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Magni

Member
hankster said:
Lumia 940 no more: slim metal 950/950 XL tipped for November release with USB-C

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Lumi...elease-with-USB-C_id71765#9Tchy5Vr9p6FqWPR.99

Lumia-950-XL-rumored-specs.jpg
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November release? If they announce these at IFA and then wait two months to release them I'm going to be pissed. Nothing was learned from the 830.
 
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kharma45

Member
Microsoft Lumia 550, 750 and 850 specs leak

Lumia 550:

Qualcomm Snapdragon 210 MSMM8909 4xCortex-A7 cores @ 1GHz
Adreno 304 GPU
1GB RAM / 8GB internal storage + micro sd
GSM HSPA
5″ Screen 540×960 GG3
5MP 2592×1936, autofocus, LED flash 480p@30fps + 2MP ffc
Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, DLNA, hotspot
BT v4.0, A2DP, LE, apt-x
1905mAh battery
GPS IA-GPS GLONASS), Accelerometer, proximity

Lumia 750:

Qualcomm Snapdragon 410 MSMM8916 4xCortex-A53 cores @ 1.2GHz
Adreno 306 GPU
1GB RAM / 8GB + microSD
GSM HSPA
5″ Screen 720×1280 GG3
8MP 3264×2448, Zeiss optics, autofocus, LED flash 1080p@30fps + 5MP ffc
Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, DLNA, hotspot
BT v4.0, A2DP, LE, apt-X
2650mAh battery
GPS (A-GPS GLONASSL) Accelerometer, proximity, luminosity, led notification

Lumia 850:

Qualcomm Snapdragon 410 MSMM8916 4xCortex-A53 cores @ 1.4GHz
Adreno 306 GPU
1GB RAM /16GB + micro sd
GSM HSPA
5″ Screen 768×1280 GG3
10 MP 3520×2640, Pureview, Zeiss optics, flash + 5MP ffc
Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, DLNA, hotspot
BT A2DP, apt-x
2650mAh battery
GPS IA-GPS GLONASSL proximity, luminosity, led notification
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One size different spec.

Lumia 850 really should have the SD610 or 615.
 
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Lone_Prodigy

Member
I wouldn't mind getting a 950, but I just got a new phone. Maybe I'll pick it up next year when a successor is out.

Either that or wait for a 830 fire sale.

EDIT: on the Microsoft Store an unlocked 830 is $550 CAD. I know our dollar sucks but come on.
 
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Sky Interloper

Member
So the 850 will be the same as the 830, aka the same phone only with a better camera and design? The mid tier needs at least a SD610, especially when considering the Android competition.

At least that way it may be worth its (predictable) high price.
 
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brotkasten

Member
Zeknurn said:
The 850 might have a much nicer design though. Specs aren't everything.
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Sure, but a "much nicer design" usually does not warrant a higher model number, when the specs are the same.

But lets have some good news. The internet™ is saying that production on the MS Band was stopped and considering Kevin Turner's comments at WPC and the price reduction in the UK and US, they're clearing stock and are about to introduce the new Band, soon. Can't wait! Hopefully it's slimmer and has a curved display.
 
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hadareud

The Translator
full article

Microsoft's Cityman and Talkman flagship Lumia phones and what you need to know

By Daniel RubinoThursday, Jul 23, 2015 at 2:00 pm EDT

Over the last few weeks, rumors of Microsoft's upcoming flagship Windows Phones have been circulating the internet. Obviously many of these rumors contain half-truths or are just plain false. The referenced phones are codenamed Cityman and Talkman, and it is time to set the record straight on their specifications and features.

The first accurate reporting of Cityman and Talkman go back to May 1 when Unleash the Phones published exact information about the two devices.

Since then, I have been able to fill in the gaps and will complete most of the picture. To be clear, the information contained below is confirmed with multiple sources and I have the highest confidence in its accuracy. However, like all leaks, some of this should be treated with caution as plans can change.

Specifications

Below are the main hardware attributes of both phones with some added details.

Talkman
•Matte White or black polycarbonate body
•5.2 inch WQHD (1440x2560) OLED display
•Snapdragon 808, 64-bit Hexa core
•Iris scanner (infrared) for Windows Hello
•3GB of RAM
•32GB of internal storage with a microSD card slot
•20MP PureView rear camera
•5MP Wide-angle front facing camera
•3000 mAh removable battery
•Qi wireless charging with flip cover
•USB Type-C

Cityman
•Matte White or black polycarbonate body
•5.7 inch WQHD (1440x2560) OLED display
•Snapdragon 810, 64-bit Octa core
•Iris scanner (infrared) for Windows Hello
•3GB of RAM
•32GB of internal storage with a microSD card slot
•20MP PureView rear camera with triple LED flash
•1mm silver ring inside the circumference of the black camera pod
•Aluminum side buttons
•5MP Wide-angle front facing camera
•3300 mAh removable battery
•Qi wireless charging integrated
•USB Type-C

Naming – Lumia 940 or Lumia 950?

Although both phones go by the internal codename Talkman and Cityman these obviously won't be their marketing names. Many have referred to these devices as the Lumia 940 and Lumia 940 XL, however, Microsoft is considering jumping a model number and calling them the Lumia 950 and Lumia 950 XL.

I have been unable to confirm just yet if that this naming scheme is finalized, but considering Microsoft skipped Windows 9 to go to Windows 10, there is a precedent for such a move. It would also imply a greater break from the x40 lineup, which began a year ago.

The name change will be decided by September.


Accessories – Pen and Smart Cover

The Lumia Cityman aka Lumia 940/950 XL will optionally have a Surface Pen and smart cover. These will not be sold with the device but as extras. The Surface Pen looks exactly the same as the current silver Surface pen available for the Surface Pro 3.

The smart cover is very reminiscent of the one that came with the ASUS ZenFone 2. It has a large circular see-through area for calls and notifications to be viewed and the pen can clip to it. The case comes in black, silver/white or brown.

The photo above is a recreation of what this case and pen will look like with a Windows 10 Mobile device.


Iris scanner for Windows Hello

Both phones will have an iris scanner to unlock the devices. This hardware is part of the Windows Hello feature in Windows 10, and the experience should result in less than one second to unlock the device.

However, we have heard, and I have said before that this feature may not work when the devices are first released. Instead, both phones will need a software update that may come a month or two after release.


Continuum and 'Munchkin'

Another optional accessory is codenamed Munchkin as we revealed a few weeks ago. It is a docking station with USB and display ports that can connect to these phones via USB Type-C. This accessory will let the phone use the Continuum feature to project onto a computer display with mouse and keyboard support.

Reported price for this accessory is $99.

Interesting side trivia: Continuum for the phone was codenamed Wizard-tinman, obviously it and Munchkin are references to the Wizard of Oz.


Hands-on experience

The above render made by Windows Central for Cityman (Lumia 950 XL) is a combination of eye-witness reports, sketches, and internal Microsoft documentation.

Although I have personally seen internal documentation about both these phones, including images and specifications, I have also spoken to sources who have seen and examined Cityman aka Lumia 940/950 XL in person. Here are their thoughts:
•Very thin (7-8mm) and light
•Massive, removable battery that is the thinnest they have ever seen
•"Sexy as hell."
•Looks like a combination of the Verizon Lumia 928 and Lumia 830 (camera housing)
•Completely square handset
•The front glass covers the entire front, non-curved display
•Volume up and down keys separated by power button
•Dedicated camera button

Release Dates

We continue to believe that both phones will be presented to the public at the IFA conference in Berlin in early September. Actual sales of the phones will likely begin in the October/November time-frame. However, Talkman (the non-XL version) will likely go on sale first with the XL variant coming a few weeks later.

As I have previously revealed, both phones should contain universal GSM radios letting Microsoft directly sell these devices unlocked to consumers including in the US.

In terms of which carriers in the US will sell which phones, it is not entirely clear. We have reports suggesting AT&T will sell only Talkman aka Lumia 940/950. Verizon is reportedly one of those carrier relationships that is ending with Microsoft due to it not being beneficial (see Nadella's message).

Honjo, Saana, and Guilin – Cancelled

On June 20th, Evan Blass aka Evleaks tweeted about numerous other Lumias in the works by Microsoft. Although details were scarce, their codenames were revealed as Guilin, Honjo, Saana, and Saimaa.

The codenames are accurate and were planned devices but not soon after three out of four of those were cancelled by Microsoft, specifically Honjo, Saana, and Guilin. The cut was likely related to Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella's announcement about their restructuring and refocus on Windows Phone hardware.

Earlier today, WMPoweruser reported on alleged specifications for the Lumia 850, 750 and 550. Although I cannot verify their authenticity of those specs, these are the now cancelled Honjo, Saana, and Guilin phones.

However, this leaves the Lumia device codenamed Saimaa still planned. Although exact specifications are not yet known for this device by us, it is a Lumia 6xx successor and part of the continued budget device lineup. Release for this phone is not yet finalized although it is considered an FY16 project.


Analysis

People who have seen the Cityman/950 XL phone have had nothing but positive things to say and came away impressed. Specifically, this Lumia does not weigh much at all and is very compact considering it is packing a 5.7-inch display. In other words, this phone continues to buck the traditional Lumia stereotype of being cumbersome and bulky.

Both phones are likely to ditch 'Microsoft' lettered branding on the back and instead use a chrome Windows flag akin to the Surface 3. Microsoft will still be written on the front of the phone above the display and below the earpiece.

In terms of hardware and design, both phones are meant to show off and highlight everything in Windows 10. They do not veer too far from current Lumia designs, but they do improve upon many of the shortcomings of previous releases. For instance, the inclusion of 32 GB of internal storage and a micro SD card is something many users have asked for in the past. Likewise, with the inclusion of a Surface pen for the larger, XL version.

At the very least, both phones should temper concerns that Microsoft cannot make impressive Lumia Windows Phones. Of course, like all releases, the devil is in the user experience and that remains to be seen.

read:http://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-cityman-and-talkman-flagship-full-details
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Steelyuhas

Member
I'm in on Cityman barring some unforeseen bad news about it. I didn't expect 3GB of RAM, which is nice.

Continuum is cool, but I don't think it's 100 dollar accessory cool for me.
 
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Totakeke

Member
Uh, so the new phones will have N-Trig digitizers and support active pen? That sounds too far out to me but if that's true I'll be on board.
 
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VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Pen support makes sense, especially considering they both run the edge browser, and one of its marquee features is the ability to annotate it. Very cool if true.

Also, Windows Hello>>>>>Touch ID if it works as advertised.
 
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Funky Papa

FUNK-Y-PPA-4
I'm conflicted about these phones.

  • Black and white is kinda vanilla. What about some funky Green/Orange? I love how flashy the 830 is. Where the fuck is Cyan? Satya pls.
  • Non integrated Qi charging sucks nads. I don't purchase overpriced official covers and I have two wireless chargers that would end useless without one.
  • 3GB is a whole lot of RAM for a Windows phone. Like, whoa. I wonder if the new apps play part in that.
  • USB-C, fuck yeah.
  • REMOVABLE BATTERY FUCK YEAH.
  • Iris scanner could be a nice feature. I tried Fujitsu's tech during the MWC and it was damn good. Fast and very responsive. I take Microsoft is using the same system. I can see enterprise liking that.
  • Separate camera button on the Cityman. Goddamn. I feel blessed. I hope Talkman has it too since that's the one I'll be getting.
  • The placement of the power button looks like a. total. mess.
  • The fact that the pen no only is a separate accesory but can't be hidden within the phones makes me want to punch somebody. The case better be designed to hold it or lots of folks will lose their within the first week.
  • Munchkin is expensive :(
  • The speaker placement on the Cityman looks like ass.

I can see the 940/950 in my future, but the lack of Qi charging is a load of crap, specially since it prevents the phone from using Glance display in its full capacity if you use the flip cover.
 
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Totakeke

Member
Funky Papa said:
  • The fact that the pen no only is a separate accesory but can't be hidden within the phones makes me want to punch somebody. The case better be designed to hold it or lots of folks will lose their within the first week.
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Now having used both kinds of devices where you can slot the pen into the device and the ones where you can't, I believe the ones where you can't is far superior if you're actually going to writing stuff frequently. The pens where are small enough to slot into a modern device (cannot be too thick) are only good for infrequent scribbles because they're too small and too thin for a comfortable grip. Surface devices have got it right and gave you an actual comfortable pen for constant writing.

I'll take bigger pens any day.
 
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Funky Papa

FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Anton Sugar said:
UU7AruG.gif


MATTE WHITE

Don't fuck me on this, ATT.
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I hope you don't use blue jeans.

Totakeke said:
Now having used both kinds of devices where you can slot the pen into the device and the ones where you can't, I believe the ones where you can't is far superior if you're actually going to writing stuff frequently. The pens where are small enough to slot into a modern device (cannot be too thick) are only good for infrequent scribbles because they're too small and too thin for a comfortable grip. Surface devices have got it right and gave you an actual comfortable pen for constant writing.

I'll take bigger pens any day.
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Coming from a Surface 3, I agree. But there needs to be a way to clip it to the case or something.
 
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Poodlestrike

Banned
Funky Papa said:
I'm conflicted about these phones.

  • Black and white is kinda vanilla. What about some funky Green/Orange? I love how flashy the 830 is. Where the fuck is Cyan? Satya pls.
  • Non integrated Qi charging sucks nads. I don't purchase overpriced official covers and I have two wireless chargers that would end useless without one.
  • 3GB is a whole lot of RAM for a Windows phone. Like, whoa. I wonder if the new apps play part in that.
  • USB-C, fuck yeah.
  • REMOVABLE BATTERY FUCK YEAH.
  • Iris scanner could be a nice feature. I tried Fujitsu's tech during the MWC and it was damn good. Fast and very responsive. I take Microsoft is using the same system. I can see enterprise liking that.
  • Separate camera button on the Cityman. Goddamn. I feel blessed. I hope Talkman has it too since that's the one I'll be getting.
  • The placement of the power button looks like a. total. mess.
  • The fact that the pen no only is a separate accesory but can't be hidden within the phones makes me want to punch somebody. The case better be designed to hold it or lots of folks will lose their within the first week.
  • Munchkin is expensive :(
  • The speaker placement on the Cityman looks like ass.

I can see the 940/950 in my future, but the lack of Qi charging is a load of crap, specially since it prevents the phone from using Glance display in its full capacity if you use the flip cover.
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Definitely agreed on the color selection. Hope aftermarket backs end up cheap.

Nvm the second thing, just realized it's only integrated into the Cityman.
 
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brotkasten

Member
hadareud said:
Hold on.

Source: WMPU

There's still a good chance of this being complete and utter bollocks, then.
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Well, there it is. I didn't even bother to check the source, because I saw it at Neowin and Thurrott wrote about it as well. Both citing WMPU. What a bunch of losers.

Even better then. Aside from Qi not being integrated in the smaller device, the phones sound great. The N-Trig digitizer makes the bigger one a great companion device for a Surface.
 
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hadareud

The Translator
No, I honestly love the hump on my 1020. It makes the phone great to hold, looks different and unique and I like it that it doesn't sit flat picking up dirt and dust.
 
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Tablo

Member
OK I'm on board for Cityman, but it's written ATT will only carry the Talkman??

>_> As long as they sell the 950 XL unlocked and it works perfectly on ATT, that's okay.
 
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