Windows 11: Let's Be Honest, There Are Big Issues, Right?

Forced updates never was a good ideia. Period.

Let the user choose if they want or not. Never let corporations to think what is best for consumers.
 
Fake said:
Forced updates never was a good ideia. Period.

Let the user choose if they want or not. Never let corporations to think what is best for consumers.
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Even less of a good idea when it's become clear Microsoft doesn't test those updates like they use to before throwing them out to the public.

Just need Valve or someone else to offer some solution to the anti-cheat issue, and Nvidia to improve Linux drivers so I can just make Linux my default instead of my dual-boot setup.
 
Fake said:
Forced updates never was a good ideia. Period.

Let the user choose if they want or not. Never let corporations to think what is best for consumers.
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I usually do updates when there is no drama around them (like right now) and then pause for 5 weeks. On pro system you can do that.
 
I've had 2 WD Black nvme drives die on me and it wasn't related to the Windows 11 update. I believe since 2021 there was a Host Memory Buffer (HMB) problem with nvme controllers that would cause them to over write data to the buffer making them overheat resulting in crashes and failures. This was fixed in a firmware update which requires the user to download specific software and flash the drives which no one did or knew about it so the company would just replace your drive without any questions and they extended warranty to 5 years.

My first 2tb WD black drive died in an ubuntu machine which never had windows on it and my second drive died in my Windows 10 media server. Both never had the firmware update and insufficient thermal management for the nvme drives.

My gaming PC is Windows 11 and has 3 WD Black nvmes inside which have the latest firmware flashed on them using the Sandisk Dashboard software. I have a good motherboard that has nvme heatsinks. No issues with the latest update. I believe most nvme manufacturers have the same problem with their controller that may have been corrected with firmware updates but that requires the user to seek it out like a bios update which is not ideal. I'm sure this windows update can be just one of the triggers to the HMB problem. I recommend everyone to update your NVME firmware using their drive's manufacturer website.
 
Housh said:
I've had 2 WD Black nvme drives die on me and it wasn't related to the Windows 11 update. I believe since 2021 there was a Host Memory Buffer (HMB) problem with nvme controllers that would cause them to over write data to the buffer making them overheat resulting in crashes and failures. This was fixed in a firmware update which requires the user to download specific software and flash the drives which no one did or knew about it so the company would just replace your drive without any questions and they extended warranty to 5 years.

My first 2tb WD black drive died in an ubuntu machine which never had windows on it and my second drive died in my Windows 10 media server. Both never had the firmware update and insufficient thermal management for the nvme drives.

My gaming PC is Windows 11 and has 3 WD Black nvmes inside which have the latest firmware flashed on them using the Sandisk Dashboard software. I have a good motherboard that has nvme heatsinks. No issues with the latest update. I believe most nvme manufacturers have the same problem with their controller that may have been corrected with firmware updates but that requires the user to seek it out like a bios update which is not ideal. I'm sure this windows update can be just one of the triggers to the HMB problem. I recommend everyone to update your NVME firmware using their drive's manufacturer website.
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Yeah, remember the recent issue where MS/Windows supposedly caused big file writes to brick SSDs? It was all over tech news (omitting the fact that the issue in most cases could be fixed by a restart btw). Turns out (according to a report I read today) it wasn't MS's fault, and now the arrows are pointing at some controllers.
 
I manage roughly 10k Windows machines with now under 100 left to upgrade to W11. At home I game on a W11 machine. Upgrading to 11 is FREE even if MS doesn't heavily advertise the fact anymore. If your machine has an unsupported CPU or lacks TPM requirements can use Rufus to upgrade bypassing those. If you're concerned about shoddy updates you can turn off updates by disabling it in services and do it manually later after the fact.
Many hardware vendors (and at least FFXIV, VERY LIKELY Steam, if not a bunch of MS GAME related devs) will end support for W10 in October when it reaches EOL. Stuff will still probably WORK for another year at least, but if\when it DOES break, they aren't going to help you. It DOES mean that they could easily turn off DX9 support at that time though which might cause you some grief on W10. So you're going to be stuck in the past on a OS already behind the times. Do whatever ya want, but you're just fighting the tide at this point.

arrested-development-gob-bluth.gif

Also if you use your home PC for MS Office stuff, they will end support for that on W10 too.
 
The person that added "Show more options" to the right-click menu needs a swift kick in the genitals.

Show me all the options at once, don't hide them behind another mouse click.
 
Krathoon said:
The person that added "Show more options" to the right-click menu needs a swift kick in the genitals.

Show me all the options at once, don't hide them behind another mouse click.
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open the terminal (not sure if you need to open it as an admin, but I'd just do it anyway),

copy/paste this:
Code: 
reg.exe add "HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32" /f /ve

open the task manager, stop explorer.exe, launch explorer.exe (or reboot the PC)

done.
 
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kevboard said:
open the terminal (not sure if you need to open it as an admin, but I'd just do it anyway),

copy/paste this:
Code: 
reg.exe add "HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32" /f /ve

open the task manager, stop explorer.exe, launch explorer.exe (or reboot the PC)

done.
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Thanks. That was the most annoying damn thing they did. Also, I have to switch off the added app security too.
 
Also, if you are using a laptop, be sure to set it to use you Nvidia GPU all the time and not the Intel GPU. Some old video games default to the Intel GPU and will not work.
 
Krathoon said:
Also, if you are using a laptop, be sure to set it to use you Nvidia GPU all the time and not the Intel GPU. Some old video games default to the Intel GPU and will not work.
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that was always an issue on laptops, for as long as iGPUs existed. they always used some annoying "auto detection" that would of course detect wrongly half the time lol
 
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kevboard said:
that's entirely unrelated to the original conversation.

you said you're glad you have the LTSC version and not Professional, because you don't want to be a beta tester.

I said Professional doesn't force updates.

...and that's where we are. it doesn't force updates.
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Professional also forces some updates on users. On some updates, I've turned off my pc without installing update just to have it installed when the pc turned on. When installing some programs or drivers that require an restart after installing and doesn't have the option to postpone, updates also install automatically.

Like I said, it isn't coherent on it's own logic, and sometimes some users with some setups and from some regions can be pushed the way you maybe isn't.
 
Krathoon said:
Also, if you are using a laptop, be sure to set it to use you Nvidia GPU all the time and not the Intel GPU. Some old video games default to the Intel GPU and will not work.
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You can manually set those apps to always run with your dedicated GPU. I don't recommend to use the dedicated GPU all the time due to the increased usage of battery and, depending on your GPU, increased heat.
 
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ReBurn said:
At least until Windows turns it back on without telling you, anyway.
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It isn't going to do that unless you manually applied an update. Feature updates often count as a kind of installing the OS on top of itself thing that resets a lot of things. Kinda like how iOS wants to ask you to re-opt in to like 20 things every major update.

**Edit, this also happens in W10 anyhow. (Though I guess if you have the Oct update it won't after lol)
 
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Valonquar said:
It isn't going to do that unless you manually applied an update. Feature updates often count as a kind of installing the OS on top of itself thing that resets a lot of things. Kinda like how iOS wants to ask you to re-opt in to like 20 things every major update.

**Edit, this also happens in W10 anyhow. (Though I guess if you have the Oct update it won't after lol)
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Eh....installing a feature isn't reinstalling the operating system so Windows should be smart enough to keep track of whether updates are "manual" or not. Windows is constantly bugging me to reset defaults like search and browser so this is obviously all by design.
 
Valonquar said:
Yeah but there ARE ways to prevent all of them. Every major OS does what you're complaining about is my point.
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What other operating systems automatically turn automatic updates back on? Linux doesn't do automatic updates in the first place. Mac doesn't turn automatic updates back on. Windows 10 and Windows 11 are the only ones I'm aware of.
 
My job just started the rollout for Windows 11 since they know support for 10 is ending next month.

Also I realized when starting up Cronos that HDR is locked. Do I need Windows 11 to have the HDR features enabled? I think it showed a point in the nvidia app that Windows 11 is required in order to run the RTX HDR (I believe it was that). Not sure about Windows HDR. That's enabled but still locked out.
 
Celcius said:


tl;dr - He updated his bios to a newer one and the issue stopped happening for him
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what I am wondering is, how many of windows' issues are actually due to Microsoft's lack of testing, and how many of the issues are down to hardware vendors going against Windows standards.

it's like with the blue screens... if your Windows blue screens, it's not because of Windows fucking up (usually), it is 99% of the time a piece of third party software trying to write into a part of your memory it is not allowed to, at which point Windows goes into panic mode and shuts down to prevent bigger issues from happening. but people always blame Windows, when it was Windows that at times probably saved their data and file integrity etc.

so if Microsoft pushes an update that works as long as every hardware vendor adheres to the standards Windows requires, it's not really Microsoft's fault. but this is also why Microsoft should make auto updates an opt-in in all Windows versions.
 
kevboard said:
what I am wondering is, how many of windows' issues are actually due to Microsoft's lack of testing, and how many of the issues are down to hardware vendors going against Windows standards.

it's like with the blue screens... if your Windows blue screens, it's not because of Windows fucking up (usually), it is 99% of the time a piece of third party software trying to write into a part of your memory it is not allowed to, at which point Windows goes into panic mode and shuts down to prevent bigger issues from happening. but people always blame Windows, when it was Windows that at times probably saved their data and file integrity etc.

so if Microsoft pushes an update that works as long as every hardware vendor adheres to the standards Windows requires, it's not really Microsoft's fault. but this is also why Microsoft should make auto updates an opt-in in all Windows versions.
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Little of column a, little of column b. There are way too many different models of things that could possibly be plugged into PC's for any OS vendor to test them all. The best they can do is try to ensure that they don't break their published integration specs when they release an update, which they don't always do well. It's not a problem unique to Windows, but when Microsoft craps the bed with Windows more people feel it than when it happens with something like a Linux update.

Hardware and peripheral vendors should be making sure that they're testing their products with the pre-release versions of operating system changes, but most of them do a terrible job of it. They just wait for stuff to start breaking and then decide if they're going to fix it or tell people they need to buy a newer version of the thing. And sometimes the thing does break the OS. BIOS upgrades may be incompatible in some ways with OS or peripheral drivers. It's amazing to me that so much continues to work after any part of the mix gets updated.

If we're being honest I expect my shit to break when I install a Linux update. I always have because a lot of device manufacturers don't prioritize drivers for a Linux as high as they do Windows. Sometimes some distros screw up interaction with the kernel. It's the price you pay when you decide to use open source stuff. I get really ticked off when my stuff doesn't work on Windows because I paid more to use it, so I expect all of the players to keep their stuff from breaking.
 
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nkarafo said:
I'll stick to Windows 10 until apps and games stop supporting it. So that's what, 5 more years? I don't care about Microsoft supporting it.

I did the same with Windows 98SE and skipped Millennium and the early days of Windows XP.

Did the same with Windows XP and skipped Vista and the early days of Windows 7.

Did the same with Windows 7 and skipped Windows 8 and the early days of Windows 10.

I never had to beta test their shit. Always upgraded to good, stable stuff. So i'll do the same and upgrade midway through Windows 12. Because sticking with what works has worked great for me for decades.
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can't use HDR though on 10 right? or any of the new features of the AMD chipsets etc right?
 
Anyone know of a group expecting to service a Windows 10 "Black Edition" or some such OS? On this machine I'm very risk tolerant. Gaming and light browsing. I hate having to once again choose between my dignity and a release stream of constantly diminishing quality.
 
simpatico said:
Anyone know of a group expecting to service a Windows 10 "Black Edition" or some such OS? On this machine I'm very risk tolerant. Gaming and light browsing. I hate having to once again choose between my dignity and a release stream of constantly diminishing quality.
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Just get Windows 11 LTSC.
 

Microsoft Breaks Localhost with Windows 11 October Update, Users Forced to Revert

Just two days after Windows 10 reached its end of life, issues with Microsoft's latest Windows 11 October update have begun to surface. Users on Microsoft Support Forums, Stack Overflow, and Server Fault have reported that the localhost functionality in Windows 11 is now broken. This problem is affecting millions of web developers who are unable to run their applications on their own PCs. The update, KB5066835, focuses on security and enhances the September-issued KB5065789 package with additional quality improvements. However, it disrupts the localhost function, a virtual hostname that allows a PC to serve as its own server. This feature is commonly used by local developers to test websites or fully developed web apps. The disruption has significantly impacted developers, including those using Windows 11 on their local servers or workstations for production purposes.

The hard-working bees in the Microsoft hive are yet to confirm the issue, while the community has managed to solve the issue by simply deleting the October KB5066835 package, alongside its September KB5065789 sibling, if the first package uninstall doesn't work. Software engineers have reported connection failures and HTTP/2 protocol issues impacting various development tools, including ASP.NET compilation processes and Visual Studio debugging functionality. Investigation has revealed that the problem originated in build version 26100.6899, with the root cause identified in HTTP.sys—a kernel-level Windows component responsible for managing HTTP traffic on local systems.
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This issue stack for Microsoft's latest Windows 11 keeps piling up. On Monday, Microsoft accidentally broke the Windows Media Creation Tool (MCT) just a day ahead of Windows 10's end-of-life. Last week, the company started mandating Online Accounts for Windows 11 installations, which are getting increasingly impossible to bypass. We need to see if this changes, and the constant influx of broken functionality drives users away from the Windows OS, or they are stuck with it for good.
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Another week, another update that breaks Windows 11. Good job Microsoft....

leonardo dicaprio bravo GIF
 
Astray said:
3 products have held us back too long:

- Windows.
- Office.
- Adobe Creative Suite.

1 is almost down imo because its only real consumer use is because of 2 and 3, we have 2 more shitty products to go.

The day these 3 products fuck off entirely or get replaced by something better, the entire world will experience mass jubilation the likes of which you've never seen.
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Adobe CC has better alternatives on Mac (sometimes the Mac experience can be superior) but on Linux you are out of luck. Like Davinci Resolve and Nuke do have lnux versions. And some DAWs like Bitwig and Reaper support Linux, and Studio One has Linux support in Beta. But there no good alternatives to Photoshop/Affinity Photo/Corel Paintshop or Illustrator/Affinity Designer/CorelDraw or Sketch for Mac/Axure RP or a decent desktop publishing software. Good Lightroom alternatives like Capture One and ON1 are not on Linux. Capture One devs even put on a statement that there won't be a Linux version
Many of the animation softwares like Clip Studio Paint are only on Windows. But Studio Ghibli's OpenToonz is.
Drawing softwares that mimic real life painting like Corel Painter or Rebelle are not on Linux.
Also, I don't know why Corel loves to suck on Microsoft not even release macOS version of their products.

What you completely missed out on was CAD/CAM softwares. They are not only absent from Linux, they even avoid macOS. Its not just Autodesk, Dassault's softwares like Solidworks or Catia are not on macOS or Linux. Windows has a monopoly on these softwares.
 
Bernkastel said:
Adobe CC has better alternatives on Mac (sometimes the Mac experience can be superior) but on Linux you are out of luck. Like Davinci Resolve and Nuke do have lnux versions. And some DAWs like Bitwig and Reaper support Linux, and Studio One has Linux support in Beta. But there no good alternatives to Photoshop/Affinity Photo/Corel Paintshop or Illustrator/Affinity Designer/CorelDraw or Sketch for Mac/Axure RP or a decent desktop publishing software. Good Lightroom alternatives like Capture One and ON1 are not on Linux. Capture One devs even put on a statement that there won't be a Linux version
Many of the animation softwares like Clip Studio Paint are only on Windows. But Studio Ghibli's OpenToonz is.
Drawing softwares that mimic real life painting like Corel Painter or Rebelle are not on Linux.
Also, I don't know why Corel loves to suck on Microsoft not even release macOS version of their products.

What you completely missed out on was CAD/CAM softwares. They are not only absent from Linux, they even avoid macOS. Its not just Autodesk, Dassault's softwares like Solidworks or Catia are not on macOS or Linux. Windows has a monopoly on these softwares.
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I had experience with AutoCAD during college.. Wasn't the most amazing software to use. But it did the job at the time lol.
 
I thought this was funny and interesting. Funny on how the operating system can reveal bugs in the game code. R* fixed the game code for the og xbox release, but didn't fold that into the pc release.



cookieplmonster.github.io

How a 20 year old bug in GTA San Andreas surfaced in Windows 11 24H2

After over two decades, players are now forbidden from flying a seaplane, all thanks to undefined code behavior.
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devblogs.microsoft.com

Why is Windows still tinkering with critical sections? - The Old New Thing

The critical section may be an old dog, but it's still learning new tricks.
devblogs.microsoft.com devblogs.microsoft.com
 
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I wish Microsoft didn't break games. I'm seriously contemplating to just disable updates at this point on my gaming PC.

Don't care about the AI stuff.
 
Ok so i did the TSforge method thing. This supposedly gives me 3 more years of security updates.

Not that i personally care as much about such updates but some people insist i should so now i don't have to think about it or being paranoid.

That's 3 more years of not having to think about using Windows 11.

Awesome.
 
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