ByWatterson
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This, frankly, is the most publisher-sounding thing they've said so far.
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Windows Central - Sarah Bond has set up a new team dedicated to game preservation and forward compatibility
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
New UI?
adaptive triggers?
VR?
Portal?
Returnal? (higher budget rougelite)
Helldivers 2? (Monetization scheme)
push for different modes quality/performance?
Those are examples of innovation.
uh?
I'm saying that if hardware desing is constrained to past software just because in needs to be backwards compatible. is harder to be innovative
i. e.
Xbox series UI is basically the same as Xbox One UI.
Series S acting as an anchor to the serie X.
and with current Xbox's situation they don't have an incentive to be innovative. (hardware drives innovation)
So. is not that Backwards compatibility stops innovation. is that Xbox is.... shit....im soowrry.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Excellent! Still happy I picked Series X over PS5 this gen, and this further cements that. No regrets! Now, back to Witcher 3 next-gen til TTYD remake come out… peace! 
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Badlucktroll
Member
Maybe they will just create some kind of layer where the xbox games just run on playstation without having to port
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Is this the leak you're talking about?Almost like a certain leak was 100% accurate after all...
In any case, it's good to see that MS still cares about BC and game preservation as that was the primary reason I got the XSX.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
1. Stopped production, also has better alternatives
2. Can be done on any android / iOS device already
3.4.5 Things that have been done by games before this gen
These aren't exactly innovations, more like iterations.
Emulation doesn't need future hardware to be designed around older generations. Xbox One / Series are AMD GPUs which very successfully emulate Nvidia layers from the OG Xbox.
The UI was entirely updated last year, they also got the new UI on Xbox One for parity.
The PS5 UI is different from PS4 but it still lacks basic features like making folders that the PS4 UI had.
Not sure if this is a positive.
You should lead with your personal feelings more often so people can understand.
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ChorizoPicozo
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Innovation is not guarantee of success.
Those alternatives are not being made by PS
Those are not made by PS
not by Starfield or hellblade 2 for example.
is Game Pass innovation or iteration?
is Xbox's backward compatibility innovation or iteration?
IF
innovation is not positive or negative perse. it means something new.
no personal feelings, more like an observation of the current situation.You should lead with your personal feelings more often so people can understand.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
That is not innovation.
That is not innovation.
That is still not innovation.
No one called them innovations, they're just better alternatives of similar services offered elsewhere.
Thank you for contradicting your own earlier bullet points.
BacklashWave534
Member
Nintendo has also set up a team with the goal of punishing you if you try to obtain games that are no longer in circulation and determining how they can resell you the same set of games each console generation.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
thanks for following the conversation.
OverHeat
« generous god »
Oh you big tease!
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
thanks for following the conversation.
For future reference, things that are already available aren't innovations and it's better if you lead with more-than-3 word posts that kick off a false premise
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
OverHeat
« generous god »
Stop playing with your Xbox in your pocket
you make me hard lol
ChorizoPicozo
Member
I didn't state a false premise, buddy. follow the conversation.For future reference, things that are already available aren't innovations and it's better if you lead with more-than-3 word posts that kick off a false premise
Bumblebeetuna
Member
TIL things like VR in 2024, a roguelike shooter, and playing games on a mobile screen are all innovative. Way to literally prove the posters point 
MisterXDTV
Member
Well compatibility is very important if you have to port games to other consoles
Well done
Well done
Bumblebeetuna
Member
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
2026 seems like a good enough 6 year generational split.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
MacReady13
Member
Doesn’t mean it’s sold more on Xbox. Fuck they’re sneaky with how they frame things…
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yes, she very deliberately says it's since adding the game to game pass. It's not sneaky when they're telling you the exact thing.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Who is trying to be sneaky by not including the entire statement?
- Additionally, it was revealed that Xbox has become Diablo 4's biggest platform, since the game's inclusion into Xbox Game Pass.
MisterXDTV
Member
Topher
Identifies as young
Except that isn't what the quote says: "and Xbox has quickly become the #1 platform for D4 players". More than likely that means Game Pass has more active users than other platforms which makes sense since it is new to Game Pass. I seriously doubt we are talking about D4 player count peaking on Game Pass.
cash_longfellow
Member
And Sony systems.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
The quote from her is actually
we launched Diablo IV into Game Pass and Xbox has quickly become the #1 platform for D4 players
Topher
Identifies as young
Right. I quoted the part being discussed. The meaning behind it is fuzzy regardless.
yeah most people already done and moved on long before, from what i see. game becomes a borefest ultra fast.
dont see anything special about the statement. just another "duh" xbox pr bullshit.
NeverYouMind
Member
This means nothing to me. All I want to hear is "We are restarting BC program. Here is the first batch... Stay tuned for more updates."
Topher
Identifies as young
Yeah, I put in over 80 hours last year and so I'm done with the game. SteamDB shows the game peaking there at around 6k over the last 24 hours vs 28k four months ago.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I would not be surprised, it's currently the third most popular game on GP behind Minecraft and Rainbow Six Siege, two extremely-long mainstays at the top of these charts.
Putting it on GP has definitely introduced the game to more than a few million folks.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
If Xbox hardware ever totally folds (sad day
) I would be fine with that.
gaming_again
Member
So... Jet Set Radio Future?
Badlucktroll
Member
I for one want Silent Hill 4: The Room for OG Xbox
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
I also have no idea how it could be done. The only assumption that would be feasible would be that you acquired the digital license from your (for example) XSX with disk and could play on the new Xbox or even on PC or other platforms capable of BC.
Or simply that a removable or independent disk reader be sold for that type of case.
How compatible is it to use ARM with the goal of achieving the "greatest generational leap"?
I am clear that the future use of specific hardware for ML and AI is going to have great importance in that purpose, but I don't know if there is something we don't know or it is only part of the equation
"Greatest generational leap" doesn't just have to mean more power. Even right now, I'd argue power is not the limiting factor for Series X or PS5 (maybe for Series S tho it is). It's bloat increase of game budgets, team sizes, and dev times that are the main barriers to AAA game dev now.
Smarter technologies to address those things are what future hardware will need, not obscene levels of more raw compute or even RAM. And other things to drive value proposition, too. I don't see Sony doing any "PC-fication" of PlayStation next gen in large part because the traditional business model is actually working for them (tho I would like to see them maybe develop certain productivity apps for PlayStation consoles or at least make PlayStation-compatible versions of stuff like Sony Vegas etc), but I'd like to see them bring other advances to gaming besides just more power.
Kind of a reason I'd like to see them continue with VR development and hopefully bring some cheap scalable MR as default to their next system. They're in the best position to do that type of thing, just like how Microsoft are ironically in the best position to shift their console model to a more hybrid console/gaming-PC model that more info seems to be strongly suggesting.
Personally, I think they're still going to go with AMD on the GPU front. But, they might use Intel's fabs to press whatever their chip design is.
ARM CPU, AMD GPU, Intel fab process (& maybe Intel co-developed ML silicon block) would be my guess for whatever's established as the next spec processing-wise. Also if they are going with a PC-like business model going forward some of that would also reflect in parts of the spec.
Like, upgradable system RAM or upgrade options for compatible low-profile GPUs depending on the hardware profile of the system itself (i.e mini-PC NUC vs. laptop), even if they share similar processing specs otherwise.
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bitbydeath
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And who will make it.
Note: She never mentions it will be coming from MS.
SirTerry-T
Member
A good game is a good game, regardless of the time it came out and the machine it came out on.
Why would any game fan not want to the opportunity to be able to keep playing games they have loved from their past?
Mortisfacio
Member
Yeah, I put in over 80 hours last year and so I'm done with the game. SteamDB shows the game peaking there at around 6k over the last 24 hours vs 28k four months ago.
I'm more amused it reached 28k peak players. Nearly every friend/co-worker that games (beyond just the new COD and sports games) that I know has bought this game or is playing it now on GamePass. I don't know a single person who owns it on Steam.
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