-Pyromaniac-
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ah yeah that's better than what I've seen, not bad at all.EloquentM said:
Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012
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ShockingAlberto
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Cite.BurntPork said:
Shin Johnpv
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EloquentM said:
I don't think there's any direct feed footage of what was shown on the floor.
-Pyromaniac-
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The reason the sliders aren't clickable is the same reason Nintendo hasn't had a real online infrastructure yet for their console. They are clueless to what's going on in gaming outside of their own world.
edit: damn that second pic is legit.
edit: damn that second pic is legit.
that second picture is nice.
here's some off screen footage of the new build of that bird demo from e3 at the show floor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVKMMYFbVgk
looks like you could tweak the camera angles and look around the environment in the demo in SD resolution via the controller.
here's some off screen footage of the new build of that bird demo from e3 at the show floor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVKMMYFbVgk
looks like you could tweak the camera angles and look around the environment in the demo in SD resolution via the controller.
InfiniDragon
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I personally don't give a damn about clicky sticks as long as there's a button or function to match it (hated those things since the DualShock). And since this thing has a 6 inch touch screen on it...yeah I don't care.
-Pyromaniac-
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I take it you don't play shooters though. Because if you do, it's not a small deal, it's a big one. Simply no button can replace it and offer the same level of comfort/naturalness.InfiniDragon said:
yeah...some spin.rpmurphy said:
InfiniDragon
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-Pyromaniac- said:
I play shooters on PC (I also greatly dislike dual analog aiming schemes) so yeah I don't have to worry about that. But even in the few games I do play that use the function, it's never clicked for me (pun sorta intended).
Shin Johnpv
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I have to be honest I didn't even realize the 360 controller had clickable sticks till I just tried it out. I know I've run into PS2/3 games that use them, but I can't think of any 360 ones that do. I'm sure there are ones and my brain is just playing tricks on me.
Yep it allowed people to change cameras etc. You could see there is much more detail in it all too. Birds feathers look much better with more detail to the individual feathers, Self shadowing added etc. Many of the flowers etc look much better tooEloquentM said:
It was a night and day difference that im guessing was just poor timing as for when they had to make the demo reel.
-Pyromaniac-
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just about every FPS known to man uses it. Other games use it for things like opening up menus (when other buttons are all occupied with other things), taking cover, etc...Shin Johnpv said:
Shin Johnpv
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Ahhhh I haven't played any FPS on 360. I loathe with a burning passion dual analog aiming, so any FPS I've played this generation have either been on the PC or the Wii.
Fourth Storm
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Clicky sticks suck! Having to press it down while also trying to angle the stick to move your character is a pain in the ass. I, for one, am happy Nintendo has not included this convention into their plan. For what? There are more natural ways for a character to duck. Always been a mouse and keyboard man myself anyway...
-Pyromaniac-
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I don't know what world you live in but it's very easy. And you don't have to hold the click down, you just have to press it once while holding the direction you want to move.Fourth Storm said:
There is absolutely no more natural way to run in a shooter than using the stick click. And I never understand people who say they prefer keyboard, it's a totally different control scheme. Not talking about mouse and keyboard. On consoles, while playing shooters, there is absolutely, factually, no better way to handle it than the click sticks.
I almost want to call it a fact over an opinion, but I'm being generous. Even if you don't like it, I don't see how you can be happy that nintendo left it out. It's an extra option. Those are good to have.
Black-Wind
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This.Fourth Storm said:
Fuck clicky sticks >:/
I always have to stop what I'm doing to spend 2-3 secs trying to click down on them.
Fuck, this is why I just camp out in one spot and shoot people who run by on Live. Aiming sucks and clicky sticks are worthless, IDK HOW so many people play FPS on the 360. Mouse or Wii Mote ... those are my preferred controls for FPS.
Dreamwriter
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My problem with clicky sticks is I'm always accidentally pressing them, and if that actually triggers something in the game, it messes me up.
Any developer that can't come up with a better scheme than a clicky joystick on a controller with an accelerometer, gyroscope, and a big touchscreen in the middle is a bad developer.
Any developer that can't come up with a better scheme than a clicky joystick on a controller with an accelerometer, gyroscope, and a big touchscreen in the middle is a bad developer.
-Pyromaniac- said:
No, he's right, clicky sticks do suck.
But even if they didn't, contrary to what you believe, it is possible to competently control an FPS without em.
The I think the main reason nintendo's gone for circle pads over traditional sticks is due to the necessity of incorporating the touch panel as an input. I think it'd be much easier to move your thumb and hit the pad when using a circle pad vs. sticks. And it's not that I'm happy that nintendo is leaving clicky sticks out, I just don't really care.
Like antonz mentioned the NEC 28nm process is IBM HKMG technology, what I don't get is why they keep the CPU @ 45nm? My guess is it's already so small that a further shrink wouldn't make sense and maybe we will see a SOC with CPU and GPU both on one 28nm or 20/22nm die later in WiiU's lifecycle.
fabricated backlash
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-Pyromaniac- said:
You know what's a fact? That clickable sticks are vastly inferior in durability and accuracy in the long run. The damage done to my 360 pads by this bullshit input method is severe.
Hell and I got lucky, my analog drift isn't as bad as it is for others.
No problem with that on sticks that aren't clickable.
It's one solution to a problem better solved by good User Interface design.
I really don't care that they left it out. It's a feature I surely won't miss too much. With a touchscreen you have endless possibilities to remap those two buttons to either facebuttons or a virtual touchscreen interface.
Gamer @ Heart
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How much power wattage wise is saved on average by going 45nm > to 32 or even 28?
Enough that it would make a meaningful difference elsewhere in a ship or part?
Enough that it would make a meaningful difference elsewhere in a ship or part?
Smiles and Cries
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so we are realistically 4 months away from a new Nintendo Conference clearing up the WiiU story. How long before we should expect really good leaks?
Gamer @ Heart
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The only way the Wii U gets its own conference in 4 months is if it coming out before e3 and nothing recent has even hinted at that, some rumors suggesting even a later summer/fall release. E3 it is.Smiles and Cries said:
OrangeGrayBlue
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Wow, even on youtube the show floor bird demo seems to be noticably impoved from the stage demo. If the Wii U can run games like that, I am more than happy with this tech regardless of how the 360-2/PS4 handle thigs.
Edit- I expect the Wii U's next appearance to be around GDC which is in March, I believe. I think it will take up maybe 1/4 of the time at their GDC presentatiom, with 3DS taking up the rest. They will just tease us with a final design and show a couple more demos, I think. Then at E3 it will be just the opposite and take up 3/4 of their presentation and that's when the real blow out will be. While we're playing pretend-prophet, I'll go ahead and say that I expect a launch after September 15th and before October 31st and I expect all territories to launch within one month of each other.
Edit- I expect the Wii U's next appearance to be around GDC which is in March, I believe. I think it will take up maybe 1/4 of the time at their GDC presentatiom, with 3DS taking up the rest. They will just tease us with a final design and show a couple more demos, I think. Then at E3 it will be just the opposite and take up 3/4 of their presentation and that's when the real blow out will be. While we're playing pretend-prophet, I'll go ahead and say that I expect a launch after September 15th and before October 31st and I expect all territories to launch within one month of each other.
Black-Wind
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Something is happening in 4 months?
What about Oct-TON?
Arent they gonna have one this year?
I would hope that would be for Wii U given the recent 3DS day.
What about Oct-TON?
Arent they gonna have one this year?
I would hope that would be for Wii U given the recent 3DS day.
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1T-SRAM might be inevitable if WiiU is serious about BC.TunaLover said:
Due to the SRAM-like nature of the tech, this kind of memory allows for SRAM-like random-access times (read: very low latency). If software and/or TMUs are counting on the fact they can fetch a value from main mem (not cache) within relatively few cycles, you cannot achieve the same effect just by up-clocking some other type of higher-latency DRAM. So your BC becomes less perfect (read: some timings will suffer).
Of course, the one thing about memory is that it can be perfectly usable outside of BC scenarios as well.
ShockingAlberto
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I am betting February re-reveal in Japan, March in America, then E3 in June with a September release.
Black-Wind
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What, we can only have one TON a year?Sadist said:
I thought they were just doing a Pre-TGS-TON to help out the 3DS seeing how sad it's life has gotten.
Did someone confirm that was their last big showing this year?
Oct-TON is off? :/
I would think they would like to give their new console a decent reveal/ showing the year before it comes out.
Gamer @ Heart
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I was thinking more along the lines of what the vita had at this years TGS. OS talk, launch details and more. If a GDC Wii U talk does happen, I doubt it will be anything except names of services, visions, and a brief software tease.wsippel said:
Smiles and Cries
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you guys are expecting very little WiiU news then?
I thought with Skyward Swords out of the way the WiiU was free to openly Hype up devs because the Wii was done with its lifecycle by then.
I really don't see another 6-8 months of no news, unless Nintendo is secretly revamping everything expected about the WiiU
I thought with Skyward Swords out of the way the WiiU was free to openly Hype up devs because the Wii was done with its lifecycle by then.
I really don't see another 6-8 months of no news, unless Nintendo is secretly revamping everything expected about the WiiU
OrangeGrayBlue
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Smiles and Cries said:
I think it will be entirely re-revealed at GDC. Slightly different controller, slightly different system, overall improved visuals, abd they'll go in depth about the features the system has. I'll go ahead and say that a price and release date will be announced at GDC as well. Then, at E3, they'll maybe give us another nugget or two about the system side of things, but almost exclusively talk about software, just as they did at TGS with the 3DS.
I'll also go ahead and guess that the launch price will be $349.99
manueldelalas
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Who the fuck wants clickable sticks? That's the worst idea in gaming ever.
Also about triggers; yes the GCN had analog triggers, and guess what? not a single fuck was given, I could count the games that used that stupid shit with one hand, and the implementation was not good.
And I think people are missing the biggest thing the Wii U has; the second analog stick can be comfortably used with the middle finger; I can't begin to explain to you how a good of a design decision this is.
Everyone know that getting to the L1 and R1 buttons on a 360 is not easy and not comfortable. In the Dual Shock, it's far easier, but still, it's difficult to use the middle finger with L2 and R2, because it gets cramped. On the GCN and with the Wii CC Pro the same thing happens. But when you put the L2 and R2 buttons on the back, it opens a lot of possibilities, it is easier and much better; I gamed with a controller like that for years, and I tell you, it's fucking awesome.
Also about triggers; yes the GCN had analog triggers, and guess what? not a single fuck was given, I could count the games that used that stupid shit with one hand, and the implementation was not good.
And I think people are missing the biggest thing the Wii U has; the second analog stick can be comfortably used with the middle finger; I can't begin to explain to you how a good of a design decision this is.
Everyone know that getting to the L1 and R1 buttons on a 360 is not easy and not comfortable. In the Dual Shock, it's far easier, but still, it's difficult to use the middle finger with L2 and R2, because it gets cramped. On the GCN and with the Wii CC Pro the same thing happens. But when you put the L2 and R2 buttons on the back, it opens a lot of possibilities, it is easier and much better; I gamed with a controller like that for years, and I tell you, it's fucking awesome.
OrangeGrayBlue said:
I doubt that things like price will be announced at a game developers conference, also the price is definitely too high. I expect a Nintendo World in January / February, but not sure if they will unveil a price (depends when the system will be released).
Smiles and Cries
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OrangeGrayBlue said:
I'm with you on all of the above
Smiles and Cries
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disap.ed said:
I don't think Nintendo will wait for E3 reactions to set a price like they did for 3DS and get it all wrong again. They can set a price point early and allow fans to warm up to it.
The price will be based on the cost of the Chips in the hardware, $350 is the sweet spot for the WiiU right now. Anything less would be matching the price of the 360/PS3 giving the image of a weaker not so new hardware.
OrangeGrayBlue
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disap.ed said:
How is the price too high? It's $50 below what the 360 launched at and $250 below the PS3. I expect all three of the next consoles to launch between $350 and $450. No one is going to think about crossing that after sony's backfire this gen.
OrangeGrayBlue
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AniHawk said:
My guess was actually assuming that they initially planned for $399.99 and then bumped it down after the 3DS. I can definitely see them having a pack-in game again, though. I doubt it will be SMBM. They'd want something that utilizes the tablet more.
Smiles and Cries
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AniHawk said:
3DS was too high, but $350 for WiiU is not bad at all make it too cheap and they don't make any profit at all
and people have the nerve to post Nintendo going 3rd Party threads?
Yeah $299 WiiU with Pack-in will get them there sooner
It's not like we are talking about a $599 WiiU here
remember $599?
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