Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012
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bgassassin
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BnM corrected me. 
Saint Gregory
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And even when that was selling really well, it all dried up and went to mobile/handheld devices. There's really no way to predict what will happen.Willy105 said:
lunchwithyuzo
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Look at Lego, Sonic or Guitar Hero. Define "standard game".Luckyman said:
Luckyman said:
That's because their engines had to be rewritten for the archaic 2001/DX7-era architecture inside the Wii. Wii U will have the same or similar architecture as every other system out there. Besides, all of those titles sold well on Wii. The Wii has sold the most third party software this gen, from what I recall reading.
With the rising cost of development, I'd say third parties will be looking into the "if it can run the port, port it" strategy, encompassing even Vita/iPad where applicable.
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Log4Girlz said:
That's still ike 30x more powerful than the Wii so I'm not complaining.
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guek said:
Bleeding edge tech is Sony's differentiation factor, so I expect them to offer a more advanced console than the competition. It won't be $599 bleeding edge, but I'd be surprised if the Ps4's CPU and RAM pool aren't beefier than what MS is rumored to be bringing to the market.
Andrex said:That's still ike 30x more powerful than the Wii so I'm not complaining.
Exactly, going by historical precedent anywhere from 4X to 10X (I think the average is 8X) is the standard jump in tech from one console generation to the next. A Wii U with 1 GB of total RAM would be a larger than average jump. If it launches with 2GB it will probably be the largest jump between consoles in the history of the industry (even if it isn't on par with the competition).
According to that anology, only Wii (Gohan) and XboxNext (Vegeta) actually becom more powerful through anger. In the Buu Saga, surprisingly, Goku's anger never lead to a more powerful form considering he went Super Saiyan 3 just to stall time (yeah, considering what show this is...). Vegeta was pretty angry when Babidi gave him evil powers, and Gohan got pretty mad after Videl was crushed, acheiving Super Saiyan 2 for the first time in 7 years.PounchEnvy said:
So... yeah.
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wsippel said:
As in the demos look worse or better than actual games theoretically could (complete tech noob here).
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blu said:
i can´t see games looking worse with additional edram which wasn´t there before
Still hoping they go with 1,5-2 gb ram.FreeMufasa
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Andrex said:
Wow, the funimation dub really was terrible. Good thing they switched it back to Ocean here.
guek said:
History repeats itself.
Sony won't go for a super advanced console this time around I'd almost guarantee it. It might be slightly more powerful since it is pretty much guaranteed to be the last released but they're not going to be the odd console out. At the very least they're going to want to have comparable power to make multi-platform games easy for devs to do. It's the Wii problem from the other direction essentially. Wii was so far behind the other consoles it didn't have the power and the capabilities to handle ports without massive re-working - and developers didn't bother. If Sony goes TOO powerful it'd be too much work to make a port and have it in line with the system's capabilities.
Sony also likely won't have the lead console this generation for development which would be another way to justify ports (down ports in this case) because as the last console out and considering their early struggles to get users to adopt developers aren't going to risk that whenever the next system is released Sony will manage strong early sales. Developers will go with whichever console has a more established game hungry userbase.
People seem to ignore the amount of money many small developers lost last generation, and all the companies that were HUGELY burdened by the high jump in development costs with the 360 and the PS3. It's like history doesn't matter any more.
Yes the Wii was a very low jump compared to history... but the PS3 and 360 were VERY high jumps compared to previous console generations. Those costs were most felt by smaller developers. I don't think developers want to go through that again. It'll be more powerful, and noticeably so, but they're not going to go all out again because they can't afford it (and it IS going to have slightly diminishing returns relative to the last console jump).
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FreeMufasa said:
Kai was awesome. They did it right.
LegendofJoe said:
Aside from the PS3, you are incorrect.
It's the same way the Wii has caused people's previous memory to vanish, making Nintendo perpetually shit hardware.
Clean slate for next gen, until we hear otherwise. It's pretty much a given the Wii U will be the weakest one, but there isn't a single chance in hell the split will be as drastic it was this generation. Nowhere close.
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Bleeding edge is too far. Cutting Edge is about right.StevieP said:
I've been saying this for a while, but being at the forefront of technology is what Sony's entire corporate culture is built on. Even in cases where it wasn't the most powerful (PS2, PS1) the console was positioned as cutting edge and trend setting.
I'd say it's guaranteed PS4 will be no slouch. The difference this coming gen is that Sony will be more mindful of the economics of the technology they'll put in the console. 599 US dollars won't happen again.
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blu said:
In Nintendo at the present day, Science, in the old sense, has almost ceased to exist. In Newspeak there is no word for 'Science.' The empirical method of thought, on which all the scientific achievements of the past were founded, is opposed to the most fundamental principles of Nintendo.
PuppetSlave said:
There is no need for the word "casual." "Casual" as it stands is the opposite of the word "hardcore," and this is unnecessary, redundant and obsolete. Each adjective contains it's own opposite. For example "unhardcore" is much better than "casual" as it serves not as a relative pole of the core meaning, but as the precise opposite of the word "hardcore." For things more "unhardcore" than others, we can modify with "plus unhardcore" or even "doubleplus unhardcore." Thus when speaking of Nintendo, "casual" as a word is to be banned. Nintendo is "doubleplus unhardcore."
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wsippel said:
Unless I'm misremembering the second dev kits came out after E3 so the demos were made on the DDR3 kits (with GDDRx on the graphics card).
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Gaborn said:
I thought the same thing, but then I saw the Vita. Sony could have gone conservative with the Vita too, but they didn't. They are pretty much repeating the exact same PSP mentality, which was basically a failure (until last year or so).
So in that note, I really don't think they are going to go conservative with the PS4. Sony, as a hardware maker, can afford to build powerful machines for less money than Nintendo. So if they can build better for less, then there's no reason to go conservative.
E3 Demos were running in V2 kits (really is the "3rd" hardware revision).
And I repeat again ... maybe you are putting Wii U with a crazy specs (too high) or downplaying next ms and sony machines ...
Only watching the rumored "loop" specs are higher than Wii U (more cores, more ram, etc).
And I repeat again ... maybe you are putting Wii U with a crazy specs (too high) or downplaying next ms and sony machines ...
Only watching the rumored "loop" specs are higher than Wii U (more cores, more ram, etc).
bgassassin
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lherre said:
What? You weren't even sure which version you had around that time.
And I'm downplaying MS and Sony till they show otherwise.
bgassassin
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lherre said:I always forgot the internal devkits only for nintendo studios
LOL. Alright I'll let you slide.
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I don't see how people believe Sony will and simply ignore the fact that that isn't the case with the VitaPlinko said:
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My worries for Wii U
- Who is the target audience? Nintendo says they want the hardcore but they treat the hardcore badly by not giving them the games they want e.g. Xenoblade, The Last Story, Fatal Frame etc.
- No built in HDD. What about pre installs? What about large DLC? What about downloading large HD updates of classic games?
- More expensive to build a game from ground up than it was on Wii. Most devs might just port over 360/PS3 games with a touchscreen option.
- Doesn't work with 3-4 controllers (Wii thrived on social gaming)
- Controller not aesthetically pleasing
- Casuals don't want to rush out and buy another console when their Wii with Wii Fit and Just Dance works just fine
- If a casual does want to buy an HD console, they can buy a 360 with Kinect for cheaper than Wii U
- Worst graphics. Why would the hardcore buy the Wii U when they can buy a console with better graphics, better online and more shooting games? Will the games look dated after a couple of years?
- The name. Wii U? Sounds like an update of the Wii. Kinda like DS > DSi
- The console. It looks near identical to the Wii. When I buy a new house, I don't want it to look exactly like my last one.
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- Who is the target audience? Nintendo says they want the hardcore but they treat the hardcore badly by not giving them the games they want e.g. Xenoblade, The Last Story, Fatal Frame etc.
- No built in HDD. What about pre installs? What about large DLC? What about downloading large HD updates of classic games?
- More expensive to build a game from ground up than it was on Wii. Most devs might just port over 360/PS3 games with a touchscreen option.
- Doesn't work with 3-4 controllers (Wii thrived on social gaming)
- Controller not aesthetically pleasing
- Casuals don't want to rush out and buy another console when their Wii with Wii Fit and Just Dance works just fine
- If a casual does want to buy an HD console, they can buy a 360 with Kinect for cheaper than Wii U
- Worst graphics. Why would the hardcore buy the Wii U when they can buy a console with better graphics, better online and more shooting games? Will the games look dated after a couple of years?
- The name. Wii U? Sounds like an update of the Wii. Kinda like DS > DSi
- The console. It looks near identical to the Wii. When I buy a new house, I don't want it to look exactly like my last one.
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Everyone. Whether NOA are dicks or not, Xenoblade was still made and produced.
8GB built in, allow users to purchase the SD card or USB HD of your choice for cheap expansion. Sounds fine to me.
No shit. It will be the same development costs as your standard HD game (current/next gen). Multiplat is the way to go for all developers.
2 UPads, 4 Wiimotes. Sounds fine.
Current design may change. Also, opinion.
Yeah. Casuals care about software that makes them buy, which (hilariously) brings me to your point below:
They will buy Kinect if there is software to sustain it and there is advertisement to keep it in the public eye.
Why would the hardcore buy a console when they can buy a PC with better graphics, better online, and more shooting games? Will the games look dated after a couple of years?
Advertising is all it needs. Xbox was and is an awful name. Yet its successor...
Really? What if you and your siblings like the way your house looks? Granted, it's still just an opinion.
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