It's funny how the Wii probably had the most third party exclusive games. I have yet to play most of those sadly.
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It's funny how the Wii probably had the most third party exclusive games. I have yet to play most of those sadly.
Fourth Storm
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Prophecy2K claims his info is based on actual performance and not just theoretical numbers. What I would fear the most would be if the WiiU CPU lacked any sort of VMX/VSX unit. That could explain the disappointing performance for physics and such, but I really really hope Nintendo has not been that belligerent to 3rd parties. I've heard it speculated that it might be included, but only on the "master core" (the huge difference in cache between the cores is perplexing, even if one is handling OS stuff). Or perhaps the poor performance is due to it running at a lower clock rate than on Xenon. It should be noted that the 470s does not include AltiVec via default, but the option is there to add it on if requested.
Just to weigh in on specs since it's been a while, wsippel's theory of modified 470s cores makes alot of sense to me. Since Nintendo love their balance and multipliers and (as wsippel and bgassassin have pointed out) the base seems to be the DSP (120 Mhz according to the leaked docs), I'd put the CPU clock safely at 1.8 Ghz and the GPU at 480 Mhz or 600 Mhz (optimistically since AMDs embedded line has run at 600 Mhz for a few generations now). If we went w/ 1.8 Ghz and 600 Mhz, the CPU would run at 3x the speed of the GPU, which is coincidentally exactly the same as w/ Gamecube.
Then, there's RAM speed, which I can't really take a good shot at, not knowing the type.
Get to it! A lot of those were quality. But saying that, I can see why people would prefer the usual 3rd party titles over the more unique, niche stuff the Wii got.
Yeah not a bad list. LKS is fucking amazing.
Sonic and the Secret Rings
Sonic Colors
de Blob
Marble Madness
Red Steel 2
Goldeneye 007 ( it started as a Wii exclusive)
Tatsunoko v.s. Capcom
MH3
Epic Mickey ( I liked it!)
Zack & Wiki
RE4 Wii Edition
No More Heroes
No More Heroes 2
Bloom Blox
Grand Slam Tennis ( the first one )
PES Playmaker (marc^o will perfectly agree with me on this)
And many others
...Yeah, actually even just a 25% of consideration for next gen multiplatform plans ( I hope at least 50%, however) AND a list of exclusives as Wii had...I'd be good XD
EDIT: FUCK, HOW COULD I FORGET THESE OTHER ONES
Little King Story
Mad World
Silent Hill: Shattred Dimensions
I'd say even the last Prince of Persia, a different version compared to HD one, and a better game.
Amazing game, best PES in a looooong time. Hopefully the Wii U version along with Fifa are just as good.
I've been making excuses not to play those games. Either I have some form of ADD or I get too bored causing me to quit playing a game within several minutes.
I probably need to just choose one and just force myself to sit through it. I think I'll go with LKS after finishing up NMH2.
Honestly even 2-3 of the bigger 3rd party releases a year (not setting a high standard) would do a lot to fill in the gaps IMO.
Edit- what would also fill in the gaps is NOA doing a better localization job.
Edit- what would also fill in the gaps is NOA doing a better localization job.
matches my list of third party games pretty well, except replace hotd with sonic colors, red steel 2 with a boy and his blob, and goldeneye with rabbids go home.
also klonoa was great, as i'd never played the original. i guess it counts as a first-party game too, but fortune street's better than any mario party save maybe mario party 2.
the thing that will prevent me from getting the quirky b-grade shit is the price of the games. el shaddai and catherine look like they're right up my alley, but they came out at $60 and i don't care to pick 'em up anymore.
Yes that was very good.
I would suggest the type is GDDR3, also the 476fp cores also makes sense because of timing... I'm basically looking at Wii U as a 2009 console with 2012 features, that is what everything points to.
About the CPU, I believe gearbox pointed to the CPU being really wonderful or some such thing, the quote ended with because it came so late in this cycle. To me I think that means if the CPU is used properly it is greater than Xenon, but running basically code designed for PS360 is going to take a hit to performance, and the CPU simply doesn't have the clock rate to bruteforce the code.
It would be interesting if it had some sort of turbo though, but I won't hold my breathe lol.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
See, games I forgot. I own most of these and regret none of them. Tatsunoko vs. Capcom is an excellent fighter. Rabbids Go Home is a lot more fun than people give it credit for.
Lots of good Wii exclusives if you're happy to avoid big budget blockbusters.
Spieler Eins
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Easily my favorite console this gen for this reason. Meanwhile, all the ,,AAA derp hardcore cinematic'' games didn't do anything for me. At least 99% of them. Videogames need to be creative for me, like the wacky stuff listed here, not copy bad hollywood blockbusters.
This is also why it really didn't hurt me that these games seem to once again skip WiiU (although I find it awkward that they couldn't even get upcoming games) and I'm mostly pissed about the lack of unique software I was expecting to shake up the HD landscape from Nintendo and such. Nintendoland and karaoke certainly doesn't do it.
Can't say I disagree with EatChildren and honestly, I'd be okay with such a situation. I own 65 Wii games and everytime they ask me "man I can't even name 10 Wii games worth owning". Their loss, as the titles are fun. I'd like to add A Boy and his Blob (best Wayforward game), Dead Space Extraction and Prince of Persia the Forgotten Sands. Oh, and Ani is right on Klonoa. Nice little game.
The only problem is, this won't happen.
The only problem is, this won't happen.
Ugh. Why not FoC?
Agreeing with you about Rabbids Go Home.
...And actually, I think a sequel would fit very well on Wii U. Just think about the editor with the uPad: we could see our Rabbid, and how much we hurt him moving the controller, from two points of view ( the TV monitor and the uPad screen, with an isometric camera since the Rabbid is actually into it ). It'd be awesome.
Spieler Eins
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I might add Rune Factory Frontier. Played this about 80 hours and didn't regret anything 
Man, Marvelous really was one of the best publishers on Wii. Rune Factory, Little Kings Story, No More Heroes, Muramasa. I hope they don't die.
Man, Marvelous really was one of the best publishers on Wii. Rune Factory, Little Kings Story, No More Heroes, Muramasa. I hope they don't die.
As long as Wii U gets Bethseda games then I'd be content with not getting anything else.
Hell yeah. Just the kind of game I was looking forward to.
Hell yeah. Just the kind of game I was looking forward to.
A.
People here are pessimists.
Reality of the game industry is that multi-ports will be necessary.
Not only that, major publishers have been saying that exclusivity is not the way of the future.
Recent NDP has shown that sales are sluggish for the PS3 and 360.
And this is not due to any new consoles being announced.
Regarding WiiU has major Ubisoft support out the gate, looks like EA is in, and Activision will probably follow. I'm sure Nintendo will have some major support from Japanese publishers. And we are seeing games where its PS3 & WiiU or 360 & WiiU.
And thats only bridging this gen.
Next gen...
How many developers and publishers will bet that being exclusive on the 720 (assuming it launches in 2013) will be financially feasible? Because I doubt we will see the PS4 until 2013. No, for at least one year, they will have to lean on WiiU. So it will be WiiU & 720.
By the time the PS4 launches, the WiiU will be very much established with developers having put a lot of resources into developing for it.
WiiU will be in the PS2 position next gen.
ViewtifulJC
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Wow, so none of you guys want to mention Sin and Punishment: Star Successor, one of the greatest action titles ever created, and created specifically with the Wiimote in mind?
You fail me, NeoGAF
You fail me, NeoGAF
Wow, so none of you guys want to mention Sin and Punishment: Star Successor, one of the greatest action titles ever created?
You fail me, NeoGAF
Didn't realize this was a third party exclusive title.
Actually, this method of assessment would be erroneous, considering the differences in architecture, and Nintendo's likelyhood to vouch on built-in hardware features would mean that the comparisons will be unbalanced at best. And considering they always like to give conservative numbers when it comes to actual specs, the playing field will look uneven already at the eyes of the specwhores out there.
We have to see Wii U in terms of what feature sets are included in it and see how efficiently it performs.
Thunder Monkey
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I'd place it as an Dreamcast vs a couple of Xbox's myself.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Wow, so none of you guys want to mention Sin and Punishment: Star Successor, one of the greatest action titles ever created, and created specifically with the Wiimote in mind?
You fail me, NeoGAF
First party, sucka.
Wow, so none of you guys want to mention Sin and Punishment: Star Successor, one of the greatest action titles ever created, and created specifically with the Wiimote in mind?
You fail me, NeoGAF
Yikes, I forgot that one too. Great, great, great game.
EDIT: It's first party too? Didn't know.
i think it was the console with the most third party exclusives at retail. or at least, it sure felt like it.
rabbids go home didn't really win me over until that final level. it was mostly amusing at least. sonic colors impressed me from the word go. it's a game that others can look to as an example of how to nail everything in regards to presentation in a video game. may be a little blasphemous to some, but i put it up there with super mario galaxy 2 in my mind, just thanks to the presentation (level design obviously was not as good, especially as the game went on).
Fourth Storm
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This may be incorrect, but I've read that GDDR3 chip densities plateaued at 1 gigabit. It's an EOL product at this point, and to achieve the 1.5 GB from the specs sheet, would require an unfathomable (for Nintendo) 12 chips. I think GDDR5 is more like than GDDR3 actually, but after this E3, I am prepared for the worst.
I'm not putting too much thought into that vague quote from the gearbox CEO. As it is an OoOE design, I'm sure it will be "really great" from some game code, but we also have reports that it sucks for other things (specifically physics), which, to me, points to either a lack of pure speed, lack of AltiVec, or both. I forget the reason why, but wsippel seems to believe the 470s is more in line w/ the requirements of a gaming console than the 476fp. Maybe he'll drop in and explain why in more detail, or I'll try to dig through the old posts if I get bored enough.
sin & punishment 2 is a game that should have never been made. the first one bombed and it bombed so hard, and we never got to see it despite it bombing, and then a sequel came off the back of a decade of pent-up demand for the first and it had the chance to bomb worldwide.
but man, so glad it got made. vanquish, bayonetta, and sin & punishment 2 are the holy trinity of 2010's badass action games.
but man, so glad it got made. vanquish, bayonetta, and sin & punishment 2 are the holy trinity of 2010's badass action games.
Lots and lots of money
Like Wii-tons of money? You had to be hiding under a rock to not have known what a Wii was.
I believe it will be along those lines. I can't see Nintendo not trying to retain their audience.
JoshuaJSlone
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There's also the Wii and 3DS. Six years ago Nintendo couldn't send out messages directly to GameCube and DS owners and make lights blink.
I am a believer Nintendo should have it's engineers, who know the Wii U system the best, develop a middleware "U engine" for third parties. License it for free or cheap to developers who create exclusive Wii U content.
These last few pages have shown the importance of quality, unique, exclusive software for Nintendo. Providing resources and a highly optimized tool set that is exconomical for developers could go a long way to securing those types of games.
These last few pages have shown the importance of quality, unique, exclusive software for Nintendo. Providing resources and a highly optimized tool set that is exconomical for developers could go a long way to securing those types of games.
Pretty positive, but I don't think it's very realistic. Think about what we've heard:
No Tomb Raider, Crysis 3, Dead Space 3 and DmC at this point. BioShock Infinite won't be there unless Levine changed his mind. Every other 2K title like XCom and GTA V is out of the question if you look at Zellnick's comment.
At this point, only two titles are confirmed for 2013: Aliens CM and Injustice. And maybe Splinter Cell Blacklist.
Fourth Storm
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They should bring back the two Japanese guys, but have an American dudebro as a third cohort. Would make for some hilarious "Poochie-esque" moments. haha
Welp! Cat's out of the bag now. Wonder how long it will take for the gaming side to pick this one up
Edit: when I asked about why only 4GB for Debug, I was told "that's all developers need to do their custom allocators and run debug builds without blowing memory"
Microsoft is toying with something for a reason
I... don't think Live Gold is going to be non-mandatory next gen, to be honest. What I mean is that it's going to be integrated and necessary, hence the subscription model making more sense. I could be wrong, as this is pure speculation on my part, but there's a reason why a lot of leaks mention an "always online" console and what that entails.
At this point, CVG is just leaking stuff they were told as "broad features of the next xbox"
DXB-KNIGHT
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Good overview. Things do not look very good, at least in the West.
LegendofJoe
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IF Durango has DVR capability I'm buying it, I'd love to have my own personal DVR box.
SegatoFenghsen
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I definitely agree although I don't have a preferred console this gen. I like all three. I had just come off a 2 year period of playing mostly PS2, and XBOX bargain bin gems when I got a Wii in summer 2010 so it fit in nicely. I was really impressed with the library. The games are pretty niche though so I can see why some didn't look at the system the same way.
DXB-KNIGHT
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Their Latest comment was "We won't be showing anything Nintendo on E3"
which is pretty odd since companies usually keep quiet if they are not showing anything kinda like EA, Sega and Activision.
I'm resigned to C or D happening.
If things are going the way they seem I would expect another repeat of the Wii. Not because titles couldn't be ported down but because I doubt publishers/developers would want to put in the extra work to getting games to run well on the Wii U. There will be some titles from smaller developers if Nintendo ends up publishing but the bulk of the quality games will come from Nintendo and those that are considered 2nd party. However I do not expect the Elders Scrolls, the Watch_Dogs, the Tomb Raiders, etc to show up unless what people are speculating is really wrong. I was willing to accept getting ports that didn't look as good as games on the PS4/720 and had features turned off. I actually believed when it was said porting to the system was going to be easy (as far as porting games goes).
Now if Nintendo and 2nd party developers can deliver I'll be fine. That might mean all of Nintendo's IPs being developed at some point, many by 2nd parties and some new IPs being created. If Ubisoft wants to dedicated a Wii U team to making games for the system with limited budgets and Activision makes sure Call of Duty hits the system each year I'll be okay as well. Personally there are a lot of 3rd party titles that don't interest me (so I'd be okay with the previous described scenario taking place.) but I know they interest others and for the health of the console it would be nice for them to be there.
I'm just glad my PC should be okay for the next few years as I still just want to get one new console going forward and Nintendo's IPs win out, even if they are still a ways off.
I just hope things turn out for the best so we can look back on the doom and gloom and laugh.
Fourth Storm
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I smell money!
Well Capcom didn't do much this E3 and their presence wasn't big. I feel as if they're saving any announcements, if they have any to begin with, until the Japanese showing. Capcom didn't show anything for the 3DS either iirc.
We know E3 did not focus on Japanese third party efforts and stuff will be announced later. I think something like Dragons Dogma is very likely.
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