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That Focus S is so God damn sexy, hopefully the UK will get it too not just the new Omnia.

So much desireable WP7 hardware now with that, Omnia W, Nokia devices and the HTC Titan and Radar. As long as Microsoft promote it properly this Christmas and throughout 2012, they can't not make it a success.
 
GCX said:
I'm really eager to see what Nokia's 900 line will look like. We probably won't see it before next year but it'll be their real flagship model in high-end smartphones.

Edit: Nokia just released their Q3 results and Elop said that they're going to release WP7 products 'this year in selected markets'. We'll see what that means.
Wasn't n9xx series canned ? N950 being last one (dev phone).
 
kharma45 said:
That Focus S is so God damn sexy, hopefully the UK will get it too not just the new Omnia.

So much desireable WP7 hardware now with that, Omnia W, Nokia devices and the HTC Titan and Radar. As long as Microsoft promote it properly this Christmas and throughout 2012, they can't not make it a success.
I don't see Windows Phone taking off (strong third or better) until the full Metro transition takes place across Microsoft's platforms. This fall should help with the 360 update, but I think it gets real with Windows 8.

The unified experience across the platforms should be killer.
 
Thisismynext has put up their N9 Review: http://thisismynext.com/2011/10/20/nokia-n9-review/

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I say this without any qualification: the Nokia N9 is beautiful. Everything about this phone’s design exudes elegance and harmony. Lines flow seamlessly into one another, fit and finish is perfect, and the feel in the hand is sublime. Aside from the intentionally squared off top and bottom, there are no straight edges on the N9. It’s evocative of supercar design in the way it simply transitions from one curve to another, albeit in the pursuit of a cohesive, unified look rather than aerodynamic excellence
 
I'm surprised they're so gaga over the design. I (personally) think the Titan is a nicer looking chassis. The N9 looks like a nice looking screen sitting on top of a weird docking station, almost. I like how most smartphones--including the Titan and the iPhone--have the screen very well integrated into the overall industrial design.
 
thisismynext said:
I’ve used the N9 alongside an iPhone 4S and an HTC Radar over the last few days and would say it has the best ergonomics of the three. The aluminum-clad Radar often feels cold to the touch (because of its inherent thermal conductivity), while the iPhone’s glass surfaces and straight edges can’t match the N9′s smooth curvature and grippy texture. The N9′s Gorilla Glass screen slopes off at the sides, making it feel as if it were melted onto the phone’s body. The sensation of using it is exactly as divine as that analogy makes it sound. I would advise ignoring this smartphone’s relatively uncompetitive 12.1mm thickness — in day-to-day use, that just translates into an excellent user experience — and if you absolutely must have a spec to tout to others, the N9 is 5 grams lighter than the iPhone 4S at 135g (4.76 ounces).

Hot.
 
First they got the Nokia 800 press shots, now a possible picture of the low end Nokia Sabre.

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According to the source, Sabre features a 1.4GHz processor much like recent wave-two devices, 1GB of RAM, a 3.5-inch WVGA screen, five-megapixel camera and a price tag of around 300-350 EU (around $410-$480). It most definitely should sport the compulsory Back, Home and Search Windows Phone buttons but due to Mr. Blurrycam, the image is burned out. Together with the 800, it will likely be unveiled by Nokia at the upcoming World event, a gathering where Steve Ballmer has tipped "a bunch" of Windows Phones and Andy Lees is building up the buzz for "a wide range" of Nokia devices.
PocketNow is on a roll.

Nero3000 said:
I think the most interesting part for us is the camera.

A large f/2.2 aperture allows the N9 to show off some pretty radical depth of field in its photos. Image sensors inside smartphones — the stately N8 excepted — are notoriously tiny, so the ability to blur out the background while focusing on an object in the foreground has generally not been available to phone users. It’s arguable that it still isn’t, however the N9 moves things forward in that respect. Its 8-megapixel camera is suspiciously similar in specification to the unit used by HTC recently, which shares the same maximum aperture and also opts for a wider-than-usual 28mm (35mm equivalent) focal length. Of course, the HTC Sensation XL, Titan, and myTouch 4G Slide that feature that hardware don’t come with a Carl Zeiss sticker, and there’s also a difference in the way Nokia and HTC process images. Still, the easy similarity between all those phones is that they take pictures quickly and are capable of capturing astounding amounts of detail.

More skill is required to get the best out of the N9′s camera than the typical smartphone. It has a few areas of distinct weakness, which you’ll want to be aware of and try to avoid, though they’re certainly offset by excellent results in the right circumstances. Closeup shots are an undoubted strength for the N9, with the leaf above being a particular highlight. You can distinguish all the little strands running through it and noise is barely detectable, even at full resolution. That’s a level of quality far superior from the average smartphone performance, however the N9 dips below the average on occasions.

Most often, its struggles relate to light, either the overabundance or deficit of it. On a sunny day outdoors, the N9′s automatic settings (there’s no way to step down to a smaller aperture that I can see) can’t handle all the light coming through the lens, resulting in massively, almost artistically, blown-out highlights and, more worryingly, consistently overexposed photos. There’s a certain haze that’s apparent in quite a few of my sample photos and I did also notice the N9 getting its white balance wrong on occasion. The other side of the light coin is a lot more predictable: dim environments generate quite a bit of chromatic noise and Nokia, confident in the N9′s performance, opts not to blur it out with post-processing algorithms.

On the video front, the N9 outputs some very good 720p footage. As noted above, depth of field is a more relevant factor on the N9 than on most other phones, so it’s good to see that it features continuous autofocus and even better that it works with consistent reliability. It hunts around occasionally, but does so silently and only under low-light conditions or when tracking moving objects — areas where AF difficulties will occur even with professional cameras. Sound recording is done in stereo and the results are of a very high quality.

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Stumpokapow said:
I'm surprised they're so gaga over the design. I (personally) think the Titan is a nicer looking chassis. The N9 looks like a nice looking screen sitting on top of a weird docking station, almost. I like how most smartphones--including the Titan and the iPhone--have the screen very well integrated into the overall industrial design.
I got the impression that the N9's screen was also well integrated into the overall industrial design:
I've used the N9 alongside an iPhone 4S and an HTC Radar over the last few days and would say it has the best ergonomics of the three. The aluminum-clad Radar often feels cold to the touch (because of its inherent thermal conductivity), while the iPhone's glass surfaces and straight edges can't match the N9′s smooth curvature and grippy texture. The N9′s Gorilla Glass screen slopes off at the sides, making it feel as if it were melted onto the phone's body. The sensation of using it is exactly as divine as that analogy makes it sound.
and a couple other people with hand's-on experience said the sloped screen works really well with the swipe UI introduced with the N9.
 
Stumpokapow said:
I'm surprised they're so gaga over the design. I (personally) think the Titan is a nicer looking chassis. The N9 looks like a nice looking screen sitting on top of a weird docking station, almost. I like how most smartphones--including the Titan and the iPhone--have the screen very well integrated into the overall industrial design.
I've tested N9 in a store and imo it's really beautiful. The curved screen really integrates itself into the overal design in person.
 
Greyface said:
I got the impression that the N9's screen was also well integrated into the overall industrial design:

and a couple other people with hand's-on experience said the sloped screen works really well with the swipe UI introduced with the N9.

It just looks, like, abominable to me in all the shots I've seen. I think the design of the body actually looks pretty good--I like that kind of rounded side like in the old Apple remotes and a lot of sort of mid-tier mp3 players--but the screen just looks terrible sitting on top of it.

It might well work, I'll probably never find out. Sometimes counterintuitive or initially silly looking things work very well. I readily accept that.
 
Stumpokapow said:
It just looks, like, abominable to me in all the shots I've seen. I think the design of the body actually looks pretty good--I like that kind of rounded side like in the old Apple remotes and a lot of sort of mid-tier mp3 players--but the screen just looks terrible sitting on top of it.

It might well work, I'll probably never find out. Sometimes counterintuitive or initially silly looking things work very well. I readily accept that.
Maybe it's one of those things you'll have to see in person.
 
if the Sabre, supposedly a low end phone, has a FFC, it makes no sense that the Searay, a mid range phone, doesn't have a FFC. i guess we'll find out the truth soon enough.
 
Stumpokapow said:
It just looks, like, abominable to me in all the shots I've seen. I think the design of the body actually looks pretty good--I like that kind of rounded side like in the old Apple remotes and a lot of sort of mid-tier mp3 players--but the screen just looks terrible sitting on top of it.

It might well work, I'll probably never find out. Sometimes counterintuitive or initially silly looking things work very well. I readily accept that.
:P The body "looks pretty good" or it's "a weird docking station"; which is it? I personally agree with you on the looks—I wouldn't go so far as to call it abominable but I will say it looks weird. It definitely is very different from the wrap-around band seen on the iPhone 4/S and BB 9900, both of which are more beautiful phones to my eyes. But aesthetics are only one factor in industrial design. I marvel at the beauty of the iPhone 4/S but I do not enjoy holding it. Ergonomics and usability are also important and the reviewer assures us that the N9's industrial design bests the competitors in those areas.

p.s. here is what a silly phone looks like
 
HTC Ultimate (custom Titan) officially announced today in Brazil by VIVO (local carrier from the same group as Telefonica Spain). Available this friday 21st October, retail price is R$ 1,800 (a little more than US$ 1,000) for a pre-paid plan (this is a full price device plan, other plans should be way cheaper). Anyway not a bad price here. Expensive, but on par of hi-android and iPhone 4.
 
kharma45 said:
So much desireable WP7 hardware now with that, Omnia W, Nokia devices and the HTC Titan and Radar. As long as Microsoft promote it properly this Christmas and throughout 2012, they can't not make it a success.
a large part of its success lies with the carriers/retailers who just don't want to support windows phone. we'll see how the carriers/retailers handle the mango phone launch.
 
thirty said:
a large part of its success lies with the carriers/retailers who just don't want to support windows phone. we'll see how the carriers/retailers handle the mango phone launch.
Verizon should have a phone with the LTE software update in Q1 2012, but not earlier. I don't think a non-LTE smartphone makes sense for them at this point (unless it's an iPhone, ofc).
 
thirty said:
if the Sabre, supposedly a low end phone, has a FFC, it makes no sense that the Searay, a mid range phone, doesn't have a FFC. i guess we'll find out the truth soon enough.

Has there been one second gen device without a FFC? I don't think there has been.
 
It does look like the sabre would be a good for a "low end" device.... but we will have to see official pricing compared to the other low end competitors. That is what makes and breaks low end devices.
 
Would be nice if a phone with 1 GB of memory could "multitask" 10+ apps instead of the 5 that the 512 MB models can do. That would be quite the advantage
 
perhaps nokia has the green light to allow for more multitasking with more ram. would suck to have double the ram and the only thing on your phone that would take advantage of it is the browser allowing for more tabs.
 
thirty said:
perhaps nokia has the green light to allow for more multitasking with more ram. would suck to have double the ram and the only thing on your phone that would take advantage of it is the browser allowing for more tabs.
If they are allowed to change the kernel, sure.
 
Speaking of Nokia World:

Is someone going to do an OT?

I would love to, but limited privelages unfortuantely prevents me from doing that...
 
Greyface said:
:P The body "looks pretty good" or it's "a weird docking station"; which is it? I personally agree with you on the looks—I wouldn't go so far as to call it abominable but I will say it looks weird. It definitely is very different from the wrap-around band seen on the iPhone 4/S and BB 9900, both of which are more beautiful phones to my eyes. But aesthetics are only one factor in industrial design. I marvel at the beauty of the iPhone 4/S but I do not enjoy holding it. Ergonomics and usability are also important and the reviewer assures us that the N9's industrial design bests the competitors in those areas.

The screen as placed in the body looks like something put inside a sort of docking station, which is weird because it's a phone. The body on its own looks pretty good. I like the glass design of the iP4/S, but I actually liked the rounded back of the earlier models more for cupping/holding--so I definitely recognize that it'd be pretty easy ergonomically to improve on the iP design.


*vomits*
 
Klocker said:
gonna have to see the Titan and Focus S in person to make my decision. not sure I can make the jump to 4.7 but I'm betting I might. ;)

When I played with the Titan in a local store I didn't find it overly cumbersome, if anything it felt nicer in the hand than my HD7 was.
 
tried to do the update, got to step 8 of 10 then I got error code 80180048. After looking up that error code it has something to do with walshed phones apparently. I got this phone as a warranty replacement from att today with mango already on it.
 
Looking forward to next week. Then I can finally figure out which of these bad larries I'm gonna pick up.

Unless I'm woed with specs though (Which isn't gonna happen), I'm leaning towards one of the cheaper models to tide me over for a year or two. Last years models aren't off the table at this point.
 
zatara said:
tried to do the update, got to step 8 of 10 then I got error code 80180048. After looking up that error code it has something to do with walshed phones apparently. I got this phone as a warranty replacement from att today with mango already on it.
Happened to me though it was my silly mistake.

http://blog.walshie.me/walshed-phone-support-tool-official-fix-to-get-you-back-on-track

Get the tools from there and SELECT ALL THE LANGUAGES THAT ARE INSTALLED ON YOUR PHONE and not what you are currently using.

Should do the trick.
 
Not sure if anyone asked this question yet: but is there any chance of Microsoft releasing a iPod Touch type of device? I'd love to try out the device and platform, but I wouldn't switch a mobile phone so easily.
 
kharma45 said:
When I played with the Titan in a local store I didn't find it overly cumbersome, if anything it felt nicer in the hand than my HD7 was.


sweet that's what I'm hoping. I have a Focus now so not sure what other features I may miss going form Samsung but I think I will like having the large screen. (mini tablet) ;)

only downside I see immediately is it not fitting in my little phone cubby on my F-150 dash.
 
GG-Duo said:
Not sure if anyone asked this question yet: but is there any chance of Microsoft releasing a iPod Touch type of device? I'd love to try out the device and platform, but I wouldn't switch a mobile phone so easily.
the zune HD ... oh wait.
 
GG-Duo said:
Not sure if anyone asked this question yet: but is there any chance of Microsoft releasing a iPod Touch type of device? I'd love to try out the device and platform, but I wouldn't switch a mobile phone so easily.
Considering they killed the Zune i doubt it.
 
Also deciding between the Titan and Focus S. I think it's ultimately going to come down to the battery life. Figure the Focus S would have an advantage there, but it might have a smaller battery.
 
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