Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012
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Shanadeus said:
Even if they don't get timed exclusives it would help immensely if the DEFINITIVE versions of GTA5 and CoD and the like were on Wii U. If Nintendo can convince developers to uniquely use the tablet in ways that enhance the gaming experience compared to other systems that would go a long way to encouraging adoption by the hardcore audience.
Shanadeus said:
See, I think having the franchises is a big step forward.
I don't see Nintendo really overcoming Xbox Live for either of those titles, but will help round out their library.
I think they need to work on a smaller franchise with potential for growth. Borderlands 2 is an example. It has a rather Nintendo friendly looks. Will emphasis their push for online game play. And really, it has the potential to be huge and still early to jump on the train.
This is going to sound pessimistic at the outset, but I think that the honest answer to this question is "they can't."guek said:
I view it as a matter of exclusivity. Not in terms of games, but rather in audience. Microsoft cut its teeth early with the Xbox and 360 as the "manly" console, with its biggest emphasis placed on shooters, sports, and online play. A self-conscious public in the demographic of what's called the "hardcore" gamer nowadays, IMO, will not take up a Nintendo system as their console of choice, especially not one that still bears the Wii branding and will from day one also be pushing and marketing the for-everyone and for-kids games. Nintendo just does not and will not shake that brand identity.
Basically I think in order to truly shut something like the Xbox out of the market, they would need to shift their philosophy in both hardware and software so drastically that we would no longer be talking about the Wii U nor anything that made Nintendo successful in the first place.
Oh another idea is to partner and push some new IPs.
Again, going with a Nintendo friendly idea of a game, Overstrike seems like the perfect fit for a Nintendo caliber/type shooter that they can put their marketing behind, and still kind of keep the fun for the whole family attitude.
Also a new IP with no real console base.
Again, going with a Nintendo friendly idea of a game, Overstrike seems like the perfect fit for a Nintendo caliber/type shooter that they can put their marketing behind, and still kind of keep the fun for the whole family attitude.
Also a new IP with no real console base.
StreetsAhead
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Miyamoto apparently has a new IP, Retro may well be working on one/reviving something like StarTropics, Monolith may be making one, and then there's Killer Freaks.
Thunder Monkey
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There's a part of me that thinks the only way Nintendo could possibly do something to secure the mainstream CoD gamer would be to have all of the features of Xbox Live, but free.
If they can do that I could see those gamers migrating. But that's a tall order for a company that has shown an ineptitude to get to even OG Xbox Live like online.
If they can do that I could see those gamers migrating. But that's a tall order for a company that has shown an ineptitude to get to even OG Xbox Live like online.
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AntMurda said:
I believe he specified it was a character-based one, like Pikmin [which was his last one iirc].
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AntMurda said:
Well, it's not speculation in that he came out last year and said 'I have a new character based IP that I want to show you all in the next 12 months.' [Which, unless I am mistaken, has not been revealed]. Pikmin was directed by Hino, not created by him, again, iirc.
Instro said:
I know, I meant that they may be making a new IP as opposed to Xenoblade 2 or Day of Crisis 2, for example.
It would never happen, but am I odd for thinking that it could be really interesting to see Nintendo take Disaster and turn it into something akin to their take on the Uncharted style of games? Showing a bunch of crazy building destruction, water effects from floods, fire tornadoes, whatever else they can concoct...it could actually make for a really nice graphical showpiece if done right, and if they expanded upon the gunplay elements.StreetsAhead said:
No way Nintendo are going to get GTA V or CoD as a timed exclusive. NO FREAKING WAY.
Simply because Microsoft have a deal with activision for Call of Duty and will certainly stand in the way of any deal with Take Two (besides the fact that Nintendo don't tend to do these kind of deals outside of Japan)
Simply because Microsoft have a deal with activision for Call of Duty and will certainly stand in the way of any deal with Take Two (besides the fact that Nintendo don't tend to do these kind of deals outside of Japan)
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Doorman said:
Hmm....I approve of this.
Grampa Simpson
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It could just be that having a system with 1.5-2x the ram of the competitors and more cpu/gpu will make for easily having the definitive versions of COD 2012 and GTAV.
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Thunder Monkey said:
I think it's been about a month by now. I wonder what he did to get the boot that long.
Andrex said:
I think the opposite will happen. Another huge jump in tech is not what the console market needs IMO. Like the guy from DICE said, they have a much better understanding of things now. That should allow them to make their games more efficiently. Another radical change in hardware would not be good to me.
BlackNMild2k1 said:
If it doesn't have to be a "WOW" then I could see them sharing it. Nintendo is definitely more open this time around, but I could see them still holding some cards close to their chest.
And my "source" has said there will be.
Nintendo needs to shake up their philosophy a bit.
Call me crazy, but I still sense a lingering bit of arrogance left over from their NES/SNES glory days. Heck, the very fact that, despite all the warning signs, Nintendo still expected there to be adequate 3rd party support is telling. Their core belief in regards to 3rd parties seems to be "you want to make games for our system," despite the fact that they have two big competitors out there whose motto is "we want you to make games for our system."
I said this about the Wii though it ultimately didn't come to pass, but the key to getting 3rd parties on board and having a serious competitor of a console is Nintendo getting off their high horse and kissing some series 3rd party ass. They've got to play hard ball. They've got to pay attention to the rest of the market. Court third parties and give them want they want to the best of your abilities. 1 or 2 special partnerships that net us 1 or 2 special games a gen is not enough. They need to pay attention to the market and the industry, analyze what the trends are, and incorporate that into their strategy.
And that means they need to stop relying on hardware gimmicks. Their innovations should be their trump card - the thing that puts them over-the-top - not their only saving grace. The Wii was hurt in the long run because Nintendo bullheadedly stuck with severely underpowered hardware that they marketed as purely a casual console, and yet they expected significant third party support based on the wiimote alone. Nope.
Everything points to Nintendo not making that same mistake next gen, but I hope they realize how important that is. No matter how many bright ideas they can think of for the Wii U controller, 3rd parties won't be inspired to use it if everything else about the console is total fail.
Call me crazy, but I still sense a lingering bit of arrogance left over from their NES/SNES glory days. Heck, the very fact that, despite all the warning signs, Nintendo still expected there to be adequate 3rd party support is telling. Their core belief in regards to 3rd parties seems to be "you want to make games for our system," despite the fact that they have two big competitors out there whose motto is "we want you to make games for our system."
I said this about the Wii though it ultimately didn't come to pass, but the key to getting 3rd parties on board and having a serious competitor of a console is Nintendo getting off their high horse and kissing some series 3rd party ass. They've got to play hard ball. They've got to pay attention to the rest of the market. Court third parties and give them want they want to the best of your abilities. 1 or 2 special partnerships that net us 1 or 2 special games a gen is not enough. They need to pay attention to the market and the industry, analyze what the trends are, and incorporate that into their strategy.
And that means they need to stop relying on hardware gimmicks. Their innovations should be their trump card - the thing that puts them over-the-top - not their only saving grace. The Wii was hurt in the long run because Nintendo bullheadedly stuck with severely underpowered hardware that they marketed as purely a casual console, and yet they expected significant third party support based on the wiimote alone. Nope.
Everything points to Nintendo not making that same mistake next gen, but I hope they realize how important that is. No matter how many bright ideas they can think of for the Wii U controller, 3rd parties won't be inspired to use it if everything else about the console is total fail.
Not saying that it would "work" in the sense that it would help to sap the hardcore market away from Microsoft/Sony in any meaningful way (again, it's not just a matter of releasing games, it has just as much to do with marketing and image perception of the system as a whole). The comment earlier just made me think of what a cool idea it could potentially be on a personal level.Shanadeus said:
Then again I'm the same person who's still wishing and hoping that Nintendo will at some point make an online-playable Joy Mech Fight remake, so take my ideas with a grain of salt.
Shanadeus said:
I think it could be the reason why the project took so long, maybe in middle of the development Nintendo made a deal with SE to start working in parallel with WiiU version, implementing the online system for both versions could be slowing the things up. Everything is just wild speculation on my part =P
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We honestly don't know for sure yet. From the limited sources, it seems that it has at least has 1GB of main memory, which ~2x the RAM of the 360/PS3. 3x would be 1.5GB, which is also a reasonable possibility.Shanadeus said:
Grampa Simpson
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Ah. Sorry. Brain thought 3-4x, but wrote 1.5x-2x. Damn this cough syrup has kick.Shanadeus said:
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Grampa Simpson said:
Was there any additional sources recently that pushed the possible amount of RAM closer to the 1.5-2GB range?
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lwilliams3 said:
Nope. When someone asked him, lherre said it could be less than 1GB. But when I asked if it could be more than 1.5GB he disappeared again.
Lupin the Third
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Just an idea for the Shop logo on Wii U. Pretty simple, but hey.
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Codeine laced cough syrup.Gaborn said:
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Shanadeus said:
What? Am I missing sarcasm or some joke, or do you honestly expect the Wii U to have three times the RAM found in the next Xbox and PlayStation?
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Esnel Pla said:I just see a padlock.
An appropriate metaphor, no doubt.
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ThoseDeafMutes said:
Well played.
TheNatural
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LOL I love how this thread is just a truckin' along with basically no information since E3, and 11,500 posts in ... nada.
Is Nintendo definitely going to wait until next E3 before anything comes out, or is there a traditional start of the year conference Nintendo has or something. What is the next big gaming convention for the industry, the game developers conference or something?
Is Nintendo definitely going to wait until next E3 before anything comes out, or is there a traditional start of the year conference Nintendo has or something. What is the next big gaming convention for the industry, the game developers conference or something?
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TheNatural said:
Seriously E3 is too far off and they have 6 games until the Wii dies in NA.
Well, rumors point that Xbox720 will have 2GB of ram, I think that anything near of 1.5 for WiiU is accurate.
It seems it will the CPU will be a monster with 6 cores, and 2 GPUs, how does it compares to WiiU CPU, and GPU?
link http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=452095
It seems it will the CPU will be a monster with 6 cores, and 2 GPUs, how does it compares to WiiU CPU, and GPU?
link http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=452095
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RedSwirl said:
Wii U is expected to have between 1 and 2 GB of RAM. Besides that, the maximum resolution of both consoles will be 1080p.
I sort of wonder how the CPUs and GPUs will compare, I don't expect Wii U to go higher than four cores, but at this point it looks like they're far more comparable in terms of power than Wii and 360 were. Which is the best solution for everyone really. Vastly higher specs means higher costs for consumers and developers, and considering the bloodbath this gen was I wouldn't want a repeat viewing.
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