Napoleonthechimp
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It is slightly delayed, not cancelled. Get a grip.
Wii U's Nintendo TVii, Amazon Instant Video, Hulu Plus, and Netflix pushed to Dec.
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Now that we've found out all the TVii features (Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, TiVo, cable/sat) cannot support surround sound (and likely never will) ... combined with the fact it actively breaks the usage of DPLII/DTS-Neo on receivers unless you fuck around with system settings (though at least this should be updatable in FW unless it's a DSP HW constraint) ...
... I'm really glad I cancelled my pre-order.
No matter how nice the UI and 2nd screen features are ... this thing is all but FUBAR as an HT set-top box.
... I'm really glad I cancelled my pre-order.
No matter how nice the UI and 2nd screen features are ... this thing is all but FUBAR as an HT set-top box.
You were buying the Wii U just to watch on Nintendo TVii?
Anyway, I think the title should be changed since Hulu and Youtube are available.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Well the TVii itself is just gonna switch your cable box for you.. I don't believe it's actually feeding it through the Wii U itself, so it would have all the surround sound it ever did.
but yeah, when it suggests shows on Hulu, Netflix, etc, it'll surely use the on board apps.
Exterminieren
Banned
Who in the ever-living hell preordered Wii U as a set-top box?
So, you're telling me you weren't buying one to play games?
Yes ... I made that clear in this thread. Or at least that would be it's primary use-case. Certainly I would game on it as well, but that's secondary and realistically only would gain importance as high quality content is released. If gaming was my only criteria, there isn't much of a reason to get one at launch.
Actually the intent for the TiVo integration is that it will actually search and playback the content. It acts as a streaming device like TiVo Premieres do with each other. At least that is my understanding.
You are correct it wouldn't matter for only switching situations. The only reason I mentioned cable/sat in general is because there's an expectation that some newer boxes will actually start supporting similar functionality as well. Whether or not Nintendo (or technically the TVii crew) would actually add support is an entirely different question though.
Read the thread.
H_Prestige
Banned
Yeah, because we all know the Wii U is a bastion of games.
At least when the ps3 didn't have games it did a bunch of other things so it was easy to just buy one until games started flowing.
The Wii U also has a lot of things you can do.
SteveWinwood
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Can't fold at home = worthless.
Except they're all gimped to high hell.
With a lack of games, why would I pay $350 to use features that are inferior to the < $100 Roku box or myriad other devices I already own that can do them better?
Well, the Wii U has Youtube, Hulu, Internet Browser, Miiverse, Wii U chat, and 23+ launch games.
What part of them being gimped versus the devices I already own are you not getting?
None of their media apps support surround sound. And if I even want to use DPL/DTS-Neo on my receiver/pre-pro I'd have to manually switch the system to stereo. Basically that means the system has zero value to me as an HT set-top box no matter how nice the interface is.
As for browsers, what devices don't have one (not that I typically use them on a console to begin with)? And it's not like the Wii U's browser is head and shoulders above other consoles really (even if it is pretty decent with HTML 5 features).
U Chat is cool I suppose, but I have a ton of devices that do Skype, and if I really felt the need to have it on a console ... it's heading to the other consoles anyway.
Lastly ... the games. I'm not saying the launch lineup is terrible. However if you already own a PS3, 360, and/or PC ... it's hardly compelling either. The majority of titles are ports, and it's not like Nintendo has released their AAA content or will soon (and it's not like they should be expected to). Yes I'd like to play ZombieU, but it's not really a reason to go out and buy a new console.
As I said ... similar features are already either on devices I already own ... or are in fact actually better on the devices I already own (particularly the HT stuff which was my main reason for getting one to begin with) ... and the gaming lineup is hardly compelling unless you don't already own a PS3, 360 or PC.
Wait, is this true? I haven't tried yet, but Amazon/Netflix on Wii U don't support surround sound?
Console launches tend to be like this. People tend to buy a game console for gaming first and foremost. If you think the media features of the ps3 excuse a shitty launch then I feel sorry for you. At least the Wii U has NSMB U which is decent and some good eShop titles. ZombiU itself is alright but it could have been better in some areas.
Then why not stick to using a Roku and get a Wii U when it has games you want? Not sure what your problem is to be honest.
They can't because of Nintendo being Nintendo.
The system does not support DD/DD+. Therefore it cannot transcode the audio to LPCM, which is the only format of surround sound the system can output. The only hope is that the system can be updated to bit-stream DD/DD+ over HDMI. However that would involve Nintendo actually giving a shit and spending the time/money to update the FW (who knows if or when that would happen - especially since there are plenty of other things that need fixing in the FW).
Worse, this is without knowing whether the system would even be capable of doing it. Without knowing details of the audio HW DSP being used, the HDMI Tx specs, and essentially the entire bus architecture in between ... we can't answer whether it's even physically possible.
I didn't say I have a problem.
If you want the context of what I've been discussing, read through the thread.
I did read some of it, but you have to forgive me for skipping most of your posts after a post like this:
Why did you cancel again? Obviously, you have some sort of issue with a feature being delayed. Not sure why you're raging hard because it will eventually come out. It's ok, I know that feel.
Keep reading.
That said ... I'm no longer raging about the fact I felt it necessary to cancel my pre-order. My posts since bumping this thread is continuing the discussion of TVii. I was noting new limitations that have been determined. Why are we discussing shit from a week ago?
I'm not trying to pick at you or anything so I apologize if it seems that way. Honestly, it's Nintendo. I sort of had a feeling that TVii would end up being more limited so I didn't put any good faith in it. I only bought a Wii U for games so it's probably why I have a hard time sympathizing with others
People discuss things from hundreds of years ago so I don't see why it's an issue to discuss this.
No. It has the capability to talk to and existing OEM TiVo's (I think it may be limited to Premieres, though maybe Gen 3 work as well?). Basically it will integrate search to include stuff on your TiVo, and will stream content from it for playback.
Actually that last part was an assumption based on comments from Nintendo/TVii. It's not entirely clear whether it will stream or simply press play/switch inputs when you select something. The prevailing wisdom is that it will do actual streaming with a TiVo ... and simply act as a remote for other DVRs
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
..no, no one is assuming that. It is absolutely not the case.
And Raistlin, I am almost positive that you cannot watch recorded TiVo programs on the GamePad, and that while it will be networked into the service to let you record things, the playing will take place exclusively between your existing TiVo box and your TV. I have never seen anything to indicate otherwise, so I'd be curious why you're expecting that.
KojiKnight
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Anyone else notice that the Youtube app is 100x worse than just using youtube in the browser?
I got video stutters in the app, and if I view channels I don't see any videos (but if I search for them they come up). It also seems to respond a lot slower.
Not sure whether the Wii U browser is just that godly, or the youtube developers just that inept (or both) but it's painful to use the app compared to just using the website.
I got video stutters in the app, and if I view channels I don't see any videos (but if I search for them they come up). It also seems to respond a lot slower.
Not sure whether the Wii U browser is just that godly, or the youtube developers just that inept (or both) but it's painful to use the app compared to just using the website.
I had no assumptions regarding the GamePad. As for the playback on the Wii U, I'd have to dig up the articles. There was an assumption out there it was going to act as a TiVo Premiere device insofar as streaming from other TiVo's.
If that is not the case, then this thing is even more useless than I'm giving it credit for with regards to HT functionality
Yep ... that seems to be the conventional wisdom. At this point, the app is worthless.
It's the latter; Youtube is profoundly inept on every platform.
It's definitely worse. The 360 YouTube app is a lot better.
It's usable on 360. Not sure about any other platform though.
Yeah, plus the picture is washed out for whatever reason. PS3 Netflix remains the superior version.
It's marginally usable on PS3 ... until it runs out of memory and crashes.
Any chance your display is calibrated for full range RGB?
Every Youtube standalone app ever made for any platform is completely awful. I still don't know why this is the case, but that's how it's been for ages now.
It's crazy, like, the stock Youtube app that came with the iPhone at the start was pretty bad and then they somehow replaced it with something worse.
The Mana Legend
Banned
No it isn't.
I was planning to buy one and had participated in other threads to that effect. Once this news came out that expressly affects my main use-case for the purchase, I responded in the thread that is specifically about my issue. In case you haven't noticed, I haven't been stinking up general Wii U threads about my dissatisfaction with the system. I've only been responding in threads specifically about issues that relate to my needs/concerns.
Apparently you haven't seen me on gaf before. Home theater is one of my main interests. And that generalizes to HT/electronics gear whether I own it or not. I stay informed and help out in related threads on gaf.
When I bumped this thread today, it wasn't to start re-trolling Nintendo for the delay and its impact on my personal use-case. New information has been gleaned from the early adopters that directly relates to the thread topic.
I'm providing information/clarifications for people looking at these features.
I don't troll when it comes to HT shit.
Yeah, I really dislike using the YouTube website itself, so to be worse than that experience says a lot. Maybe it's too much to expect an app that's close to the Android version?
Baconsammy
Banned
Netflix App is clunky but functions well. Takes forever to load. Youtube app is quite literally the absolute worst youtube app I've ever used. Awful. Fortunately youtube in the browser works better than any other console browser. Amazon app also takes forever to load and when it does it's got a nice interface, which also happens to be laggy as hell. Worst of all though is the audio the app produces is garbage. I'm sticking with the 360 for Amazon viewing until Amazon addresses the audio problems on the Wii U version.
It's just a tv over hdmi. Amazon looks fine.
mugurumakensei
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Browser youtube is awesomr. Search for next video on pad. View current video on tv.
KojiKnight
Member
You wouldn't think so... I mean literally all they have to do for the app is open a browser window to their mobile page and it would likely still have been a lot better.
EternalDarko
Member
Sauce?
Um....no
http://www.slashgear.com/nintendo-tvii-launching-december-8-in-japan-us-and-europe-in-2013-27258457/
This hack of a site is probably where you're getting your info from. Curious that these douchebags didn't change their headline to reflect this.
Anyway, this is BS until NOA says otherwise. As of right now we're on track for a December Nintendo TVii release.
Dreamwriter
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I had figured that it got delayed because the streaming video services got delayed. Now that those are working, I'd bet we get TVii whenever Nintendo is ready with our second system patch.
I heard it on the Tech News Today podcast (twit.tv)
Karsticles
Member
If I don't have a cable box, can the WiiU TV stuff do anything for me at all?
abstract alien
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If you have stuff like Netflix and Hulu, I think it pulls from there as well.