I'd actually say the Eternal Darkness 2 rumor is most likely true. We have the recent statement, the video interview from two weeks ago ("Nintendo is a great partner", "Nintendo still owns part of Silicon Knights", "we can't talk about Eternal Darkness at this point"), and the recent leak (Silicon Knights was working on Wii U stuff in 2011).
Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto
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-Pyromaniac-
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what is prevailing, leading the console sales, or leading in profits. Remains to be seen on both fronts for next generation if they do end up going balls out, because they'll either bleed like mofos, or they'll have trouble selling at such a high price.
pieatorium
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But they have $200 of leeway on their current hardware first.
I would love, really. But I missed the leak about SK working on Wii U in 11. Have you any link, please?
About SK I was thinking that they are working on the Soul Reaver reboot (they developed Blood omen)
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
IMO, if ever there was a console architecture which deserved to last two generations, it'd be the cube.
well, an important question would be whether or not microsoft would be making a profit on this new hardware. if true, of course, because it's probably not.
The money won't necessarily keep them in forever. Shareholder pressure and Ballmer's inevitable replacement could result in an eternally loss-leading Xbox no longer being seen as a good long term strategy.
It's a very strange situation they're in. If they become the market leader but once again lose billions of dollars, what then? Are they hoping to keep this up, generation after generation, until the gaming market is expanded to the point the console would be hugely profitable through software and online sales? Or do they plan to create profitable day-1 machines when the day comes that they feel Xbox is secure in its domination of the marketplace?
herzogzwei1989
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ViewtifulJC
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2013, year of the Gamecube, just wait
herzogzwei1989
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Where is IdeaMan, in Germany right? He needs to post here ASAP ^__^
)France I guess. German dev' don't leak.
Isnt he in France?
They lost money on 360 only because RROD, 360 was almost profitable from day one, yet it was technical marvel. They designed very very efficient and powerful console, but RROD fucked it all up.
MS has very good set up for next gen. Live and Kinect. I don't give a shit about Kinect, but many people do and new Kinect would surely spark alot of interest. Also, it would bring them alot of profit. As for Live, Live is the best on line service you can get in console and it brings them very nice revenue. I can't even think how will hardcore gamers go to Nintendo system to play COD or BF and not wait for new MS machine with best online infrastructure.
So, even if MS goes all out and prices a console ~400-500$ with Kinect it will sell. People are just used to Live, and its totally different case than last gen when 600$ Sony machine was on sale.
herzogzwei1989
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Not yet.
I believe you are mistaken, good chum
and that was just the BoM. Shipping + R&D + manufacturing + marketing added up to a lot more
He''s got a long running series of hits from his contacts. There was another event related to the 3DS last year where he pretty much hit every target while people were still wondering what was even going to be presented.
bgassassin
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From the top of my head the division Xbox 360 is under had operating losses of $3.1 billion in the first two years of 360s life of which $1.1 biillion was the RROD. I don't recall Zune having that big of an impact.
I've been beaten many times over because I was looking (unsuccessfully) for figures, but this is straight up bs.
Sony and Microsoft both created machines that racked up massive losses from day one. It was only so much worse for Sony because of their decision to use it as a Blu-Ray trojan, coupled with the expensive research and production costs for the Cell.
Smiles and Cries
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wait so Nintendo never sold of its shares of Silicon Knights?
TheCongressman1
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I'm expecting a big 'ol nothing.
Nintendo still owns stock iirc
IceDoesntHelp
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Sorry, what does that have to do with RROD? Honestly, this does NOT back up your statement at all.
I think the actual video game part of the Xbox Brand is the least appealing to Microsoft these days, to be honest. Kinect integration, Operating System, LIVE services and the living room media hub are where the real dollar signs for MS are.
I think Kinect will be a stand alone brand very soon, integrated into all Microsoft products.
Keep in mind that the figure quoted doesn't include the cost of packaging and distribution and other miscellaneous expenses.
? I was saying that manufacturing costs weren't exactly enormous. They were in red (126$) and in 2006 they cut it to 75$ in black.
IceDoesntHelp
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You are asking me what do manufacturing costs have to do with RROD. I said they lost money because RROD, not because they were in red for 3 year like Sony. I posted manufacturing costs from 2006 where they are in black 75$. Whats problem?
IceDoesntHelp
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But you never backed up your statement, you know typically when someone states something, they usually have a source. But you just pull out the "common sense" bs.
Whatever though.
cyberheater
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So no Mondayaton. I'm not surprised.
First of all, that's not what you originally stated. Second of all, MS was still probably losing a considerable amount of money overall per 360 sold. The wii cost a measly $88 to manufacture and nintendo made a whopping $6 of pure operating profit after all other extraneous costs.
herzogzwei1989
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I'm expecting IdeaMan to post *something* small.
I said they lost money on RROD, not on hardware. Guess I was wrong, they lost 126$ in first half year of 360 cycle, only to cut costs and went to black next year(2006, 75$). Which is far and away from people describing 360 as being money hole like PS3 for 3-4 years.
andthebeatgoeson
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Mondayton is on par with Thursdayton
Remember when iSuppli put out the $108 3DS story and people thought Nintendo were making nearly $150 profit, but then it was revealed that they were making a loss at $169?
I said iSuppli was garbage earlier. Maybe that's unfair, but it presents only half the story.
phosphor112
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Because it's a bad rumor.
Beside that they still own a bit of them, the rumor brought up them makeing ED 2 was even rumored back then in 2011, April.
Link to that: http://www.zeldainformer.com/2011/0...project-cafe-title-is-eternal-darkness-2.html
So you give me iSuppli estimate of 126$ loss on every 360 sold in 2005, and when I post 2006 numbers where MS cuts costs and makes 75$ on it, its crap?
Obviously, 360 was no where near money hole like some of you like to describe it, and majority of money went in RROD fiasco. Thats why MS can go with same tactics next gen, loss is nothing.
Obviously, 360 was no where near money hole like some of you like to describe it, and majority of money went in RROD fiasco. Thats why MS can go with same tactics next gen, loss is nothing.
Yup - they're a pretty sizeable minority shareholder in the company. Enough of a percentage to influence the direction in which the company goes.
Yes, we all know that.. but do we think that they have realized this yet? For some odd reason, I think they don't get it yet. And Nintendo would seem content to let those two have their arms race..