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[José Mourinho]

The only area that really stands out to me as being an issue is the new multitasking pane. There's a lot of dropped frames when using it.

Noticed this on both my parents' Airs. It's very obvious to me, they would never know however.

 

[Doffen]

For frick's sake, release these damn phones already so I can retire my 920.

You should be used to the waiting game by now.

 

[clav]

You should be used to the waiting game by now.

Doffen is now bitter.

Look at what you've done MS.

 

[Vyer]

I didn't say that Android doesn't have update issues anymore. I said that if you're running 5.1, you're fine and that it doesn't matter if you're not getting the latest updates after that. That's why the issue is overblown.

I would think if the vast majority can't even get to 5.1 yet, that's not really 'overblown'. Neither is assuming that if you have 5.1 now, you wouldn't even need to worry about updates anymore! is somehow reasonable and makes the issue go away in the future.

It's not hyperbole at all. I'm seeing this on my iPad every single day, as it lags around the interface like a piece of shit. My Nexus 5 is flying, compared to my friends iPhone 5S from the same year. The difference is also that apps on android don't require the latest OS version. Heck, most of them still work with 4.3. The latest version of Pocket Casts? Works with Android 4.1(!).

My iPad 4 doesn't. Now what?

I admit that I'm more nitpicky than others, but if stuff lags after an update that hasn't lagged before, you lost me. Scrolling can be slightly more stuttery, multi tasking gestures take a little bit longer and/or stutter, some little lag here and there when the keyboard should pop up or while typing, apps take a tad longer to open than they used to. That stuff is just not acceptable for me.

your ipad is 3 years old and 3 full OS updates on. In addition, the idea that somehow 'apple hardware' suffers this rare problem of devices that are multiple years old run a little slower with each major software update isn't reasonable. Hell, my 520 really did 'go to shit' after only owning it for six months. It took a few point changes before my Nexus 7 started acting right again after its last major update. I have a Samsung Tab right now and I think probably enough has been said about Touchwiz degradation already.

If you're trying to chalk it up to being 'nitpicky' I don't know how you use any mobile platform after the first year.

 

[Steelyuhas]

If I could trade my Band 1 up to a 2, I'd do it in a heartbeat, even if only for the smart alarm. But, of course every other facet is also a huge reason to want it. Like the not falling apart on you bit.

Yeah the smart alarms is a really cool feature, makes me want to upgrade.

 

[ty_hot]

anyone else having problems with Whatsapp on WP10? Everytime that I want to send one photo to someone I have to send it twice because it never works in the first time. Photos taken with the app, not saved in the gallery already.

 

[frontieruk]

If I could trade my Band 1 up to a 2, I'd do it in a heartbeat, even if only for the smart alarm. But, of course every other facet is also a huge reason to want it. Like the not falling apart on you bit.

How'd it fall apart??

 

[JaggedSac]

I noticed more ois wobble from the lumia, otherwise they seemed pretty comparable looking at them from my phone.

G4 doesn't have OIS so they either had very good hands or were using it on some other hardware. Or their digital stabilization is very good.

Having not seen the actual environment of the last few shots in the video, I like the white balance the Lumia decided on. Not a fan of the bluer choice.

 

[kharma45]

G4 doesn't have OIS so they either had very good hands or were using it on some other hardware. Or their digital stabilization is very good.

Having not seen the actual environment of the last few shots in the video, I like the white balance the Lumia decided on. Not a fan of the bluer choice.

G4 does have OIS

 

[VanMardigan]

G4 doesn't have OIS so they either had very good hands or were using it on some other hardware.

Uh yes it does. G4 camera is legit, ask schuey. No shame in being close to it in terms of video, that's a top tier phone camera. I'm sure the pictures are going to be better on the 950.

 

[JaggedSac]

Oh shoot, sorry, I was thinking of that new Nexus phone. 6P I think. This makes sense now, lol.

 

[kharma45]

Oh shoot, sorry, I was thinking of that new Nexus phone. 6P I think. This makes sense now, lol.

Yeah 6P doesn't have it

 

[brotkasten]

I would think if the vast majority can't even get to 5.1 yet, that's not really 'overblown'. Neither is assuming that if you have 5.1 now, you wouldn't even need to worry about updates anymore! is somehow reasonable and makes the issue go away in the future.

your ipad is 3 years old and 3 full OS updates on. In addition, the idea that somehow 'apple hardware' suffers this rare problem of devices that are multiple years old run a little slower with each major software update isn't reasonable. Hell, my 520 really did 'go to shit' after only owning it for six months. It took a few point changes before my Nexus 7 started acting right again after its last major update. I have a Samsung Tab right now and I think probably enough has been said about Touchwiz degradation already.

If you're trying to chalk it up to being 'nitpicky' I don't know how you use any mobile platform after the first year.

If you're buying a flagship Android phone, you're at the very least on 5.0, most likely on 5.1. So yeah, I still stand my point that it's not a huge issue anymore going forward.

And all I said is that I wouldn't buy an iPhone, because of the performance degradation after OS updates ("it turns to shit" as I put it nicely). It's not a fabricated statement and it's not even a debate. If it wasn't for app updates or requirements, I wouldn't have updated my iPad from iOS 6 at all. Why? Because it was working great on that OS and the newer version have zero benefits for me. I can't comment on Samsung, because I haven't owned their hardware. I didn't buy it in the past, because I thought Touchwiz was incredibly ugly. That changed since the S6 and I even considered buying it.

As for me being nitpicky, all I can say is that I'm still very happy with the performance of my Nexus 5 (a 2013 phone), which I have upgraded from 4.4.2 all the way to 6.0, without doing a factory reset. I don't know why I can't or shouldn't expect this from other devices. On the other hand, others complain about the performance on their Nexus 5 or LG G2 and G3, too. But at least I'm not claiming that it isn't there or is negligible.

That said, and to throw you a bone, I'm a very casual phone user. I posted my home screen in the Android thread. One page with eight apps on it. That's all I frequently launch and use. Zero games. So perhaps I wouldn't run into issues with an iPhone either. But after my experience with my iPad, I don't want to give Apple a chance just yet.

 

[hadareud]

Might as well come home to WP then, brot.

 

[SCHUEY F1]

Uh yes it does. G4 camera is legit, ask schuey. No shame in being close to it in terms of video, that's a top tier phone camera. I'm sure the pictures are going to be better on the 950.

Yup the G4 camera is really impressive.

 

[brotkasten]

Might as well come home to WP then, brot.

I might as well do that.

 

[juliushandle]

Join the party, we ain't leavin.

 

[hadareud]

You just know that as soon as Brot comes home they'll anounce an extra column on the start screen.

 

[brotkasten]

You just know that as soon as Brot comes home they'll anounce an extra column on the start screen.

Didn't they just balance it out with Windows 10? Two wide tiles?

 

[hadareud]

Yes. But there's always room for more.

 

[brotkasten]

Yes. But there's always room for more.

Why are you doing this to me? You know that the thought alone hurts me on a physical level.

 

[hadareud]

I am evil.

 

[brotkasten]

But you love me.

 

[VanMardigan]

#bringbackthegutter

 

[Heretic]

Join the party, we ain't leavin.

I see me in the back!

 

[Poindexter]

As soon as the 950 XL is released I'm ditching my damn Nexus 6. I've had it with this phone, brehs. Please hurry, MS.

 

[megarockexe]

Join the party, we ain't leavin.

Yup. Will be interesting to see how the next 6 months will play out. But I want the 950!

 

[Doffen]

Join the party, we ain't leavin.

 

[dLMN8R]

your ipad is 3 years old and 3 full OS updates on. In addition, the idea that somehow 'apple hardware' suffers this rare problem of devices that are multiple years old run a little slower with each major software update isn't reasonable. Hell, my 520 really did 'go to shit' after only owning it for six months. It took a few point changes before my Nexus 7 started acting right again after its last major update. I have a Samsung Tab right now and I think probably enough has been said about Touchwiz degradation already.

If you're trying to chalk it up to being 'nitpicky' I don't know how you use any mobile platform after the first year.

My dad's laptop that he got a year or two after Windows 7 came out is now running Windows 10 better than it ever ran Windows 7.

 

[Vyer]

If you're buying a flagship Android phone, you're at the very least on 5.0, most likely on 5.1. So yeah, I still stand my point that it's not a huge issue anymore going forward.

And all I said is that I wouldn't buy an iPhone, because of the performance degradation after OS updates ("it turns to shit" as I put it nicely). It's not a fabricated statement and it's not even a debate. If it wasn't for app updates or requirements, I wouldn't have updated my iPad from iOS 6 at all. Why? Because it was working great on that OS and the newer version have zero benefits for me. I can't comment on Samsung, because I haven't owned their hardware. I didn't buy it in the past, because I thought Touchwiz was incredibly ugly. That changed since the S6 and I even considered buying it.

As for me being nitpicky, all I can say is that I'm still very happy with the performance of my Nexus 5 (a 2013 phone), which I have upgraded from 4.4.2 all the way to 6.0, without doing a factory reset. I don't know why I can't or shouldn't expect this from other devices. On the other hand, others complain about the performance on their Nexus 5 or LG G2 and G3, too. But at least I'm not claiming that it isn't there or is negligible.

That said, and to throw you a bone, I'm a very casual phone user. I posted my home screen in the Android thread. One page with eight apps on it. That's all I frequently launch and use. Zero games. So perhaps I wouldn't run into issues with an iPhone either. But after my experience with my iPad, I don't want to give Apple a chance just yet.

Much like what you said about the priv, I don't see any reason to trust that any flagship non nexus android won't have the same update issues going forward from 5.1. just the fact that it is on 5.1 doesn't change that.

And you can prefer what you want, people often have different experiences with stuff like updates and battery life for sure. just saying that the idea that performance degradation after a few years of updates isn't rather universal with mobile and instead just a trait of 'apple hardware' isn't very logical or reasonable.

My dad's laptop that he got a year or two after Windows 7 came out is now running Windows 10 better than it ever ran Windows 7.

?

 

[dLMN8R]

Sorry for the vague statement. I'm simply backing up the notion that the mindset Apple has instilled in the general populace that it should be acceptable for a device to feel slower after a year or two than it was at release is really shitty, since obviously it's not necessary. It's just Apple' prerogative to get people to upgrade their devices.

I still remember this from when I had an iPhone 3G:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdk2cJpSXLg

That video doesn't exaggerate at all.

 

[antiquegamer]

Yup the G4 camera is really impressive.

I prefer your Lumia pictures on Instagram.

 

[antiquegamer]

Sorry for the vague statement. I'm simply backing up the notion that the mindset Apple has instilled in the general populace that it should be acceptable for a device to feel slower after a year or two than it was at release is really shitty, since obviously it's not necessary. It's just Apple' prerogative to get people to upgrade their devices.

I still remember this from when I had an iPhone 3G:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdk2cJpSXLg

That video doesn't exaggerate at all.

You guys used to do that with Windows, so I wouldn't be so quick to judge if I were you.

 

[DonMigs85]

Windows 10 also breathed new life into my Lenovo AMD Brazos laptop. It was much laggier on Windows 8, but that could've been due to all the factory installed bloatware.

 

[Vyer]

Sorry for the vague statement. I'm simply backing up the notion that the mindset Apple has instilled in the general populace that it should be acceptable for a device to feel slower after a year or two than it was at release is really shitty, since obviously it's not necessary. It's just Apple' prerogative to get people to upgrade their devices.

I still remember this from when I had an iPhone 3G:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdk2cJpSXLg

That video doesn't exaggerate at all.

You were talking about Windows 10 (which is indeed pretty great ). I was talking about mobile devices. and they are all interested in getting you to upgrade,

Spoiler

even if some companies fail spectacularly at that part

 

[Zeknurn]

Do you think it's worth picking up the Band 1 for 70£?

http://www.neowin.net/news/microsof...999-in-the-uk-including-free-screen-protector

 

[Nero3000]

You guys used to do that with Windows, so I wouldn't be so quick to judge if I were you.

It's been 8 years and 3 major versions of windows since one required more performance than the last. If anything the trend has been less performance required.

 

[frontieruk]

Do you think it's worth picking up the Band 1 for 70£?

http://www.neowin.net/news/microsof...999-in-the-uk-including-free-screen-protector

If you want a fitness band, don't mind it not reading differences in height (i.e. climbing stairs) you can't really go wrong.

 

[Zeknurn]

If you want a fitness band, don't mind it not reading differences in height (i.e. climbing stairs) you can't really go wrong.

I was mainly concerned by the build quality but I said screw it and ordered one anyway. I'd never spend £200 on a fitness device/watch so hopefully this one will last me until the Band 2 hits the same price.

Also Microsoft had a shot at selling me a Band 2 if they had announced a bundle with a 950XL but it's their loss.

Thanks btw.

 

[antiquegamer]

It's been 8 years and 3 major versions of windows since one required more performance than the last. If anything the trend has been less performance required.

And this only come about because of the emergence of mobile. They would have continue the practice if weren't for the disruption and decline of PC. Also man was Windows 7 that long ago.

 

[frontieruk]

I was mainly concerned by the build quality but I said screw it and ordered one anyway. I'd never spend £200 on a fitness device/watch so hopefully this one will last me until the Band 2 hits the same price.

Also Microsoft had a shot at selling me a Band 2 if they had announced a bundle with a 950XL but it's their loss.

Thanks btw.

Only issue I've had with mine is the rubberised coating peeled off one arm, but having lost early fitbits that fell off, garmins that suffered a unclasping issue which they fixed with a sheathe, losing a bit of rubber is a minor issue and isn't risking losing the whole device.

 

[captive]

The latest build on mobile is getting worse. Opening anything from notifications is just about useless, often times the app is stuck in resuming, so long that the phone screen actually locks again.


The latest "desktop" build seems nice so far. Anyone now anything about this new messaging app? on my lockscreen its saying I have over 99 messages, same icon as messages on phone, but when I open it I have nothing. Seems like its supposed to sync your SMS messages from phone to your pc? Would be so awesome to be able to sync SMS to my desktop.

 

[JaggedSac]

Yes, it is supposed to sync SMS between phone and pc. Uses Cortana to do it I believe.

 

[Paganmoon]

Yes, it is supposed to sync SMS between phone and pc. Uses Cortana to do it I believe.

So another feature locked behind something not available in most countries... god damn it Microsoft...

 

[JaggedSac]

So another feature locked behind something not available in most countries... god damn it Microsoft...

http://pureinfotech.com/2015/10/21/how-send-sms-texts-using-cortana-windows-10-pc/

Sorry

 

[dLMN8R]

You guys used to do that with Windows, so I wouldn't be so quick to judge if I were you.

The system requirements for Windows haven't increased since Windows Vista came out nearly a decade ago. Before I ever worked at Microsoft. So I have no problem judging

 

[Paganmoon]

http://pureinfotech.com/2015/10/21/how-send-sms-texts-using-cortana-windows-10-pc/

Sorry

Hey, we're used to it here in Tier 2. Wonder how this will be justified though, I've had people in this very thread say that no Cortana in Sweden is cause they don't have any localization ready. Lots of localization needed to be able to send texts from your PC, or do a simple "mark and search" through Edge.

Ok, we're used to it, but fuck I'm still pissed about it.

 

[Doffen]

So another feature locked behind something not available in most countries... god damn it Microsoft...

Based Microsoft.
It's probably for the best, it's not like any tier 2 consumers would be able to interact with Cortana in English.

 

[Steelyuhas]

I have no idea why SMS message isn't just a part of the Universal Messaging app

 

[Paganmoon]

Based Microsoft.
It's probably for the best, it's not like any tier 2 consumers would be able to interact with Cortana in English.

Yeah. We're pretty bad at English in Sweden and Norway.

You know, if I order a Galaxy S6 Edge, and turn in an old phone (any phone), I'll get a 1000 SEK discount on the Galaxy S6, and a Harmon/Kardon wireless speaker worth 3500 SEK.

But I'm still getting a 950, I just don't know when to quit...