putting that extra effort in the WiiU version, since
we all know the WiiU's CPU is just three Broadways duck-taped together.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
It's not that they necessarily had obvious alternatives. It's that the fp throughput of those CPUs was mostly wasted/used for stuff gpu transistors would've done better. For instance, Sony could have picked a more potent gpu, instead of relegating gpu work to the SPUs. Undoubtedly there were good SPU use cases, but CELL's most useful role throughout the gen was to babysit the RSX. With Xenos the situation was a tad different - there the gpu was both potent and actually capable of compute-style tasks via the memexport feature, but that remained largely underutilized. I hope we'll see some attitude shift this gen toward better workload distribution among the main work units of the platforms. In this regard, U is a step in the right direction.
Thanks. I'd imagine it's a given that console makers will move towards GPGPU stuff, because manufacturers seem enamoured with it and don't PC's do it already?
Also wasn't Tim Sweeney's DICE talk last year basically saying he'd like to see pretty much everything go to compute shaders. I.e. essentially back to "software" rendering. Gotta think thT UE4 will be heavily into that then.
This news of compute shaders has restored a bit of joy back into the Wii U hardware discussion. I imagine that once PS4 and 720 come out and devs go that route, we will see a nice bump in Wii performance no?
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
Excuse me if the following comes across as whiney....
I'm still peeved that there is no plans to put Pikmin 3 online. I was reading people explain that the 100 on-screen pikmin makes this very difficult to track online, but then I realized that Pikmin are AI. They don't need to be tracked at all as long as the two internet players are running same copy of the game. Isn't the main thing that is transmitted across games in online play is the input from the other player(s)? If that's the case I don't see how pikmin is any more tricky to get working online than any other 2-player game. Once you would have built the net-code to transmit the player input to each other's console, the only extra work would be in dealing with how to handle lag, which in Pikmin's case is not a big deal as the players don't even interact with each other directly.
At the end of the day, the only thing you need to transmit over the network is the I/O data from the player's controller. Nothing else. (I think.)
Where am I going wrong?
For reference, here is what Miyamoto used as a reason for no online Pikmin:
I hope he is wrong about this, because to have a Pikmin game online is a gamer's dream come true, imo.
I'm still peeved that there is no plans to put Pikmin 3 online. I was reading people explain that the 100 on-screen pikmin makes this very difficult to track online, but then I realized that Pikmin are AI. They don't need to be tracked at all as long as the two internet players are running same copy of the game. Isn't the main thing that is transmitted across games in online play is the input from the other player(s)? If that's the case I don't see how pikmin is any more tricky to get working online than any other 2-player game. Once you would have built the net-code to transmit the player input to each other's console, the only extra work would be in dealing with how to handle lag, which in Pikmin's case is not a big deal as the players don't even interact with each other directly.
At the end of the day, the only thing you need to transmit over the network is the I/O data from the player's controller. Nothing else. (I think.)
Where am I going wrong?
For reference, here is what Miyamoto used as a reason for no online Pikmin:
"But in the situation of Pikmin, for example, since you would have lots of individual, small creatures, the Pikmin, whose every movement and location is going to be really important in the game, it would be very difficult to sync up over an internet connection."
I hope he is wrong about this, because to have a Pikmin game online is a gamer's dream come true, imo.
Smiles and Cries
Member
I still don't get the Pikmin love, but yes Nintendo always finds a lame way to abuse fans
I bet Wii U finally has a true Pokemon RPG for the console just to find out it has NFC but no online play or trading
I bet Wii U finally has a true Pokemon RPG for the console just to find out it has NFC but no online play or trading
Thunder Monkey
Banned
If they'd ever tried to create a competent online system, or at least learned from others they'd know it's no more challenging than most. You have much more direct control over a limited number of Pikmin, but RTS games have been dealing with hundreds if not thousands of player controller units. Again, direct control isn't there, but it still shouldn't be impossible.
Apparently, online will feature heavily in pikmin 4, slated for a 2030 release.
Smiles and Cries
Member
kinda strange to admit risk or concern about Wii U I doubt he intended for them to write it like this who ever this source is since you posted not links.
Nintendo showed very little for Sony or MS to be concerned at all, at least not yet
I think I read Nintendo expects 10 million Wii+WiiU sales this year so SONY wins
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I'm sure Ace would have disappeared when they said a 2D Mario would be available at launch. He ripped into a couple of us when we said that was a definite.
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