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Windows Phone 8.1 |OT| Update 1
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At least they get Xbox FanFest there.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
You are right, but the iPad is still lighter and more comfortable to hold, not to mention an extremely capable tablet, whereas Surface is still utter garbage as a tablet due to the general awfulness of the Windows Store and Metro. I ADORE the Surface 3, but I own and iPad and I wouldn't replace it in a million years for anything else than another iPad or a *good* Android tablet.
From browsing to playing games, the iPad is vastly superior to the Surface if your work reduces to typing a 350 words article and sending it to your editor.
RoyalLaFlame
Banned
I'm getting tired of W8.1 on my phone but I don't want to install previews. Especially because Xbox Music is the worst music player I ever used, holy shit this is horrible.
2 months with a Windows Phone and I'm already tired of it. Windows 10 needs to come soon :/
funny, I had a MacBook pro retina and a retina air and my surface pro 2 replaced both. I saw no need to have the ipad after I got the surface. Different strokes.
I know nothing about this alleged ipad pro, but i'm sure some people will use it. But its not going to take over enterprise IT. 1 from the sheer fact that enterprise IT is slow. 2. I've been hearing BYOD for years, yet no one ever does it. Because its expensive, you need expensive virtualization tools to run apps that you don't want installed on users hardware.
Plus when you add in different hardware you're adding all these extra stuff that your IT has to now support. It just doesn't work in the long run.
LukasTaves
Member
No, the main reason would be software and a platform with less limits. For instance Cad, well, there might be no real CAD for ios, but there's already an touch enabled version. With the right tools and platform features Autodesk could add more editing features on it. Imagine if apple add adds mouse and keyboard support as well as a continuum like flag where the developer can tell what's plugged and what's not to adjust the interface.
They don't even need to go to the trouble of creating an platform that takes care of that for developers, like Ms did, just giving mouse/keyboard support and a API flag to check if they are plugged in would already put them way ahead on the software side. That's the power of the developer community apple have, with the minimal effort they will improve their apps where they can, while Ms has to go to lengths of paying developers to make a half assed windows version and them abandon.
Only way that would be possible is if they have a much more powerful ARM chip in there and more RAM. Does that stuff even run well on a SP3 that has big boy parts in it? My father in law is an architect and he has to use a pretty beefy mac desktop to do work with archicad or whatever their version is.
This makes sense, but doesn't Apple already have a product for that?
iOS is the future. This is another step to improving its utility.
frontieruk
Member
Oh com'on did I really need to add a /s to a tongue in cheek remark like that, you can't be that old that you can't remember joking the higher up you go the less you do?
Interesting, I did not think that would be the end goal.
Steelyuhas
Member
It's probably the most active platform of software development around, so it makes sense.
Excited to see Apple invent the keyboard for a tablet today though, and for The Verge to declare all other tech companies are out of business immediately!
I know you were joking.
What I'm saying is that it's even unsuited to those that don't do any work themselves.
Sinofsky will have some fun on twitter.
Sky Interloper
Member
If anything, the media hyperbole is poised to be hilarious.
LukasTaves
Member
Never used Archicad, but auto cad runs very well, even 3d projects. As does some 3d modeling programs. But I've only seem the surface handling small to mid sized projects, not sure how it would handle a big building for instance.
And an iPad pro matching the surface pro dimensions might very well get really close the the performance if apple is willing to sacrifice battery life for that.
If only Panos Panay were more active on Twitter.
brotkasten
Member
I know it looks like that sometimes, but I'm really not trying to argue with myself here.
He said that tech blogs don't write about the success that the Surface Pro 3 is and I said that I wanted to see the evidence, because to me "omg revenue!" isn't. That's all, really.
I think he already had some fun during the iOS 9 keynote, when Apple invented split view for apps and gestures from the side. I'm sure he was fuming.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
brotkasten
Member
I'm definitely going to laugh at the keyboard, because it's going to be some version of their shitty MacBook keyboard that everyone loves so much.
That "@" button though.
runningjoke
Member
Went swimming with my 925, just unpacked my new 830. Device looks and feels much nicer. Happy so far
LukasTaves
Member
LOL, Apple JUST showed AutoCAD running on iPad pro
320k wireframe objects running in 60fps
Edit, the keyboard is really dumb though.
Edit 2, There's the pen.
And there will have it.
320k wireframe objects running in 60fps
Edit, the keyboard is really dumb though.
Edit 2, There's the pen.
And there will have it.
LukasTaves
Member
The tilt tech is new I guess, something that's missing from rhea surface pen at least.
But even if it's not revolutionary, now iPad matches the bullet points of the surface pro, but with a far more ample developer support.
The new iPad is already ahead of surface pro in terms of app support, like using the pen to annotate email.
LukasTaves
Member
And now Ms themselves are showing office on iPad pro, with pen features not yet available on the win10 apps, which had pen available APIs from day 1.
If I were more of a masochist I would look through old threads and find apple fans saying the stylus was not necessary and that apple would never do it.
Microsoft shilling new features on iPad which used to be a USP for Surface is just amazing. It's like they don't want their own hardware to succeed.
But that's probably Nadella's goal with their "services first" vision.
LukasTaves
Member
Well, to be fair none of these features made any difference in the past, so in that sense jump on the ios wagon is a better bet than don't and end up losing market share.
But it's exactly how I said it, apple just announced a pen and already got more app support than Ms that has a pen for years. At this point, it's pretty clear how soon enough ios will be a very powerful force on the enterprise.
Apple-Tax is a privilege...
LukasTaves
Member
And now apple announced a new apple TV, which will bring an app store to the TV before Ms finishes the unified store on Xbox.
Again, Ms' own fault for taking so them long for doing anything. They have been talking about a unified store since before the xbone launch and just got beaten to the punch.
Again, Ms' own fault for taking so them long for doing anything. They have been talking about a unified store since before the xbone launch and just got beaten to the punch.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Poodlestrike
Banned
Coming in a few months. Whenever they drop the Win 10 update.
No idea about Mexico, sadly
LukasTaves
Member
An *open* app store, that's the key differentiator. Like any one can develop apps for it.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
SMFH
Coming in a few months. Whenever they drop the Win 10 update.
No idea about Mexico, sadly
I was just pointing that Apple beat MS again with the timing
No one will care about apps on a tv. The important things, like universal search and streaming services are already available on MS' hardware. As is voice control. Plus, it plays things other than phone games.
But yeah, the pro had nothing special announced for it. Guess a full featured AutoCAD is nice. Wonder if x86 AutoCAD has pen support.
Sky Interloper
Member
The next wave of Cortana includes Mexico, so it's a matter of time. Maybe the Windows 10 update for the One gets that.
Hahahaha
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Yeah, this thing will sell, but it will need a robust software support to displace the Surface.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Not really sure what you'd use it for, tbpf. Pen support doesn't trike me as particularly useful in parametric modeling. Maybe for annotating drawings? But you can do that just fine by exporting as a PDF.
There's Android TVs.
brotkasten
Member
At least Microsoft has the decency to include the pen with the Pro.
Oh, thought modelers used pens.
What a beautiful keyboard , though. And only 170 dollars, too.
And the pen lasts hours before you have to charge it.
Apple will literally take over the world and their developers will cradle your balls while churning out productivity app after app.