Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012
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civilstrife
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I've got to say, I agree.BurntPork said:
I think we'll see a new name by E3 2012 at the latest.
TheExplodingHead
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I'd like to see the name changed myself, it just doesn't have a good ring to it. The 3DS could have used a bit of this itself...
I actually like the 3DS name and think its pretty clever. Nintendo just didn't market it as though it was a successor to the DS worth a shit. I still hear soccer moms at gamestop who don't understand why 3DS games don't work in their DSi's and think the only difference is the 3d capability. They didn't do enough to justify the price or differentiate it from the DS line and caused confusion.TheExplodingHead said:
I agree that they need to change the Wii U name though, because its terrible and will cause the sane confusion.
AceBandage
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The 3DS price drop was a severe overreaction, but not one taken lightly.
Iwata probably had some serious discussions with key members not only within Nintendo, but from third parties as well.
It seems more a preemptive strike than a correction.
Iwata probably had some serious discussions with key members not only within Nintendo, but from third parties as well.
It seems more a preemptive strike than a correction.
SolarPowered
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Burntpork be crazy, dawgs.
How heavily could the 3DS winter sales affect the power of the WiiU hardware come launch time? I am assuming that they are planning for a summer launch here.
It seems like the debacle could justify lots of different approaches from Nintendo.
Marketing and hardware aesthetics could handle that.
Another question on my mind...ShockingAlberto said:
How heavily could the 3DS winter sales affect the power of the WiiU hardware come launch time? I am assuming that they are planning for a summer launch here.
It seems like the debacle could justify lots of different approaches from Nintendo.
I know they probably won't, but I'd love it if they did. It's not like the Wii is synonymous with a large and varied library like it's handheld cousin. You could drop the Wii name for something new while still reminding people that it is a spiritual successor.BurntPork said:
Marketing and hardware aesthetics could handle that.
AceBandage
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Plinko said:
Nintendo is being forced to evolve rather quickly. It's kind of exciting.
pieatorium
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It goes for pretty much everything though, you can expect a similar posse of Nintendo fanboys to pop their heads up in Sony threads or Japanese game fanboys to pop up in Shooter threads, or the same group of whatever they are to pop up in Anime threads and call everything moe loli shit.MYE said:
AceBandage
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JazzmanZ said:
No, they'd power up to Super Nintendo.
They would evolve into Ware-Nintendon.
AceBandage
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Interesting stuff from Iwata:
Taking a 50% pay cut.... like a BOSS.
Taking a 50% pay cut.... like a BOSS.
Cmd. Pishad'aç
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All I see in this thread is people insulting each other over ridiculous arguments.
I wonder if it is open season for trolling...
I wonder if it is open season for trolling...
pieatorium
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System luanchs/start of new generation is the most interesting time, the crazies come out in full force, every exclusive game gets maximum hype and maximum trolls, sales age erupts into chaos and the bannings are plentiful. We got at least 2-3 solid years of amazing entertainment ahead of us.Cmd. Pishad'aç said:
Dreamwriter
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kame-sennin said:
A prime example of how an awesome game was ruined by the worst marketing ever. There will never be a Wii Music 2 because the first one was a flop.
JC Rodrigo knows how to explain the game
Nintendo, unfortunately, didn't use him at E3
Yeah, it was not explained well at all. It sounded like a "do whatever" kind of music game (which I guess was what they were going for), but that definitely backfired because no one understood the point of it. Also, it came in a bad year, since GH/RB was still in full swing. They could definitely try it again now with the band game genre having died down, but it probably still won't sell well in concept unless they really hammer down its marketing.Dreamwriter said:
abstract alien
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I was also a big fan of Wii Music, if only for the fact that you actually had to listen to what you were doing in order to play it. Other music games can be played with the volume turned completely off, which pretty much defeats the purpose of what music is.
kame-sennin
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Dreamwriter said:
Wii Sports didn't need to be explained to anybody, people understood the concept as soon as it was announced and the Wii phenomenon ensued. I'm glad you liked Wii Music, but it's obviously a game with limited appeal. It had the biggest brand name in gaming attached to it, was a music game during the music craze, and it was released on the fastest selling console of all time (at its peak). If the game couldn't sell under those circumstances, it's not a mass market game. If anything, that game caused hardware sales to tank on the system. Wii Music is really indefensible from a business standpoint.
Dreamwriter
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Yeah, JC explained it as a way to play music your way, to improvise and change the songs and make them your own, and showed it off with a great sounding Mario mix. At E3 they explained it as "rhythm game for newbs, no scoring, everyone can play by just pressing buttons" and led off with a amateurish sounding drum solo and Miyamoto playing some unrecognizable song on the sax that sounded rather random. Then they released a trailer highlighting the most kiddy songs in there, Happy Birthday, Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, etc.
Nintendo needs to do a much better job marketing the Wii-U.
Nintendo needs to do a much better job marketing the Wii-U.
AceBandage
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jj984jj said:
Could be day one downloadable versions of retail games.
Or could just be demos.
CoffeeJanitor
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Err, no, it's still a really shallow title. I think I disagree about that "real musician" stuff he was talking about, considering that you're just messing with the rhythms and there is still no challenge whatsoever.Dreamwriter said:
It's pretty challenging to create a good arrangement. Then again, I'm not a professional composer or musician in the least, so I don't know how it is from that point of view.CoffeeJanitor said:
But compare to a rhythm game like Rhythm Tengoku or what have you. Sure, it's challenging, some times really challenging, but it can be mastered. If I heard that someone claim they've mastered Wii Music, I would be really surprised.
AceBandage
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wsippel said:
Yeah, at E3 they mentioned it. Hoping this is demos for EVERYTHING.
I wonder how much re-evaluating of the wii u is happening right now behind the scenes? The way I see it the 3ds and the wii u are very similar both evolutions/extensions of the existing hardware ds and wii even down to the "add one character to the name" branding 3+ds, wii+u. With all this talk of changes and improvements coming out of the investor meeting today I imagine a lot is up in the air at the moment.
I don't think Nintendo will do anything to skip on the hardware in terms of feature set or pure processing power. Given their willingness now to take a loss on the 3ds in order to build up a strong install base to ultimately sell more software, and Iwata saying at the investor meeting that 3rd party relations are more important for them than ever before, I think Nintendo will be more willing to stock up on powerand possibly take an initial loss in order to boost the wii u's install base and to future proof it a little and to give 3rd parties the kind of hardware they want to work with for the duration of next gen. I could be wrong, but looking at Nintendo's recent moves and the PR talk coming out of the investor meeting it sounds like they are lining themselves up closer to what Sony and Microsoft have been doing and moving away from the wii/ds strategies.BurntPork said:
Haint
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artwalknoon said:
Bad news is any hardware improvements they may have been considering (e.g. configs with more RAM, higher CPU/GPU clocks with more expensive/exotic cooling, etc...) are probably completely out the window after this. Their focus is going to be cost, cheap as possible.
CoffeeJanitor said:
So, considering its shallow, you can do some of the more accomplished arrangements with ingenuity? That so many people couldn't play this game suggests just the opposite to me.
I didn't care for the impeding "fun" factor of this game, but its foundations were more musical than other so-called music games of the time.
bgassassin
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I expect them to stay on the path they are currently on and go with a smaller (or non-existent) profit margin on hardware at the beginning.Reallink said:
TheExplodingHead
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Yeah I don't see them skimping on the hardware forecast either, I'm seeing them stick to slightly more powerful than 360/PS3, more/faster memory. One thing I doubt though will be an option to add a after market HDD, it'll be a "Nintendo HDD" only, mark my words. And it'll cost like one too.
To be honest I don't think Sony or MS will be able to get away with $350+ hardware either, especially if the Wii U is doing well and or struggled at the beginning. Same deal with the Vita, I don't see it being very successful at $250 right now. I'm still seeing Nintendo launching at $300 though. The real factor will be launch lineup and marketing too, they can't chance getting a lukewarm reception in the marketplace at this point.
To be honest I don't think Sony or MS will be able to get away with $350+ hardware either, especially if the Wii U is doing well and or struggled at the beginning. Same deal with the Vita, I don't see it being very successful at $250 right now. I'm still seeing Nintendo launching at $300 though. The real factor will be launch lineup and marketing too, they can't chance getting a lukewarm reception in the marketplace at this point.
bgassassin said:
This is probably gonna turn out to be true but if I were Nintendo I would, at minimum review how effective the wii u's hook is, in terms of the touch screen being a system selling feature, and rethink how its advertised. If what we saw at E3 was any indication I don't think their way of selling the wii u is gonna pan out well.
TheExplodingHead
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Luigiv said:
Good to hear and I hope that holds true and it's not some small print that reads *Any USB storage device will work for saves and WiiWare/VC/DLC, but for installing to HDD/etc you'll need a specific Nintendo product.* Maybe I'm just too cynical these days...
TheExplodingHead
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So here's a theoretical question: Who here would actually prefer Nintendo to go 3rd party? And be able to devote all their time, money, talent, and resources to making great Nintendo games. They'd still own Retro, and all other partners, would you guy's prefer that as gamers?
Personally, I say no. Even if it would probably mean I'd get better Nintendo games more often...I just love Nintendo consoles that much I guess. That's my fanboy moment tonight...
So what about you guy's?
Personally, I say no. Even if it would probably mean I'd get better Nintendo games more often...I just love Nintendo consoles that much I guess. That's my fanboy moment tonight...
So what about you guy's?
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TheExplodingHead said:
Part of what makes nintendo games so great, generally speaking, is the hardware they are built upon. If nintendo were stuck with, say, the ps3, they would just be developing for the dual shock...which is pretty much a carbon copy of the past generation with a tacked on motion sensor that only came because of nintendo most likely. Nintendo needs to design hardware, as their software compliments it. Not always, but in a lot of cases, it does. They certainly make great traditional games, but I would hate for them to have to be stuck there for eternity.
TheExplodingHead
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abstract alien said:
Well said and I totally agree, it just wouldn't be Nintendo without a hardware side to it.
I don't want Nintendo to go 3rd party. Competition is good for consumers. If Nintendo was out of the picture we wouldn't get hardware like the ds and wii to push Sony and Microsoft. Without competition we wouldn't see this massive 3ds price cut and the pretty cool ambassador program.TheExplodingHead said:
All in all I don't care if Nintendo is leading in sales or "winning the console war" I just care that their hardware is successful enough to be home to a large number of great and creative games 1st and 3rd party, at an affordable price.
Competing hardware makers challenge each other to innovate, attempt to corner certain parts of the market, such as the high end niche or the wide casual "blue ocean" or the core gaming base, and force each other to differentiate and cut prices, etc. Theoretically consumers get better deals and more choice. Win-win.
Black-Wind
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If theres anything these new events should have done for Nintendo its to show that they're ready to go into "get your shit in gear" mode.
They know they wronged early 3DS owners with this shit so I can respect that they're trying to fix that. Wished that they would have just given use the difference in points that can be used to buy w/e we want instead of a list of games to pick from.
As for the Wii U, yeah ... I think that they will start at a loss and have something that they feel is pretty future-proof. $250-$300
Or at least I hope so. Really, I have no clue whats going on. I'm pretty damn sure that they're not short sighted enough to fuck over the Wii U just to make up the money from this 3DS price cut. Hopefully they realize that they NEED some hot FIRST PARTY games close to release.
They know they wronged early 3DS owners with this shit so I can respect that they're trying to fix that. Wished that they would have just given use the difference in points that can be used to buy w/e we want instead of a list of games to pick from.
As for the Wii U, yeah ... I think that they will start at a loss and have something that they feel is pretty future-proof. $250-$300
Or at least I hope so. Really, I have no clue whats going on. I'm pretty damn sure that they're not short sighted enough to fuck over the Wii U just to make up the money from this 3DS price cut. Hopefully they realize that they NEED some hot FIRST PARTY games close to release.
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I hope so.... Sometimes they can be so thickheaded.DSN2K said:
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