Windows 11: Let's Be Honest, There Are Big Issues, Right?
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Durin
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Even less of a good idea when it's become clear Microsoft doesn't test those updates like they use to before throwing them out to the public.
Just need Valve or someone else to offer some solution to the anti-cheat issue, and Nvidia to improve Linux drivers so I can just make Linux my default instead of my dual-boot setup.
Bojji
Gold Member
I usually do updates when there is no drama around them (like right now) and then pause for 5 weeks. On pro system you can do that.
Housh
Member
I've had 2 WD Black nvme drives die on me and it wasn't related to the Windows 11 update. I believe since 2021 there was a Host Memory Buffer (HMB) problem with nvme controllers that would cause them to over write data to the buffer making them overheat resulting in crashes and failures. This was fixed in a firmware update which requires the user to download specific software and flash the drives which no one did or knew about it so the company would just replace your drive without any questions and they extended warranty to 5 years.
My first 2tb WD black drive died in an ubuntu machine which never had windows on it and my second drive died in my Windows 10 media server. Both never had the firmware update and insufficient thermal management for the nvme drives.
My gaming PC is Windows 11 and has 3 WD Black nvmes inside which have the latest firmware flashed on them using the Sandisk Dashboard software. I have a good motherboard that has nvme heatsinks. No issues with the latest update. I believe most nvme manufacturers have the same problem with their controller that may have been corrected with firmware updates but that requires the user to seek it out like a bios update which is not ideal. I'm sure this windows update can be just one of the triggers to the HMB problem. I recommend everyone to update your NVME firmware using their drive's manufacturer website.
My first 2tb WD black drive died in an ubuntu machine which never had windows on it and my second drive died in my Windows 10 media server. Both never had the firmware update and insufficient thermal management for the nvme drives.
My gaming PC is Windows 11 and has 3 WD Black nvmes inside which have the latest firmware flashed on them using the Sandisk Dashboard software. I have a good motherboard that has nvme heatsinks. No issues with the latest update. I believe most nvme manufacturers have the same problem with their controller that may have been corrected with firmware updates but that requires the user to seek it out like a bios update which is not ideal. I'm sure this windows update can be just one of the triggers to the HMB problem. I recommend everyone to update your NVME firmware using their drive's manufacturer website.
nemiroff
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Yeah, remember the recent issue where MS/Windows supposedly caused big file writes to brick SSDs? It was all over tech news (omitting the fact that the issue in most cases could be fixed by a restart btw). Turns out (according to a report I read today) it wasn't MS's fault, and now the arrows are pointing at some controllers.
TigerKnee
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I mean, I don't have any problems any different than previous versions of Windows so...
Valonquar
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I manage roughly 10k Windows machines with now under 100 left to upgrade to W11. At home I game on a W11 machine. Upgrading to 11 is FREE even if MS doesn't heavily advertise the fact anymore. If your machine has an unsupported CPU or lacks TPM requirements can use Rufus to upgrade bypassing those. If you're concerned about shoddy updates you can turn off updates by disabling it in services and do it manually later after the fact.
Many hardware vendors (and at least FFXIV, VERY LIKELY Steam, if not a bunch of MS GAME related devs) will end support for W10 in October when it reaches EOL. Stuff will still probably WORK for another year at least, but if\when it DOES break, they aren't going to help you. It DOES mean that they could easily turn off DX9 support at that time though which might cause you some grief on W10. So you're going to be stuck in the past on a OS already behind the times. Do whatever ya want, but you're just fighting the tide at this point.
Also if you use your home PC for MS Office stuff, they will end support for that on W10 too.
Many hardware vendors (and at least FFXIV, VERY LIKELY Steam, if not a bunch of MS GAME related devs) will end support for W10 in October when it reaches EOL. Stuff will still probably WORK for another year at least, but if\when it DOES break, they aren't going to help you. It DOES mean that they could easily turn off DX9 support at that time though which might cause you some grief on W10. So you're going to be stuck in the past on a OS already behind the times. Do whatever ya want, but you're just fighting the tide at this point.
Also if you use your home PC for MS Office stuff, they will end support for that on W10 too.
ReBurn
Gold Member
At least until Windows turns it back on without telling you, anyway.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.001
Every time I see windows it always looks the same, you might see the windows button in a different corner of the screen
kevboard
Member
open the terminal (not sure if you need to open it as an admin, but I'd just do it anyway),
copy/paste this:
Code:
reg.exe add "HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32" /f /veopen the task manager, stop explorer.exe, launch explorer.exe (or reboot the PC)
done.
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Krathoon
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Thanks. That was the most annoying damn thing they did. Also, I have to switch off the added app security too.
kevboard
Member
that was always an issue on laptops, for as long as iGPUs existed. they always used some annoying "auto detection" that would of course detect wrongly half the time lol
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marquimvfs
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Professional also forces some updates on users. On some updates, I've turned off my pc without installing update just to have it installed when the pc turned on. When installing some programs or drivers that require an restart after installing and doesn't have the option to postpone, updates also install automatically.
Like I said, it isn't coherent on it's own logic, and sometimes some users with some setups and from some regions can be pushed the way you maybe isn't.
marquimvfs
Member
You can manually set those apps to always run with your dedicated GPU. I don't recommend to use the dedicated GPU all the time due to the increased usage of battery and, depending on your GPU, increased heat.
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Valonquar
Member
It isn't going to do that unless you manually applied an update. Feature updates often count as a kind of installing the OS on top of itself thing that resets a lot of things. Kinda like how iOS wants to ask you to re-opt in to like 20 things every major update.
**Edit, this also happens in W10 anyhow. (Though I guess if you have the Oct update it won't after lol)
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Topher
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Eh....installing a feature isn't reinstalling the operating system so Windows should be smart enough to keep track of whether updates are "manual" or not. Windows is constantly bugging me to reset defaults like search and browser so this is obviously all by design.
Topher
Identifies as young
What other operating systems automatically turn automatic updates back on? Linux doesn't do automatic updates in the first place. Mac doesn't turn automatic updates back on. Windows 10 and Windows 11 are the only ones I'm aware of.
saintjules
Gold Member
My job just started the rollout for Windows 11 since they know support for 10 is ending next month.
Also I realized when starting up Cronos that HDR is locked. Do I need Windows 11 to have the HDR features enabled? I think it showed a point in the nvidia app that Windows 11 is required in order to run the RTX HDR (I believe it was that). Not sure about Windows HDR. That's enabled but still locked out.
Also I realized when starting up Cronos that HDR is locked. Do I need Windows 11 to have the HDR features enabled? I think it showed a point in the nvidia app that Windows 11 is required in order to run the RTX HDR (I believe it was that). Not sure about Windows HDR. That's enabled but still locked out.
kevboard
Member
what I am wondering is, how many of windows' issues are actually due to Microsoft's lack of testing, and how many of the issues are down to hardware vendors going against Windows standards.
it's like with the blue screens... if your Windows blue screens, it's not because of Windows fucking up (usually), it is 99% of the time a piece of third party software trying to write into a part of your memory it is not allowed to, at which point Windows goes into panic mode and shuts down to prevent bigger issues from happening. but people always blame Windows, when it was Windows that at times probably saved their data and file integrity etc.
so if Microsoft pushes an update that works as long as every hardware vendor adheres to the standards Windows requires, it's not really Microsoft's fault. but this is also why Microsoft should make auto updates an opt-in in all Windows versions.
ReBurn
Gold Member
Little of column a, little of column b. There are way too many different models of things that could possibly be plugged into PC's for any OS vendor to test them all. The best they can do is try to ensure that they don't break their published integration specs when they release an update, which they don't always do well. It's not a problem unique to Windows, but when Microsoft craps the bed with Windows more people feel it than when it happens with something like a Linux update.
Hardware and peripheral vendors should be making sure that they're testing their products with the pre-release versions of operating system changes, but most of them do a terrible job of it. They just wait for stuff to start breaking and then decide if they're going to fix it or tell people they need to buy a newer version of the thing. And sometimes the thing does break the OS. BIOS upgrades may be incompatible in some ways with OS or peripheral drivers. It's amazing to me that so much continues to work after any part of the mix gets updated.
If we're being honest I expect my shit to break when I install a Linux update. I always have because a lot of device manufacturers don't prioritize drivers for a Linux as high as they do Windows. Sometimes some distros screw up interaction with the kernel. It's the price you pay when you decide to use open source stuff. I get really ticked off when my stuff doesn't work on Windows because I paid more to use it, so I expect all of the players to keep their stuff from breaking.
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Dorfdad
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can't use HDR though on 10 right? or any of the new features of the AMD chipsets etc right?
nkarafo
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I don"t have a TV or monittor expensive enough no not make HDR look like a washed out mess.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
You can. Only auto HDR is exclusive to 11.
Dorfdad
Gold Member
Ahh that's good to know does the amd chipset and all the features of said chipset and cpus work 100% or do you lose some features / optimization since windows 10 didn't know those existed
winjer
Member
Just get Windows 11 LTSC.