Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012
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StevieP said:
I'm not reading more into the overheating devkits than is necessary. According to wsippel's source, and I believe him, the SoC isn't even fully baked over in India yet. The componants in the dev kit are almost certainly early and unoptomized approxomations of the final unit.
I was reading up on the 476fp and it seems like a great candidate. Perhaps the difficulty is in Nintendo/IBM trying to double up the core clock from it's baseline of 1.6Ghz to the rumored 3+Ghz. I recall IBM getting a PPC core (er PPE) up to 3.2Ghz around 2005 was a pretty major task, but they magaged to pull it off by hook or by crook depending on how you value the PPE. Anyway, I still hold stock in the tri-core 3.5Ghz rumors. Nintendo must really want to make porting from the Xbox360 nearly effortless. A similar clock-rate/core count but more robust core would also explain some of the uncertainty expressed by developers regarding just how much more they can push the hardware beyond PS360 level.
The thing to remember is Nintendo spent ALOT or R&D money over the past few years. An extremely customized chip should be expected. Thus, something which contains elements of the 476fp and POWER7 seems reasonable considering the reports of both large amounts of eDRAM and an energy-saving design.
It doesn't matter unless they're planning on redesigning the unit.StevieP said:
I really want to see what Nintendo can do with a large console. Can you imagine?
Based on recent discussion and research, I predict these specs.
45nm PPC 476FP tri-core @ 1.8-2.0GHz w/8-16MB eDRAM
40nm or 32nm RV740-based GPU with 480 or 640SPs clocked at 600MHz on the core and 10-16MB eDRAM
1.5-2GB GDDR3 or GDDR5 RAM pool shared between CPU and GPU; clocked at 600-800MHz
Yes, that is very reasonable.
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TunaLover said:
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BurntPork said:
What about eDRAM for the GPU--are you expecting any?
Even though these are non final dev kits, shouldn't devs still know exactly the specs of the hardware in the kits e.g. the stream processor count, frequency, bus width etc? You shouldn't need a non buggy dev kit to be able to see what the performance of the system is.lherre said:
You overshot the GPU and RAM. It's more likely to be closer to a 500MHz RV 730 at 40nm and 1GB of GDDR5.BurntPork said:
Lolz? 360 has 10mb, nowhere near 24mb. eDRAM is super expensive so it's difficult to predict just how much it would have, were it to have any at all.BurntPork said:
Shogmaster
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Try 10MB.BurntPork said:
specialguy
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BurntPork said:
I predict these specs are way higher than reality.
So BurntPork is posting what seems to be specs that take in account factors like BC, size, price and efficiency ? What would be the decisive factor in comparision to the current twins that would allow the console to pull out 1080p as opposed to 720p ?
What overall benefits can we expect from such specs as opposed to the ones in the current consoles ?
What overall benefits can we expect from such specs as opposed to the ones in the current consoles ?
ElectricBlanketFire
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All I want is the ability to see who is knocking on your door in Animal Crossing by using the controller as a window.
THAT'S ALL I WANT.
THAT'S ALL I WANT.
Pancakes R Us
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Hahaha.ElectricBlanketFire said:
All I was in an Animal Crossing the isn't a COMPLETE REHASH of the last game.
ShockingAlberto
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Do we actually know anything about Animal Crossing, much less enough to say it's going to be completely different or exactly the same
ShockingAlberto said:
From the trailer we only know that they have yet to show something new that is not swimming. As they have released the same AC with only minor additions on now 4 consoles, there's no reason to believe that they add many new features or even a proper online mode - otherwise Nintendo would need to sell it for 90 .
ShockingAlberto
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So, no.Shiggy said:
ShockingAlberto
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Don't get me wrong, it likely is the total rehash we expect it to be.
They just haven't shown enough of the game for that to be any sort of conclusion rather than an expectation.
They just haven't shown enough of the game for that to be any sort of conclusion rather than an expectation.
Yeah obviously NoE doesn't know shit, we played the Zelda demo and finished it and they were like: "How did you beat that boss?" and they also had the thing set up wrong. The settings on the Wii said: "Sensor bar below TV" and they had placed it on top of the TV. They luckily kept the 60hz setting from last time we visited, playing Monster Hunter without widescreen and on 50hz was painful.Truth101 said:
blu said:
What I find particularly interesting is that what we're getting is probably some kind of SoC/APU similar to what 360S has in its innards, with a modified RV7xx that's likely in the range of 4-500SPUs, and developers have to downclock it to keep the box running. Maybe I'm a pessimist like BurntPork, but that seems a bit shameful on Nintendo/AMD's part, even if it is highly customized silicon.
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lherre said:
lherre said:
Cool. Even though you obviously can't give us specifics, I feel that I'm at least getting a better idea of the situation being presented to you.
Are you still on the first version of the dev kit that was talked about before or are you on the second version we've heard about recently like from Vigil? I ask this because you mention you will see in the next revision if the info changes, meaning that you would possibly be getting a third version sooner or later. Also again in your opinion could it be argued that it's not an RV770 (or R700 for that matter) as much as it can be argued that it is one due to the lack of complete information you have? I hope how that sounded in my brain translated properly to this post for you to understand that question. With the problems of the GPU that you mention, I'd kind of gather that you wouldn't be able to firmly say that it is a variant of an R700 and that the ones who said it before were speculating almost as much as some of us are.
Hm. I'm beginning to think that the GPU uses the R700 architecture only for the SPs, but is for the most part a new chip designed from the ground-up. So, time for a slight revision to my estimations.
45nm PPC 476FP tri-core @ 1.8-2.0GHz w/8-16MB eDRAM
40nm or 32nm loosely R700-based GPU with 400, 480, or 640SPs clocked at 550-650MHz on the core and 10-16MB eDRAM
1-2GB GDDR3 or GDDR5 RAM pool shared between CPU and GPU; clocked at 600-800MHz
45nm PPC 476FP tri-core @ 1.8-2.0GHz w/8-16MB eDRAM
40nm or 32nm loosely R700-based GPU with 400, 480, or 640SPs clocked at 550-650MHz on the core and 10-16MB eDRAM
1-2GB GDDR3 or GDDR5 RAM pool shared between CPU and GPU; clocked at 600-800MHz
I think it's safe to assume they are going for at least 20 ounces of Nintendo Magic total, between the console and the controller. Dividing that by the five (confirmed) Funs gives you 4oz per Fun, which is frankly kind of difficult for me to wrap my head around. Even if I'm wrong and it's more like 3oz/Fun, that's still more than I think most people are expecting. Just imagine if they can pull that off at a consistent frame rate... wow.
phosphor112
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Final Wii U revision is going to have the following specs:
8gb flash memory
ATI Radeon 6790
POWER7 @ 4.0ghz
4gigs shared pool of GDDR5 ram @ 800mhz
1TB Hologram Discs
Make it so, Nintendo.
8gb flash memory
ATI Radeon 6790
POWER7 @ 4.0ghz
4gigs shared pool of GDDR5 ram @ 800mhz
1TB Hologram Discs
Make it so, Nintendo.
phosphor112
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No, just the wild speculation in this thread. I think it's even pushing it to have a POWER7 in that tiny ass box. I think it would be cheaper to have something not as powerful, clocked higher, instead of something like POWER but underclocked. What do I know though?BurntPork said:Are you making fun of me?
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phosphor112 said:
It won't be a Power7, because they suck for gaming.
It'll be similar though, because it shares the large amounts of EDRAM.
specialguy
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phosphor112 said:
I think you meant 6970...
specialguy
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BurntPork said:
Still too high.
Too much EDRAM
RAM is 768 or 1Gb imo.
Still think it's straight RV730 GPU, but RV740 possible
Clocks could be high-ish (600+mhz) if RV730, lower if RV740 (400-500 mhz)
Nothing will be 32nm to start.
Axkil aka StabMasterArson
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LOL everytime i come into this thread, i see new WiiU spec info that i'm pretty sure did not come from anywhere but GAF. Please confirm this so i can Lmao some more. GAF makes my day, every day. You guys are a riot keep up the good work! 
AceBandage
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Axkil aka StabMasterArson said:LOL everytime i come into this thread, i see new WiiU spec info that i'm pretty sure did not come from anywhere but GAF. Please confirm this so i can Lmao some more. GAF makes my day, every day. You guys are a riot keep up the good work!
This is a speculation thread...
If we had actual specs, it would have it's own topic.
bgassassin
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^ Exactly Ace. So sometime next year we'll have a legitimate thread about the hardware.
Only other plausible idea I can think of at this point is that the GPU is based on a Juniper like some have posed before.
BurntPork said:
Only other plausible idea I can think of at this point is that the GPU is based on a Juniper like some have posed before.
phosphor112
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My bad =P. I have a nokia 6790... lol.specialguy said:
What I mean is that it's so heavily customized that it's very different from any existing R700 chips. It's probably some type of Frankenstein monster of a chip, taking various elements of R700 and Evergreen; perhaps even something from Northern Islands. Something is making it hard for devs to determine its power, and the only thing I can think of is that it's a chip that can't be compared to anything else on the market without testing.bgassassin said:^ Exactly Ace. So sometime next year we'll have a legitimate thread about the hardware.
Only other plausible idea I can think of at this point is that the GPU is based on a Juniper like some have posed before.
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lednerg said:
It's kind of a shame really, considering the possibilities of the device and games... But I guess that goes to show where the main interest of "enthusiast gamers" like us lies. Maybe Nintendo really should focus on what people want, and less on being "creative or surprising".
Anyway, I'm fairly sure the GPU is based mainly on a ground up structure, but it'll take a lot from the R700 family (and above imo). It'll be interesting to see if it's a SoC aswell, at 40nm.
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