yeah but you don't have to go to the control panel, that is why i was complaining. (they have no idea what they were doing like i said)
Windows 8 Release Preview
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No, replacing a universal index of everything in your system and forcing users to pre-filter or discard certain elements is moronic. Why the fuck do I have to press so many stupid buttons before I can find what I need? Shit design imposed on the user.
Those guys know very well what they are doing.
And again, the fact that dual-monitor users get a massive FUCK YOU from MS is just insulting.
i agree that they need a universal index, but their complaint was that there was no way to search for settings/files through the new search which isn't the case. And i use Dual Monitors, since the RP the corner UIs work fine.
Well, you can use one wallpaper for 2 moniters now.... 1 step forward and all that...
That video is almost not terrible.
Complaint about restarting taking "19 clicks" (obvious exaggeration) is a bit stupid, since Windows 7 and 8 actually involve the same amount of clicks to restart. Windows 8 probably does take longer anyhow, but its hardly significant.
Do agree with plenty though, like having an ad in the weather app. Seriously?
Complaint about restarting taking "19 clicks" (obvious exaggeration) is a bit stupid, since Windows 7 and 8 actually involve the same amount of clicks to restart. Windows 8 probably does take longer anyhow, but its hardly significant.
Do agree with plenty though, like having an ad in the weather app. Seriously?
yn-neko hates a cat
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Contracts is one of Windows 8 killer features but it's such a different (obviously better whilst but different) way of looking at search that it will take some people some getting used to. I'm still discovering things about it from a user and developer perspective.
I'm sure that's right. But once again, they have not researched anything. They just started using the system and are learning on the job.
When you remove the close-button or divide the search function over multiple screens, people that are used to Windows 7 aren't exactly going to smell where to go and what to do, unless you make it really intuitive or superobvious where you need to go and what to do.
So sure, they did it "wrong" but it's debatable wether that's their fault or the system's.
When you remove the close-button or divide the search function over multiple screens, people that are used to Windows 7 aren't exactly going to smell where to go and what to do, unless you make it really intuitive or superobvious where you need to go and what to do.
So sure, they did it "wrong" but it's debatable wether that's their fault or the system's.
i agree that somethings will have to be relearned and people with 15 years of experience of doing things one way will have a harder time than people coming from a clean slate, but that complaint was laughable. (honestly, most people that use Windows have no idea there is a search function).
One more thing about the universal search dealie:
I have a habit of creating shortcut files to applications that I use very often, but which I don't want to hunt down across Start menu, stick to the desktop or pin to the taskbar. A good example - Total Commander. So here is what I did since Windows XP:
- Create a shortcut to the application executable and give it a short title. I still use wc.lnk (historic reasons, Total Commander was Windows Commander once upon a time).
- Copy the .lnk file to the Windows folder.
- Open the Start menu - one click/press of a key.
- Type in wc - two key presses.
- Press enter - one key press.
- The application loads.
With Windows XP, I also had to press the R key after opening the menu, but that was no bother.
My question is: how does this work in Win8? I have erased all of my virtual installations of Win8 previews so I cannot check myself. Does the Metro search field still look in the Windows folder? Does it recognize shortcut files?
And I cannot really understand the last thing you said. My problem with the preview builds was that in order to open the charms menu (I guess it was called that) using the mouse meant some really hardcore pixel hunting. I run a dual-screen setup (side-by-side, 1-2) at a relatively high resolution, so hitting that specific area where the first screen meets the second one feels almost impossible.
You wouldn't need to create a shortcut, just search for the application. (just like in vista and 7). So if you wanted to find total commander, just type in "To" that should be enough to find it. if not, type a few more letters. (so windows key, "TO" enter) And about the multi-monitors in the Release Preview they added a small pixel area at the corners where when your mouse gets close enough it locks the mouse in place, so you don't have to be as precise as before (you can open the startscreen and side bars on any monitor since the RP as well, still not perfect but MUCH better than the earlier versions) http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/21/enhancing-windows-8-for-multiple-monitors.aspx
MutantCamel
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Didn't know that Desktop mode uses XFCE now...
Hmm. This means that the system still indexes everything. Imagine an application that I simply download and extract into a location of my own preference. Maybe the application executable does not mean anything on its own or is too convoluted to fully type into the search box. I used wc.lnk for Total Commander, because I did not want the application to be accessible to all the users of the PC (Total Commander is an advanced piece of software, you can do a lot of harm with it if you don't know what files are what). In a similar manner, I used ff.lnk for Firefox when my real estate on-screen was really limited and I needed to maximize the working area. I wonder how all of that works in Win8, because right now the primary search function apparently only spans the items that are stored on the (non-visible) start menu.
But that snap-to mouse function sounds fancy. I wonder how I overlooked that in the release preview version (could've been virtual machine shenanigans though).
Well I've got a 4670 and it turns out it does have drivers for it, but I feel that I might as well make the switch since AMD thinks its old.
My external USB drive is in my video library.
The internet doesn't disappoint. They have the time to make a 20 minute video complaining but don't spend five minutes learning how to use it.
Is there a dedicated desktop games section in the metro interface? In Vista and 7, installed games are registered to the Games Explorer, which Microsoft has apparently done away with. So is there a interface similar to that in Metro, dedicated to only launch desktop games?
Also, what about GFWL titles? In Vista and 7, you are required to have Games for Windows Marketplace client installed on your computer in order to download Live games. Has that changed in 8, seeing that now both Solitaire and Minesweeper are Live games, but don't appear to require the client? Will I be able to download and play other Live games such as SSF4AE on my account without having to install the client?
Also, what about GFWL titles? In Vista and 7, you are required to have Games for Windows Marketplace client installed on your computer in order to download Live games. Has that changed in 8, seeing that now both Solitaire and Minesweeper are Live games, but don't appear to require the client? Will I be able to download and play other Live games such as SSF4AE on my account without having to install the client?
Complex Shadow
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Get nvidia. Doo it.
I always thought people just know windows. Isn't that's why is so popular. Because as soon as someone pays for a windows key they insta learn everything. I mean as soon as I buy coffe I learn that it's hot as soon as I hold it. AMIRIGHT?
brotkasten
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Games for Windows Live is dead. Windows 8 has Xbox Live, which is basically your games hub and a different client than GFWL, but with similar functionality. So if you have GFWL games, you're still required to install the GFWL client. Xbox Live games for Windows will only be distributed on the Windows Store.
But the 4670 is old. Like a 470.
I'm still on the Consumer Preview, but I've been having issues with my AMD Radeon 4800 series. Games like DOTA 2 and most others work completely fine, but games that require OpenGL just refuse to work. It's games like Cave Story, PixelJunk Eden etc that refuse to work -- games that otherwise should.
I've got the latest drivers but it just hates Windows 8.
I've got the latest drivers but it just hates Windows 8.
Complex Shadow
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From what I've seen so far. It seems like a waiting game for amd customers. I have installed W8 yet so I cant confirm for nvidia.
12.8 just released today, WHQL for W8.
brotkasten
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You're using an old beta build of an OS that isn't even out yet, with a GPU that isn't supported with regular drivers by the manufacturer anymore.
Good luck.
Complex Shadow
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12 what? WHQL what?
dude your going a mile a minute for me. gonna have to dumb it down a bit,
i am super tired atm.
brotkasten
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Firefox Metro status update:
And the reason why this non-existent version of Firefox is already superior to IE10:
I'm not sure if you're serious or not.
He's talking about the Catalyst 12.8 GPU driver for AMD cards.
Release notes: http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/AMDCatalystSoftwareSuiteVersion128ReleaseNotes.aspx
Updates of Solitaire, Mahjong and Minesweeper reveal Windows Phone versions with cross-platform cloud save compatibility.
http://www.brianbondy.com/blog/id/1...crash-reporting-pdfs-and-more-status-update-6
And the reason why this non-existent version of Firefox is already superior to IE10:
Love it.
I'm not sure if you're serious or not.
He's talking about the Catalyst 12.8 GPU driver for AMD cards.
Release notes: http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/AMDCatalystSoftwareSuiteVersion128ReleaseNotes.aspx
Updates of Solitaire, Mahjong and Minesweeper reveal Windows Phone versions with cross-platform cloud save compatibility.
Complex Shadow
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gimmie a break man i don't even own an amd card T_T
plus ive been awake so long ive seen night turn to day.
brotkasten
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Maybe you should get some bagged milk.
Jzero
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The 'masses' will probably be disappointed because everyone hates change.
chickdigger802
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Uh. Can you uninstall metro apps with the delete key?
I don't see foresee many people buying/using metro apps over regular win32 apps on traditional computers.
So the Verge just did an incredibly positive writeup about win8:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/16/3246185/this-is-my-next-windows-8
http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/16/3246185/this-is-my-next-windows-8
StudioTan
Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
If you're as tech savvy as you say you'll be zipping around the OS in no time. It seems like the "power users" are the one complaining the most about having to learn something new. As for the less tech savvy people this will be an easier OS to use.
It's one extra click for search and it was split up because you can search within apps now, for example Wikipedia, email, Ebay etc.
Dual monitor support was much improved in Windows 8.
There will probably be a lot of people playing metro games though. Most apps won't really be that useful on a traditional computer where you could just use a web browser, unless they are using more advanced functionality like notifications and what not.
yn-neko hates a cat
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Remember the controversy a few months ago about Windows RT not being able to run other browsers... is that still the case?
It's probably not a popular practice but I'm fine with and use IE but I like choice nonetheless.
yn-neko hates a cat
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He's talking about the Catalyst 12.8 GPU driver for AMD cards.
Release notes: http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/AMDCatalystSoftwareSuiteVersion128ReleaseNotes.aspx
Missed opportunity is the ability to get driver updates via windows store though I'm hoping class drivers will somehow make windows update slicker.
It can run other browsers it just can't install non-metro apps, so no other browsers work as of now (As far as I know).
I disagree. Kind of.
I don't see advanced users using a lot of metro apps. People who always have multiple programs open, who browse the web with tons of tabs, who use apps that can't be done in metro (yet).
However, I think there are lots of users who will benefit from metro. The average windows user barely know what they are doing. Having a safe and obvious environment to find and install applications will be great for them. They rarely, if ever, will have to leave the metro part.
However I don't disagree about the buying part. I don't think a lot of people will associate their credit cards with their accounts and obviously there won't be any operator billing.
Microsoft should stealth-subsidize all new Win 8 devices (esp Surface/Windows RT devices) with a lot of store credit (I'm thinking 100$). Get people to use metro apps and attract developers.
Jzero
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I don't think you will unless microsoft adds it to the app store.
RukusProvider
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How is nvidia driver stability on Win8?
If it stops me from playing Dota 2, I'll kill everyone who replies with "good."
If it stops me from playing Dota 2, I'll kill everyone who replies with "good."
brotkasten
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RT allows other browsers as much as iOS does. They'll have to use IE's rendering engine, but can wrap it in their own skin with new functionality and other gimmicks.
yn-neko hates a cat
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I wonder how the EU will take that...
Complex Shadow
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oh yea? well...maybe you...shouldn't?
.... fuck.
so for those who have windows 8 RTM how is metro vs desktop on PC so far? is the performance difference noticeable to the point where you wouldn't go back even if you hated metro? (assuming you already don't) is metro in the way at all or does it actually improve the experience at all?
LukasTaves
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Firefox Metro status update:
http://www.brianbondy.com/blog/id/1...crash-reporting-pdfs-and-more-status-update-6
And the reason why this non-existent version of Firefox is already superior to IE10:
Love it.
I'm not sure if you're serious or not.
He's talking about the Catalyst 12.8 GPU driver for AMD cards.
Release notes: http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/AMDCatalystSoftwareSuiteVersion128ReleaseNotes.aspx
Updates of Solitaire, Mahjong and Minesweeper reveal Windows Phone versions with cross-platform cloud save compatibility.
Ow, Ms will allow add ons in browsers? Sweet.
i think either the us or eu are already looking into it because of compliants from mozilla etc.. It wont go anywhere though since microsoft does not have a monopoly on ARM chips. On x86/x64 machines Microsoft allows for different Browser engines in Metro because of the AntiTrust issues, but on ARM chipsets which run RT they are as stingy as Apple.
infinityBCRT
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Actually I think RT is better than iOS because it lets you set third party browsers as the default. The only thing that third party browser makers have been complaining about is that they can't make a Desktop browser on RT. I also don't think they are stuck on IE's rendering engine, but there are probably speed benefits by doing so.
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