Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012
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Yes, I know what it means and they'll certainly go high-end again. AMD wants to sell their most expensive shit, SGi created the art of fucking over console builders, AMD and Nvidia pretty much perfected it. In that sense if Molyneux ever decides to leave Lionhead, he'd be a great fit for both companies.Mr_Brit said:
They get to ring the bell at Nasdaq and all is well.magash said:
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if it is 1. cheap 2. is half gen more powerful than current gen 3. has a solid online; I don't see why it shouldn't sell more than Wii.Mr_Brit said:
developers can't afford the cost of production, the market can't afford increase in price of games, so it won't matter even if sony and microsoft release bat shit powerful systems.
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The PSVita Route looks promising. No alientechnology anymore but very fast and not too expensive for us and Sony.
I see nothing for the Soccer Moms crowd.
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I see nothing for the Soccer Moms crowd.
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Mr_Brit said:
This isn't 2005 any more. What MS and Sony did with the PS360 doesn't mean shit here. How are MS and Sony going to use the latest designs and add ons from future GPUs when those parts are huge heat producing, watt sucking monsters? Are they going to get magical die shrinks before the parts even launch? A paper launch doesn't do you any good with a console. It's NOT happening. Kepler, Maxwell, R800, none of them are ending up in a next gen console.
You were so damn adamant about TSMC not missing their die shrinks and yet here we are with them delayed. Here we are too with the paper launch of Kepler and Maxwell delayed.
I bet MS and Sony are just fucking DYING to blow a few billion dollars again to make some fanboys happy.
PdotMichael said:
The mobile space has vastly out-accelerated the desktop space in growth and in power consumption. They still haven't caught up to the desktop space, but they're not hitting the wall yet either. There is no "magic technology" that's going to give you a $400 PS4 that costs Sony $450 and is a quantifiable, diminishing-returns-free next gen experience. (Hint: not even the UE3.9 Samaritan scripted cutscene qualifies as that).
Mr_Brit said:
While you may see MS, as an example, put in instruction sets for "DX 11.5" into their Xbox, we're not discussing instruction sets. We are discussing hardware power. And what people expect is going a bit off the deep end. AMD's PR is not helping with that, granted.
I'm talking about architecture and not power. Give me one good reason to use an old architecture rather than the latest one? It definitely doesn't reduce costs or heat produced so why then would they use an old architecture? On top of that, the current architectures from AMD and nvidia aren't exactly the most power efficient so why wouldn't Sony and MS go for newer ones?Shin Johnpv said:
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Mr_Brit said:
Yes it does effect costs. Architecture doesn't get released giving you high yeilds. Lower yields on new architecture definitely leads to higher costs.
That's due to higher power parts being introduced whenever new architectures are. Take something like the 8000 series, if you were to fab a 7800GTX power chip using the 8 series architecture, it should be lower in cost. The reason yields are so low initially is because AMD and nvidia try to push it as far as it can go.Shin Johnpv said:
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- By then there are +90 million Wii owners and they can move all their accessories to Wii U.
- You should see controller teaser, it was practically dedicated to soccer Moms and their family.
- It'll be great for Kids as all Nintendo systems are
- It'll be great for small houses, thanks to streaming. Dad can watch news while Mom excercises.
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Mr_Brit said:
Using an older architecture that you know you can die shrink down a level and not have to worry about yields for can definitely be cheaper. Obviously going too far older will lead to higher costs, but finding something in the middle ground is the most cost effective way to go about it.
Low yield numbers can definitely kill you in costs.
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Vinci said:
asks them if they are ready to paid 300$-350$ (console) + 50$ (game) and maybe 100$ and more for extra controllers (if they don't have wiimotes) to play Battle Mii.
I have a 3DS launch feeling
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Mr_Brit said:
I can't answer this. I don't know for sure if it would be cheaper or not, you'd have to get some one like Brain Stew or such in here on that. You're still going to need to be recouping costs on the R&D of the new chip though, even if you're clocking it so low that its equal to a previous gen chip. Some one has to pay for that. I would imagine if you're using a chip based on an established architecture then any R&D costs aren't going to be a factor. I'm just talking about the main chip design here, IE you're not paying for the R&D that went into designing the R700 by using an R770.
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$300 is pretty OK, $350 is not. Nintendo can't get away with selling Wii U much more than the price of 360+KinectPdotMichael said:
Just Dance is $40 on all platform, developing for Wii U seemingly is as easy as 360, it won't be more expensive.
- They HAVE to play those games with Wiimote
- 90 million Wii will be sold by the next year, gods know how many people have 2+ controller.
- Wiimote is $30 +Nunchuck is is $40, it is not $100!
PdotMichael said:
My parents paid over $400 just to play Wii Fit. They went on to buy other games for it, but that's what broke the camel's back. So yeah, it depends. Quit speaking in absolutes about people you don't know.
EDIT: Dude, I hate the 3DS. Absolutely hate what Nintendo did with that system. The Wii U is nowhere close to that, not based on what they've shown for it.
It all depends on the games if the launch line-up is:PdotMichael said:
Tekken Wii U
Need for Speed: The Run Rerun
Darksiders II
Excite Cycling
Nintendogs+Cats+Birds
shitty port
shitty port
shitty port
$5 iOS game released as a $60 retail game
online gameplay to be patched in after 3 months
it'll bomb
If Nintendo gets something like Mario or a new franchise and Pikmin out on day one they'll get a lot of attention.
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For me personally, I can't think of any console that's had an amazing launch list. They've all had maybe 1 or 2 great/good games and then the post launch drought.
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Mr_Brit said:
Weren't they all architecture that was scheduled to launch and then at the last minute were cancelled.
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rpmurphy said:
Hell even for couples this is a blessing in the making. We can't afford a second TV, so this is a great way of splitting the one we allready have.
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[Nintex] said:
What about New Super Mario Bros. Mii. Wii Sports HD. Wii Play HD. Wii Fit HD. Alongside Pikmin Wii U. That's basically their demonstrated (and announced) internal development right now. And most of it looks mature in concept.
The streaming feature really has me excited.
The Wii is the first console that I have kept hooked up to the family big screen tv in the den. Problem is, I can't always use it when I want to. Almost every time after work I go to play Monster Hunter Tri and I think to myself, "Well, mom is coming home in about 1-2 hours so I can play a couple of quests before she gets home. She always tells me to turn it off so she can watch Nancy Grace." Well now she can watch that bitch on the big screen while I'll have the luxury of playing Wii U games on the controller.
The Wii is the first console that I have kept hooked up to the family big screen tv in the den. Problem is, I can't always use it when I want to. Almost every time after work I go to play Monster Hunter Tri and I think to myself, "Well, mom is coming home in about 1-2 hours so I can play a couple of quests before she gets home. She always tells me to turn it off so she can watch Nancy Grace." Well now she can watch that bitch on the big screen while I'll have the luxury of playing Wii U games on the controller.
StevieP said:
And yet the software actually shown for the system by Nintendo itself - not counting Zelda, obviously - has been multiplayer that allowed one person to spin around like an idiot in front of the other people playing. Which is fun. Which was part of the appeal of the Wii.
So yes, I'm disagreeing with you.
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[Nintex] said:
Oh shut up.
Buying 2 TVs when the one we have is working perfectly fine is a good Idea in an appartement as small as ours.
Also a 300+ videogame system is a little less expensive than a new TV.
wsippel said:
Yeah, it would be just awesome if my Girlfriend had her own TV in the Bedroom, that way we wouldn't need to see each other at all.
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[Nintex] said:
You realize that buying ONLY the console and games is cheaper than buying the console + games AND another TV, right?
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Will each Wii U Game supporting the Stream Feature? If it true, the developer can't use the tablet for important things.
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PdotMichael said:
What other things COULD they use it for if you're streaming the game exactly? There's only 1 screen
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PdotMichael said:
Like what? The streaming will be optional for Wii U games. All VC games will probably be supported for streaming since menus and stuff were allways overlays.
Also a game could simply use two sets of uses. One for dual screen gameplay, and one that maps the added features to a button (traditional screen overlay).
Smart developers will figure out an elegant way to get it working.
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Zoramon089 said:
thats the point
If I use the touchscreen for important gameplay elements, the streaming feature will not work anymore
That's one celebrity Mii I won't be downloading!
I think we'll end up with a lot of current-gen ports and few true next-gen titles at launch from third-parties. Like with the Wii, we probably won't start getting the real good stuff until Q3-Q4 2013. Given how Nintendo naturally has the most time to develop launch titles for Wii U, we'll probably end up with 2-3 launch titles. Perhaps one of them may be delayed for the holiday season.
I think we'll end up with a lot of current-gen ports and few true next-gen titles at launch from third-parties. Like with the Wii, we probably won't start getting the real good stuff until Q3-Q4 2013. Given how Nintendo naturally has the most time to develop launch titles for Wii U, we'll probably end up with 2-3 launch titles. Perhaps one of them may be delayed for the holiday season.
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PdotMichael said:
Obviously they'd create a special streaming screen tailored interface for the game that would differ from if you were playing it on a big screen
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