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[HylianTom]

This feels like a really bad dress rehearsal for when real rumors start breaking. Love it!

 

[Instro]

WiiU release date and that other rumor both sound incredibly fake.

 

[NateDrake]

Oh, and I just decided to mention a bit more about said document: It was audio middleware. If you know your Google fu, it's easy to find - but please don't quote/ link it. I don't want to see another source going dark, or people getting in trouble.

Anyway, those guys said their engine now performs 400% better than the initial release from late 2011. And that's the software pipeline, so with hardware acceleration, the difference should be even bigger. Anyway, the initial release was slow as molasses - and audio is by no means an easy task. We have developers from Microsoft going on record, stating that audio alone can easily account for one third of the computational load on PS360. Now imagine the unoptimized engine running four times worse. That's right: The audio alone would completely kill any current generation system. That's just an example, but I guess my point is obvious: Developers relying on middleware will run into massive performance problems, and will obviously blame the system.

Then those said developers are just lazy & their games deserve to bomb at retail. It's the typical Nintendo situation, being that it sounds like developers want things handed to them so they can do as little work as possible but if something somewhat challenging arises they blame Nintendo & the hardware.

 

[Sadist]

Come on 26th of April

 

[Pyrokai]

So are we for sure disregarding the gameindustry article?

 

[wsippel]

Then those said developers are just lazy & their games deserve to bomb at retail. It's the typical Nintendo situation, being that it sounds like developers want things handed to them so they can do as little work as possible but if something somewhat challenging arises they blame Nintendo & the hardware.

I wouldn't say they're lazy, I think a lot of devs simply don't know better. Having seen parts of the official 3DS documentation, I'm beginning to understand. You know, there's that rumor that Nintendo uses OpenGL. And they actually do! Thing is: They also recommend not to use it, because it performs like ass. Still, many developers use it, because they understand OpenGL and don't care to dig any deeper (or don't know any better, or simply don't have the time or money or manpower to do more), and might eventually claim that the system performs badly. And there's very little middleware on handhelds, On Wii U, things will get better once the hardware is finalized and stable, and middleware devs can optimize their shit properly. But we aren't there yet.

 

[Green Yoshi]

And yet we still know nothing of it's CPU, only that it's an ARM 11.

Dual Core, 266 Mhz.

Dead or Alive: Dimensions and Resident Evil: Revelations still look amazing.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

So are we for sure disregarding the gameindustry article?

yes we are my young pyro apprentice.

 

[Gamer @ Heart]

Dual Core, 266 Mhz.

Dead or Alive: Dimensions and Resident Evil: Revelations still look amazing.

Its not dual core. Its two separate processors i believe, like the DS.

 

[wsippel]

Dual Core, 266 Mhz.

Dead or Alive: Dimensions and Resident Evil: Revelations still look amazing.

268MHz. And the second core was/ is locked - and will be unlocked with the as of yet unreleased firmware 3.1 as far as I understand.

Its not dual core. Its two separate processors i believe, like the DS.

ARM11MPCore, so dual core. I'm not making this up, by the way - straight from the compiler output.

 

[BY2K]

Another shit day on GAF, I see.

 

[brochiller]

268MHz. And the second core was/ is locked - and will be unlocked with the as of yet unreleased firmware 3.1 as far as I understand.

Why was it locked in the first place? And will 3DS owners see any noticeable differences when it is unlocked?

 

[Redford]

Can we get another EBA game for U, for Nayru's sake. I'd rather that be the premier dance game on the Wii U, rather than Just Dance, which is, err... generic.

Spoiler

Thought I'd give that a spin, Tom

Edit: Poor Baby Yoshi, wha happn'?

 

[UltimateIke]

Another day on GAF, I see.

This is the way it will be until the system is in people's homes.

 

[wsippel]

Why was it locked in the first place? And will 3DS owners see any noticeable differences when it is unlocked?

It's a CPU, so I don't think gamers will see a difference. Should mostly affect stuff like physics and AI. And I think it was locked because the initial 3DS operating system was extremely resource hungry, but I don't really know.

 

[Gamer @ Heart]

268MHz. And the second core was/ is locked - and will be unlocked with the as of yet unreleased firmware 3.1 as far as I understand.



ARM11MPCore, so dual core. I'm not making this up, by the way - straight from the compiler output.

Good to know.

Are there still things we dont know about the 3DS so far?

 

[brochiller]

It's a CPU, so I don't think gamers will see a difference. Should mostly affect stuff like physics and AI. And I think it was locked because the initial 3DS operating system was extremely resource hungry, but I don't really know.

Mmm interesting. Well even if it only improves stuff like physics that's better than nothing at all.

 

[wsippel]

Good to know.

Are there still things we dont know about the 3DS so far?

I don't think so.

 

[cyberheater]

Less powerful? I don't think so.

 

[BY2K]

I mean c'mon. "Graphics aren't as powerful." What dev talks like this?

 

[Glorified G]

Less powerful? I don't think so.

Looks like you might have to change your avatar.

 

[AceBandage]

Whoa.
Pyromancer.
The fuck is up with your tag, man?

 

[Always-honest]

wrong thread.. well, somewhat

 

[cyberheater]

Looks like you might have to change your avatar.

The only way is up.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Whoa.
Pyromancer.
The fuck is up with your tag, man?

no idea what you're referring to, it's the same as always, must be a glitch on your computer. Also not sure if I should be flattered that you consider me a pyromancer instead of a pyromaniac.

 

[D_prOdigy]

I mean c'mon. "Graphics aren't as powerful." What dev talks like this?

You can pick all the holes you want in the content of the 'report', but developers being as inarticulate as that is the first thing I'd buy.

 

[AceBandage]

no idea what you're referring to, it's the same as always, must be a glitch on your computer. Also not sure if I should be flattered that you consider me a pyromancer instead of a pyromaniac.

I consider them one in the same.

 

[cyberheater]

I mean c'mon. "Graphics aren't as powerful." What dev talks like this?

Well. You know. Nintendo could shut them up in a heartbeat by actually fucking showing something.

 

[Disorientator]

 

[guek]

Looks like you might have to change your avatar.

 

[AceBandage]

Well. You know. Nintendo could shut them up in a heartbeat by actually fucking showing something.

Why? They don't care about some two bit dev that is likely making a throw away game.
They've already gotten their praise from Epic, Ubisoft, EA, THQ, Gearbox and Crytek.
That's all they need.

 

[BY2K]

Why? They don't care about some two bit dev that is likely making a throw away game.
They've already gotten their praise from Epic, Ubisoft, EA, THQ, Gearbox and Crytek.
That's all they need.

Tecmo, Team Ninja, Capcom.

 

[IdeaMan]

DKC is certainly a core title though as well. Just saying. And it also could be a number of Nintendo IPs that they are working on all of which are unlikely to satiate that "mature" crowds appetite. I have my doubts that it is an original IP to be honest.

DKCR2 could be harder than some levels of the first one, it's still not a "catering to mature crowds" title, as a sci-fi/contemporary FPS/TPA is. I employ quote marks every time because myself, i hate these terminology, but this is how it goes these days. For the original IP, yeah, i have my doubts but i think it's time to build a real new and ambitious franchise and benefit from more western influences of Retro. Maybe a revival of a very old one, we'll see

Ideaman, I know you're French so it's not your fault but you misspelt excruciating.

Come on, it's over soon

True but lets be honest. Most people who bought Soul Calibur did not know about the PSone game or the Arcade version lol. They bought it because it was the best looking fighting game on the most powerful console Dreamcast (during the time before PS2 came out).

I do see your point though.

It was glorious. Never seen before. Arcade at home. And all in a smaller box than the Wii U one Size doesn't matter that much heh !

I feel bad for posting it, but here we go, for teh lolz:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...ess-powerful-than-ps3-xbox-360-developers-say
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Well, let's prepare ourselves for another 20 pages of "Nintendo iz doommeeeeed, can i haz a ps4 plox, da woui you iz underpawaraide"

 

[cyberheater]

Why? They don't care about some two bit dev that is likely making a throw away game.
They've already gotten their praise from Epic, Ubisoft, EA, THQ, Gearbox and Crytek.
That's all they need.

Yes but are these devs just paying lip service to Nintendo because they are frightened of backing the wrong horse again.

 

[AceBandage]

Yes but are these devs just paying lip service to Nintendo because they are frightened of backing the wrong horse again.

Haha, really?
Epic isn't going to make shit for the Wii U, regardless of what happens. What do they care about "backlash"?

 

[HylianTom]

Damn. 9 more weeks of this. Glorious.

 

[AzaK]

Why? They don't care about some two bit dev that is likely making a throw away game.
They've already gotten their praise from Epic, Ubisoft, EA, THQ, Gearbox and Crytek.
That's all they need.

I agree, Nintendo wouldn't waste a breath on someone like that but it's still not great to have info like that circulating on a site like that. I would also say that the praise has been rather muted and not "jaw dropping".

Damn. 9 more weeks of this. Glorious.

I know!

Until the Wii generation I never bothered with gaming forums and the like, I just heard about a console coming up then played games. Then those damned podcasts started mentioning this site called "NeoGAF" so I checked it out. My mind, body and nerves will never be the same again, ever. I feel the only way to survive after Wii U comes out (Or even after the big reveal at E3), is to just black out from forums and just enjoy what Nintendo is offering and all the good that will come from a powerful HD console.

 

[cyberheater]

Haha, really?
Epic isn't going to make shit for the Wii U, regardless of what happens. What do they care about "backlash"?

I'm not so sure. It's a pretty strange situation. Again and again we keep hearing stuff about how the WiiU isn't as powerful as it should be. I've never heard so much negative statements from "devs" before a console launch before.

 

[cyberheater]

I agree, Nintendo wouldn't waste a breath on someone like that but it's still not great to have info like that circulating on a site like that. I would also say that the praise has been rather muted and not "jaw dropping".



I know!

Until the Wii generation I never bothered with gaming forums and the like, I just heard about a console coming up then played games. Then those damned podcasts started mentioning this site called "NeoGAF" so I checked it out. My mind, body and nerves will never be the same again, ever. I feel the only way to survive after Wii U comes out (Or even after the big reveal at E3), is to just black out from forums and just enjoy what Nintendo is offering and all the good that will come from a powerful HD console.

Indeed. That is a fair assessment.

 

[AceBandage]

I'm not so sure. It's a pretty strange situation. Again and again we keep hearing stuff about how the WiiU isn't as powerful as it should be. I've never heard so much negative statements from "devs" before a console launch before.

Again and again? You mean Arkam and a bunch of unverified devs that apparently don't know how programing works?

 

[cyberheater]

Again and again? You mean Arkam and a bunch of unverified devs that apparently don't know how programing works?

No. I'm on about devs talking anonymously to websites etc...

 

[AceBandage]

No. I'm on about devs talking anonymously to websites etc...

Right...
Unverified sources that don't know how programming works.
Ala: The Gamebiz article.

 

[cyberheater]

Right...
Unverified sources that don't know how programming works.
Ala: The Gamebiz article.

You're missing the main point. The negative press is starting to build about the lack of power of WiiU. It's quite alarming.

 

[BY2K]

Just make it end! For the love of God!

You're missing the main point. The negative press is starting to build about the lack of power of WiiU. It's quite alarming.

So you've been ignoring every other devs (who AREN'T anonymous) that have been PRAISING the Wii U?

Even Mark Rein himself, of Epic, the biggest "we want MORE POWER" dev of the industry?

 

[AceBandage]

You're missing the main point. The negative press is starting to build about the lack of power of WiiU. It's quite alarming.

The negative press that only matters to one group of people: Us.
The ones that have pretty much already made up out minds ages ago on whether we'd be getting Nintendo's next console or not.

 

[Oddduck]

The negative press is good because it puts more pressure on Nintendo to have an amazing E3.

I think Nintendo fans like AceBandage should WANT more pressure from the media to be put on Nintendo.

It'll force Nintendo to do more and try harder to surprise gamers.

 

[BY2K]

I'm telling you, the one pulling the string on the UE4 NDA is Nintendo. /crazy (almost.)

 

[Thraktor]

I'm not so sure. It's a pretty strange situation. Again and again we keep hearing stuff about how the WiiU isn't as powerful as it should be. I've never heard so much negative statements from "devs" before a console launch before.

They're going to be saying the same things about the next XBox and Playstation as well in all likelihood. Some developers just seem to have an idea in their head that console manufacturers can put a 4GHz 8-core processor, dual 680s and 8GB of GDDR5 RAM in a box, sell it for less than $400 and not go bankrupt. This is going to be the first generation that, from a technical standpoint, top-end PCs will be superior in every way to consoles right from launch day, and a lot of tech-head devs are going to be pretty disappointed by that.

 

[Hiltz]

Fools day was yesterday, mysterious source!

 

[HylianTom]

Just make it end! For the love of God!



So you've been ignoring every other devs (who AREN'T anonymous) that have been PRAISING the Wii U?

Even Mark Rein himself, of Epic, the biggest "we want MORE POWER" dev of the industry?

Those comments don't count. Only "on par" or below comments do.