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Next month.

We have the iPhone now.

lol what is WP7?

Bye,

Sprint


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Guess I'll be holding onto this beloved Diamond a bit longer.
 
brotkasten said:
I thought it was falling apart.
Why yes it is. A small hole formed at the corner of the back cover. Stupid plastic back cover design decision.

Just discovered a piano tuner app for it last night. Used it today. Works OK.
 
claviertekky said:
Next month.

We have the iPhone now.

lol what is WP7?

Bye,

Sprint


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Guess I'll be holding onto this beloved Diamond a bit longer.

I almost bought a diamon unlocked way back then. <3
 
brotkasten said:
We don't know. The FCC got this one in March. Could've been the rumored US version of the Omnia 7 or it could be a Mango phone now (FFC pre-Mango would be useless). It's weird that they published the files now, shortly before the rumored Mango roll-out. We had some rumors and mentions about a Samsung i8350 and Omnia W.

There was a 180 day confidentiality clause
 
XiaNaphryz said:
A Mango-updated Arrive doesn't appeal to you I take it?
As much as I prefer a hardware keyboard over a touchscreen keyboard, I want a touchscreen only device for reliability.

I owned a Touch Pro 1 before owning the Touch Diamond. Within a month, the TP1 wouldn't stop spastically flipping horizontally and vertically every two seconds because it kept thinking the keyboard popped out, but it wasn't. I feel the same issue will apply for any phone using a slide-out keyboard. Those phones aren't meant to last as those mechanical triggers indicating horizontal/vertical screen position can wear out any time.

Luckily, for my TP1, it was insured by squaretrade, and I received all my money back minus the warranty purchase.
 
Steelyuhas said:
What didn't you like before that you are warming to now?

Curious, because it seems like a great device to me.
The fact that my Mozart has a problem which is just resets like a bitch. Also the fact HTC phones of late all have the same boring industrial design.

PSGames said:
4G or no sale.

The 3G chip seems better tho.
 
Totakeke said:
Man, this facebook generator video thingy for Windows Phone people hub is pretty cool.

http://www.au-windowsphone.jp/

That's pretty cool. At the point where the guy holds up two profiles over the garbage, it was my girlfriend and one of her best friends. Said best friend ended in the bin haha.

How is WP doing in Japan btw? Seems like they have MUCH better marketing.
 
kharma45 said:
Damn, wish somewhere near me was selling Omnia's off cheap as I'd have dived in no problem.

I was in a Vodafone store asking about WP7 and the guy said they didn't stock them anymore, and he told me they were rubbish. I decided to press him on why they were and he actually couldn't give me a reason as to why and just tried to bs something about the phone not working with Windows PCs.

Says it all, lots of ignorance about the platform.

You can hardly blame them though. Microsoft are doing fuck-all to support the platform in the UK. There's no advertising, no hype. My experience of dealing with the piecemeal Windows Phone customer support from Microsoft was abysmal and full of misinformation.

You can't expect vendors to do the hard work for them, not when Apple have another mega-hyped phone on the horizon and the Android phones have the budget sector catered for.

Without proper support, WP7 has no place in the market. It's ironic really. For years Microsoft struggled without a decent consumer phone platform. Now that they have one, they are screwing it over with the way they sell and support it.
 
Sorry if this was already posted but I found it interesting. W8 to run WP7 apps?

http://www.1800pocketpc.com/windows-8-will-run-windows-phone-7-apps/22539/
http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-8-successor-to-windows-7-will-run-windows-phone-7-apps-2/

Apparently NVIDIA’s CEO Jen-Hsun Huang let it slip. I think this would definitely be a boon for both WP7 and W8 (tablet at least).




Coincidentally (or not) ... check this out

http://wmpoweruser.com/phonegap-html5-development-framework-comes-to-windows-phone-7-5/

MS has helped Nitobi bring their PhoneGap HTML5 developer framework to WP7 Mango. It allows developers to use a 3rd dev alternative. So now instead of using either Silverlight or XNA, one can use HTML5, CSS and JavaScript. Interestingly ... the same languages/scripting environment thus far announced for non-desktop W8 apps.

hmmmmm ....
 
Raistlin said:
Sorry if this was already posted but I found it interesting. W8 to run WP7 apps?

http://www.1800pocketpc.com/windows-8-will-run-windows-phone-7-apps/22539/
http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-8-successor-to-windows-7-will-run-windows-phone-7-apps-2/

Apparently NVIDIA’s CEO Jen-Hsun Huang let it slip. I think this would definitely be a boon for both WP7 and W8 (tablet at least).




Coincidentally (or not) ... check this out

http://wmpoweruser.com/phonegap-html5-development-framework-comes-to-windows-phone-7-5/

MS has helped Nitobi bring their PhoneGap HTML5 developer framework to WP7 Mango. It allows developers to use a 3rd dev alternative. So now instead of using either Silverlight or XNA, one can use HTML5, CSS and JavaScript. Interestingly ... the same languages/scripting environment thus far announced for non-desktop W8 apps.

hmmmmm ....


Build is next week. If they're serious about this we should see an announcement then.
 
Raistlin said:
Sorry if this was already posted but I found it interesting. W8 to run WP7 apps?

http://www.1800pocketpc.com/windows-8-will-run-windows-phone-7-apps/22539/
http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-8-successor-to-windows-7-will-run-windows-phone-7-apps-2/

Apparently NVIDIA’s CEO Jen-Hsun Huang let it slip. I think this would definitely be a boon for both WP7 and W8 (tablet at least).
It ddoesn't help users, developers or the platform to run touch optimized phone apps on a a bigger screen touch tablet/ mouse drive desktop.

Raistlin said:
Coincidentally (or not) ... check this out

http://wmpoweruser.com/phonegap-html5-development-framework-comes-to-windows-phone-7-5/

MS has helped Nitobi bring their PhoneGap HTML5 developer framework to WP7 Mango. It allows developers to use a 3rd dev alternative. So now instead of using either Silverlight or XNA, one can use HTML5, CSS and JavaScript. Interestingly ... the same languages/scripting environment thus far announced for non-desktop W8 apps.

hmmmmm ....
Now this would be a boon.

Any word on more websites giving wp7 mango the proper webpages? I'm honestly wasn't expecting the difference between after google flipped the switch to be so dramatic. So my wishlist list:

functioning web browser?
tethering (usb, bluetooth and wifi)
homebrew/jailbreak solution
download manager (background and scheduled)
notification center.
 
Greyface said:
functioning web browser?
tethering (usb, bluetooth and wifi)
homebrew/jailbreak solution
download manager (background and scheduled)
notification center.

USB tethering is available on some phones and it works for Mango too. Don't see the use for bluetooth tethering. Wifi tethering already shown but no one knows the unlock method yet.
There's an official jailbreak method for a small fee already being setup at http://labs.chevronwp7.com/.
The way podcasts subscription work already do both background and scheduled downloads.
The way live tiles work kind of circumvent a need for a more robust notification center, I'll say probably Apollo if we do see anything here.
 
Eh, I still refuse to believe that Microsoft is abandoning Silverlight and XNA for HTML5. It doesn't make any sense and it sounds absurd.
 
Totakeke said:
USB tethering is available on some phones and it works for Mango too. Don't see the use for bluetooth tethering. Wifi tethering already shown but no one knows the unlock method yet.
usb tethering doesn't work with macs. i want bluetooth and/or wifi tethering by hook or by crook like i can get on ios, webos, android, symbian and blackberry os. Heck, even the wp 6.5 offered tethering.

Totakeke said:
There's an official jailbreak method for a small fee already being setup at http://labs.chevronwp7.com/.
yeah, microsoft already said they were going to neuter that.
Totakeke said:
The way podcasts subscription work already do both background and scheduled downloads.
add that to the browser and offer that to third party apps with an api. I should also add that I'd like a decent file management system attached to this,

Totakeke said:
The way live tiles work kind of circumvent a need for a more robust notification center, I'll say probably Apollo if we do see anything here.
i prefer the live tiles to app icons/bagdes on ios but it doesn't make up for a notification center. i can't make every app a live tlle. The toasts were better than the alerts in ios but the new ones in iOS5 have almost caught up.
 
Greyface said:
It doesn't help users, developers or the platform to run touch optimized phone apps on a a bigger screen touch tablet/ mouse drive desktop.

I believe the takeaway is not that WP apps run on W8, but that apps designed for such things, will be able to run on any device compatible with the ecosystem (W8/WP/etc). So you are not purchasing a phone app that can run on a tablet. You are purchasing an app that can then be run on a tablet or a phone or a desktop, depending on what device you have or are using at the time.

A presentation layer that molds to the device and communicates to a consistent business layer is pretty simple design. The only possible issue is that file download sizes might be increased a little in order to accommodate whatever number of display/input types a developer chooses to support.

usb tethering doesn't work with macs. i want bluetooth and/or wifi tethering by hook or by crook like i can get on ios, webos, android, symbian and blackberry os. Heck, even the wp 6.5 offered tethering.

I believe wifi tethering is already confirmed for Mango.
 
JaggedSac said:
I believe wifi tethering is already confirmed for Mango.
it's 'confirmed' for mango in the same way usb tethering is 'confirmed' for nodo i.e. available on a few handsets after hacking the code the manufacturer left in.
Totakeke said:
Oh really? I thought this was going to be supported be Microsoft, when did they change their minds?
Microsoft effectively said that they'll limit what it can do. Consider it like sideloading apps on android versus rooting an android phone. it'll be like installing the amazon marketplace i guess.
 
Totakeke said:
Oh really? I thought this was going to be supported be Microsoft, when did they change their minds?

No, he means that Chevron WP7 won't allow you to run native code on the device (i.e. registry editors, etc.) it will just let you dev and deploy your own XNA and Silverlight based applications without signing up to be a developer.

It will give you the ability to run homebrew apps in the same vein as the ones you find in the marketplace.. it won't give you access to parts of the system that normal apps don't have access to.
 
Robobandit said:
No, he means that Chevron WP7 won't allow you to run native code on the device (i.e. registry editors, etc.) it will just let you dev and deploy your own XNA and Silverlight based applications without signing up to be a developer.

It will give you the ability to run homebrew apps in the same vein as the ones you find in the marketplace.. it won't give you access to parts of the system that normal apps don't have access to.

Ah okay. Not a big deal for me I guess since that was part of what I expected when I chose this platform. I guess the low marketshare of WP doesn't encourage much hacking or homebrew either.
 
brotkasten said:
HTC users are lucky. The final Mango roms for the Trophy, 7 Pro, HD7 and Mozart leaked.


http://www.winrumors.com/htc-trophy-hd7-and-pro-windows-phone-7-5-mango-roms-leak/

Maaaan, that stuff never happens with LG phones. :( (at least I can dev unlock my phone whenever I want and for free :P)

Cheers for the heads up! I'm going to try this on my 7 Pro :*)

Edit: Actually, it wipes the phone clean first. I might hold off and hope I can upgrade from the RTM when it officially hits.
 
Greyface said:
It ddoesn't help users, developers or the platform to run touch optimized phone apps on a a bigger screen touch tablet/ mouse drive desktop.
Running phone apps on a tablet has no use? *looks at iPad and Android*

Having apps that can run on both is never a bad idea IMO. It gives the consumers a larger selection of SW and can work well for devs if the dev environment is well implemented and the framework/OS can handle things like resizing, etc.

The point is you create synergy between the two. That can create a dev boon for both platforms.

Now this would be a boon.
Yes, but I think it does tie to the former point (assuming it's true).
 
NotTarts said:
Eh, I still refuse to believe that Microsoft is abandoning Silverlight and XNA for HTML5. It doesn't make any sense and it sounds absurd.
Wait for BUILD.

I HIGHLY doubt this is the case. I expect both WP7 and W8 'lightweight' apps will be implementable using Silverlight, XNA, and HTML.
 
Totakeke said:
Ah okay. Not a big deal for me I guess since that was part of what I expected when I chose this platform. I guess the low marketshare of WP doesn't encourage much hacking or homebrew either.
Not necessarily.

WP7 was hacked - that's what the Chevron team was from. However MS offered them work on an official homebrew solution and patched the original exploit in NoDo.


Assuming that doesn't give what people are looking for, I would expect some other person/team will take a run at hacking Mango.
 
Totakeke said:
Ah okay. Not a big deal for me I guess since that was part of what I expected when I chose this platform. I guess the low marketshare of WP doesn't encourage much hacking or homebrew either.
Not.true. webOS had less marketshare than WP7 and yet has a more vibrant hacking scene and more useful homebrew apps. indeed all the items on my wishlist for WP7 were provided by the homebrew patches on webOS. That's partly why it pisses me off so much that Microsoft is dicking around the chevron team and homebrew users by extension.
 
Greyface said:
Not.true. webOS had less marketshare than WP7 and yet has a more vibrant hacking scene and more useful homebrew apps. indeed all the items on my wishlist for WP7 were provided by the homebrew patches on webOS. That's partly why it pisses me off so much that Microsoft is dicking around the chevron team and homebrew users by extension.
Not allowing native code is more if a security measure than anything else.
 
NotTarts said:
Not allowing native code is more if a security measure than anything else.
i don't give a fuck. i don't care about that kind of 'security'. Desktop Windows 7, Mac OS X, Android, webOS Symbian, etc allow native code and their 'security' is alright.
 
Greyface said:
i don't give a fuck. i don't care about that kind of 'security'. Desktop Windows 7, Mac OS X, Android, webOS Symbian, etc allow native code and their 'security' is alright.
Sorry if I touched a nerve by responding to your post, but there's really no need to be an asshole about it.
 
Greyface said:
i don't give a fuck. i don't care about that kind of 'security'. Desktop Windows 7, Mac OS X, Android, webOS Symbian, etc allow native code and their 'security' is alright.
wow, come on dude, us wp-gaf are all pretty cool guys, lets keep it that way.
 
So.. is there any way to find out your own phone number in WP7?

I just got my 5th number for this year, so I'm getting everything mixed up.. it'd just be practical to have it in the Me hub for easy access
 
Greyface said:
it's 'confirmed' for mango in the same way usb tethering is 'confirmed' for nodo i.e. available on a few handsets after hacking the code the manufacturer left in.
Microsoft effectively said that they'll limit what it can do. Consider it like sideloading apps on android versus rooting an android phone. it'll be like installing the amazon marketplace i guess.
Did you miss the photo of the new internet sharing setting that was shown for the first time in the Mango RTM build? It has nothing to do with NoDo.

ByVpA.png


That's an OS setting, probably enabled by your carrier.
 
brotkasten said:
Did you miss the photo of the new internet sharing setting that was shown for the first time in the Mango RTM build? It has nothing to do with NoDo.

ByVpA.png


That's an OS setting, probably enabled by your carrier.
probably NOT enabled by your carrier, as is more likely the case. sadly.
 
MagniHarvald said:
So.. is there any way to find out your own phone number in WP7?

I just got my 5th number for this year, so I'm getting everything mixed up.. it'd just be practical to have it in the Me hub for easy access

In the phone app.. go to call settings (use the ...) at the very top, it should say what number you're using.
 
plagiarize said:
probably NOT enabled by your carrier, as is more likely the case. sadly.

Based on the text in the photo above, this feature allow users to share their mobile data connection over WiFi with up to 5 guests. However, WPCentral reports that this feature uses quite a bit of power, so to conserve battery life, the tethering will turn off automatically after a few minutes of inactivity.

Long Zheng over at iStartedSomething.com went further and digged out some “Mango” localization files which shows how this feature might work:

The text highlighted above shows a Windows Phone dialogue text in “Mango” which gives some clues as to how this feature can be enabled. The text reads:

To enable tethering on this device dial {0}
To enable tethering on this device, go to {0}​

According to Long, this suggest tethering will not be enabled by default and instead users will have to call their operator or visit their operator’s website to have the feature enabled (provisioned) remotely. In addition, Long also mentioned that users will be able to choose between no encryption (Open) and WPA2 encryption, and the number of guests allowed is also apparently customizable, presumably by the carrier.
http://www.liveside.net/2011/08/25/windows-phone-7-5-mango-supports-wifi-internet-sharingtethering/
 
Unless you have a fully unlocked, carrier free phone, the hotspot feature will always be at the mercy of carriers.

$20 extra fucking charge:

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giga said:
Unless you have a fully unlocked, carrier free phone, the hotspot feature will always be at the mercy of carriers.

$20 extra fucking charge:

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yea its pretty bullshit.
 
plagiarize said:
that's what i was sort of getting at. the carriers are likely to make us pay extra for tethering. hopefully someone finds a way of enabling it.

Pretty sure AT&T and Verizon took some actions against "jailbroken" tethering on the iPhone and Android earlier in the year.
 
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