Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012
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walking fiend
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He has commented on Avatar graphics as well:
yeah, I definitely see Nextbox/PS4 going this way.
yeah, I definitely see Nextbox/PS4 going this way.
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The only game I can think of that people want is Star Fox, but I can't remember if people want them to do it.
Yeah. Sounds to be about the business side not the console power side.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. He said going that route would balloon development costs and cause them to lose money because there would be a desire to take advantage of the hardware.
And you shouldn't have gotten banned. You were supposed to have past me in posts in this thread.
I had forgotten where the original article came from. I only remembered the content.
Rolf NB said:
Yeah. Sounds to be about the business side not the console power side.
walking fiend said:
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. He said going that route would balloon development costs and cause them to lose money because there would be a desire to take advantage of the hardware.
And you shouldn't have gotten banned. You were supposed to have past me in posts in this thread.
DaSorcerer7 said:
I had forgotten where the original article came from. I only remembered the content.
Jorok Goldblade
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It could be another Metroid. People have been begging for Retro to take back the Metroid series for the last year or so, after other M came out.
Games people have been "begging" for Retro to make, from my observations:
Metroid HD
Zelda
F-ZERO
Star Fox
Kid Icarus
Star Tropics
Original IP- most commonly in FPS genre
Games people have been "begging" for Retro to make, from my observations:
Metroid HD
Zelda
F-ZERO
Star Fox
Kid Icarus
Star Tropics
Original IP- most commonly in FPS genre
herzogzwei1989 said:
If true, then sigh. You'd think Nintendo would have learnt their lesson from the Wii remote's motion sensing being sub-standard - but then, Nintendo are having what can only be described as a year from hell.
A working link for the quote would be appreciated though, to read the whole article.
There is a 6 page thread about this here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=442071
With comments that could be summarized nicely, such as:
Basic summary: aside from the fact that a lot of it could be hyperbolic heresay and/or BS, this happens with every system and every system launch. 6 months prior to the 360 launch, developers still didn't have hardware that anywhere near resembled the final hardware. A G5 is programmed for differently than the PPE, for example.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=442071
With comments that could be summarized nicely, such as:
blu said:
Basic summary: aside from the fact that a lot of it could be hyperbolic heresay and/or BS, this happens with every system and every system launch. 6 months prior to the 360 launch, developers still didn't have hardware that anywhere near resembled the final hardware. A G5 is programmed for differently than the PPE, for example.
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That's what I'm assuming too.ksamedi said:
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herzogzwei1989 said:
Lovely Salsa said:
Actually, I don't think I've been this excited about a console since the N64.
I loved the GameCube hardware, but it just feels like the jump to full HD w/ modern shaders is almost as big a leap as going from the SNES to the N64.
The thought of possibly seeing Mario, Star Fox, Wave Race, Mario Kart, Zelda, 1080, F-Zero, Smash Bros., Kirby, etc. with modern graphics technologies is just extremely exciting.
The DSi to 3DS console transfer gives me hope that something similar will exist for Wii to Wii U adopters.
Also, if Nintendo didn't cheap out on controller hardware, they could sell it at a loss to keep it at a good price. And if they actually made competent online, they wouldn't have to sell that many controllers because people would be playing online...so they wouldn't take that big of a hit.
I'm a genius.
Also, if Nintendo didn't cheap out on controller hardware, they could sell it at a loss to keep it at a good price. And if they actually made competent online, they wouldn't have to sell that many controllers because people would be playing online...so they wouldn't take that big of a hit.
I'm a genius.
Perhaps. Besides, it's not like console manufacturers go for the highest quality parts in general. They all have to cut cut corners somewhere to get to a price the mass market will accept. You spend as much as you need to to get hardware working optimally. If the chip isn't working no matter what workarounds Nintendo tries, I'm sure they'll switch to a higher quality chip.ksamedi said:
You know, this might be why Carmack isn't as enthusiastic as he once was. Seeing this may have made him lose confidence in the platform and it may be trying his patience.
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It really is the biggest jump that Nintendo fans will probably ever experience. Larger than the PS2->PS3 jump, really.Error Macro said:
The only thing I worry about are software droughts and seeing how AAA HD games are more complex and expensive to produce I can't imagine Nintendo's output going up. Especially since at E3 they hadn't even started working yet on Smash Bros., Skyward Sword is SD and took them about 4 years to ship. They really need the third party support this time around and hopefully Iwata shopped around for some exclusives or farmed out some of Nintendo's more promising franchises to good studios.Ubermatik said:
Eh... Don't know if that can be said yet. You have to keep in mind that the Wii is something like 2.5-3x as powerful as the PS2, while current info can put Wii U anywhere from 1.5-4x PS3. We need to see more before we can make that judgement. That said, the fact that Wii U will have features available in DX10 and possibly even DX11 means that it is bigger in someways.SolarPowered said:
It's definitely the biggest Nintendo system jump, though.
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StevieP said:
I didn't see that thread either.
A deal like Microsoft did with Gears seems good enough at the moment. As for expansion it's a good idea but even if they expanded it's going to take a while to get actual results. And blowing all that money now doesn't seem smart. Sure Nintendo can spend more since they've been cheap for a while but their warchest could be empty very quickly if they start throwing money at things without getting returns.BurntPork said:
At the same time, they have two systems that require a significant amount of time and money to develop for. Most 3DS games are outsourced, and yet they still can't keep up. We already know that they can't trust third parties either. Hell, we still can't say for sure that Wii U will still get third party support after the other next gen consoles release. After what happened with 3DS, Nintendo needs to either go big or go home.[Nintex] said:
Still the Microsoft way is smarter they could quickly move from Gears and Lost Oddessey to Dance Central and Kinectanimals. First party studios are usually stuck on one game/genre/franchise and you need to move fast to keep up with the market trends. Which is pretty much how Microsoft kept their lead in the US. One thing Microsoft did fuck up was their first party stable. Imagine if they had BioWare, Bizarre Creations, a productive old-school Rare, Lionhead, Turn10, Bungie and all the others they let go or closed in a wave of insanity.BurntPork said:
I'm also not sure what Nintendo could or should buy at this point, likely candidates would be Level-5 or Namco I guess but there's not much to buy that could easily fit in.
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PS2 and Wii are operating on the same resolution with differences in stuff technical stuff which allowed them to play the same game(s) with some minor cosmetic differences(obviously the Wii has some extra umph that would ultimately give the edge to the Wii). A 2x->4x jump from the PS3 is also massive and it guarantees 720P games which HD consoles in this generation struggled to run. I'm pretty sure that some of the stuff that Nintendo will make for the WiiU will be nearly impossible to run on the 360 or PS3 when you factor in the possible applications of the tablet controller with it's own 480P resolution.BurntPork said:
It is most definitely the biggest jump unless Nintendo decides to make a 360lite or a PS3 1.1 update.
BurntPork said:
The Wii's success was such a safe bet, no one ever doubted them for a minute. Afterall, they kept basically the same controller design they've had since the 90s so they KNEW it would work!
I mean, you're right in that Nintendo can't play it safe, but the Wii U from everything we OFFICIALLY know is not exactly playing it safe. There is a lot of rumor and speculation though of course and a lot of supposed insider information we have NO way of verifying yet.
What frustrates me though, more and more is the COMPLETE silence of official information. As I said in the thread about Nintendo possibly cutting corners with Wii U (which I don't believe) Nintendo really DOES need to answer some questions sooner than later. If not a full unveil then at least lift the corner on something like Online plans. They say their system will be comparable to other consoles, just "check that box" well, LET us check it. SHOW US that. Kill any rumors that it won't be as good. PROVE it.
If you wont' show us a FULL game show us another little tech demo with online capability for how it will work. SOMETHING. Throw us a bone, kill the negative buzz. Get a little ENERGY and EXCITEMENT back around it.
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It's so far off, that it won't even matter. Any 'new' info would wear out quickly. Really, the fact that showed it off at E3 with how incomplete it is was a dumb idea, but if they didn't, there was a huge gap in Wii and 3DS games. Also by showing it they made Microsoft and Sony take notice that they've got something on the way, and probably kicked their next gen plans into higher gear.
I really don't know why it's taking so long though, NCL from Mario Galaxy 2 to Zelda has worked on virtually nothing major. Wii U should have been ready this fall.
I really don't know why it's taking so long though, NCL from Mario Galaxy 2 to Zelda has worked on virtually nothing major. Wii U should have been ready this fall.
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Error Macro said:
I wouldn't expect "Full HD." It's extremely taxing on systems. I'm actually skeptical on whether or not PS4/Nextbox will hit 1080 either. It's like either doing 30fps or 60fps. There is a trade-off in graphics. Higher IQ? Or better graphics?
Boerseun said:
Wtf did I just read. Really? Considering I'm working hands on with Move.Me, I can say that your claim is false.
I'm still convinced that a DKCR sequel by Retro should be the best option for Nintendo. It's not a very long game to design, and it will be a strong, beloved title for the early Wii U's life.
Of course, I understand Retro's guys, doing a sequel is less cool than new/other IP.
For my part I'm against the idea of Retro doing the "Zelda HD", but I think they can definitely handle Four/Five/Eight Swords.
Of course, I understand Retro's guys, doing a sequel is less cool than new/other IP.
For my part I'm against the idea of Retro doing the "Zelda HD", but I think they can definitely handle Four/Five/Eight Swords.
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I'd love to see them revive Ice Climbers.
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It is Fall at the latest. No way they wait until the very end of the year(or the next for that matter) with the Wii in a coma and on life support(which it will be by then).Medalion said:
They are just going to kill the Wii brand if they keep the Wii floundering out there until Fall or after with no games.
You made a point, problem is, with the 3DS (early release in the year, price tag) they havn't met the expectations. It was clear at E3 and before E3 this year they wanted do to the same thing, but today they are facing some doubts about it.SolarPowered said:
The price tag is a problem, they shouldn't offer a new "overpriced" system (and the controller will cost a lot);
They need more games;
The rumors says they are facing problems between third party developers and dev kits...
Several things that doesn't really go in the sense of the earlier release in the CY, even if it was their first plan
Also, it is very early to discuss this, but what about the idea of Super Mario Bros Mii bundled with the system?
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Freezie KO said:
Ice Climbers: Polar Death X, a horror survival game set in the arctic is coming.
Retro will be working on a FPS, possibly a revival of Star tropics.
You heard it hear first.
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StreetsAhead said:
I was thinking more Ice Climber Country Returns in HD, rather than this:
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A late September launch in 2012 would be a year away. If they can't get it ready by then they had better have the greatest launch of all time in order to make up for the fatigued Wii brand that they'll be peddling to the masses who can only see Kinect.
The possibility of launching in the same year as a new MS console(2013 if they want to take their sweet time) could also spell disaster if they are trying to build a base for third parties. Late Summer is the ideal time to start moving those units next year in order for them to enjoy a decent Christmas. All they need to do is focus on making the machine dev friendly and not too costly. All they need is a handful of original/mediocre games with a first party stunner and a flood of multiplatform titles.
How they managed to fudge up their transition with all that R&D money and the Wii brand is beyond me. The hardware should have been the easiest part. If they've got problems there I'm terrified of finding out how they are doing on the online front...
The possibility of launching in the same year as a new MS console(2013 if they want to take their sweet time) could also spell disaster if they are trying to build a base for third parties. Late Summer is the ideal time to start moving those units next year in order for them to enjoy a decent Christmas. All they need to do is focus on making the machine dev friendly and not too costly. All they need is a handful of original/mediocre games with a first party stunner and a flood of multiplatform titles.
How they managed to fudge up their transition with all that R&D money and the Wii brand is beyond me. The hardware should have been the easiest part. If they've got problems there I'm terrified of finding out how they are doing on the online front...
I've always wanted a kitty. :3Ubermatik said:
Medalion said:
The thing is, at some point they can't keep this wall of silence up even if they had some artificial internal time line that ACTUALLY literally forbade any major talk until after the new year (something I'm not quite convinced exists in such a definite form, even if that is there preference). The gaming industry lives a lot on hype and buzz. There has been nothing but a positive buzz around skyward sword for example, and apart from being a Zelda game so you expect a certain quality you expect that they've taken their time and changed it up a LITTLE bit, it should be great.
The Wii U is slipping, in public perception terms a bit into an early PS3 mindset I think. Not in a direct comparison way, but just in the sense that... Sony's officially unveiling of the PS3 and $599 went off very, very, very, badly. It will go down as one of the most iconic, horribly bad moments of this generation. It was pricing themselves out of the market at that time and basically surrendering first place for the forseeable future. Their talk of "getting a second job to pay for it" didn't help perception either. So the buzz there was it was cheap. The buzz with gamecube was it was "kiddie" and a "lunch box" (even though I disagree with both assertions in large part that was a lot of the noise around it at the time). the 360 was of course defined early by the RROD (aside from also being defined by launching first and building their lead a bunch).
Every console builds up early first impressions, sometimes even before they're launched and that can stick with a product it's entire life cycle if you aren't careful. It's a large part of why the 3DS is now $80 cheaper than it was. I think the luke warm reception and the confusion generated by E3, though it ultimately can be fixed with their true blow out event for the console when they're ready for that STILL needs to be addressed sooner than that to at least really allay some fears (specifically either online or "only one controller) if they can FULLY address either of those issues.
If there IS a robust full online system akin to PSN or Live then show us a little taste of it. Hell, announce the death of friend codes and watch the excitement build. Of course, if there isn't it'll be more rocky but I think a lot of that is in place, enough to show anyway.
If they HAVE gotten multiple controllers working with it team up with a dev, say EA and show off an example of it in action such as madden. Seems IDEAL for a dual tablet game. Show it off. Stamp out the fear. Get a bit of positive buzz going. The negativity around the Wii U in recent days is not healthy to perceptions even if it DOES turn out false (if it's true then... well I said it's not healthy)
Jackano said:
Depends if they have something else planned or not, al a Wii Sports. See, Super Mario Bros. Mii would sell extremely well on it's own, and would help the system to launch if sold separately. Bundle the game with the system and you lose out on the exposure and sales the game would generate. This is why I reckon the game would benefit the system more as a separate release. Whether Nintendo will bundle something else instead, I don't know.
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Forgot to mention she died a couple of months ago... but you can still have her if you like...? :|
Wait, that's sick...
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