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Cipherr

Member
Serious question: is the Verge going to ignore the iPhone bending situation other than the satirical article that made fun of the people complaining? Would they do the same if it was a Samsung, HTC, or Microsoft flagship phone?

They will definitely ignore it.

Nine people have complained to Apple about bent iPhones. This. Is. A. Non. Issue.

Wake me up if the verge ever defend a Microsoft product so rigorously.

Know what else was a non-issue? The 920 commercial that blew up when people found out the entire commercial wasn't shot on the phone. Remember that? The reflection of the van that was caught in the mirror during the commercial and the entire tech press (Verge included) ran articles about Nokias "deceptive advertising" neverminding the fact that EVERYONE simulates stuff in their smartphone commercials (screens are most common). But that being a non-issue didn't stop them then.

Verge has really gone to shit.
 

dLMN8R

Member
They will definitely ignore it.



Know what else was a non-issue? The 920 commercial that blew up when people found out the entire commercial wasn't shot on the phone. Remember that? The reflection of the van that was caught in the mirror during the commercial and the entire tech press (Verge included) ran articles about Nokias "deceptive advertising" neverminding the fact that EVERYONE simulates stuff in their smartphone commercials (screens are most common). But that being a non-issue didn't stop them then.

Verge has really gone to shit.

Note that they also didn't really acknowledge the fact that the 920's image stabilization truly is amazing, despite that misguided advertisement, and is still today top of its class for everything except perhaps the iPhone 6+ which finally has a similar feature (that The Verge praised to no end)
 

n64coder

Member
Note that they also didn't really acknowledge the fact that the 920's image stabilization truly is amazing,

I was wondering why you left out the 1020 and perhaps it didn't have OIS. Did a Bing search and came across this article that was released a few hours ago.

Nokia Conversations: CREATING A PUREVIEW WITH ZEISS: LUMIA IMAGING INNOVATION

No matter which Lumia you have, you love the camera’s harmonious balance of sensor, image processing and optics. Lumias such as the Lumia 720, Lumia 1020 and our new affordable flagship, the Lumia 830, are equipped with ZEISS Tessar lenses, whose groundbreaking four-element design was invented in 1902.

That exceptional camera is the result of a close and exclusive collaboration between Microsoft and ZEISS, a global leader in optics and optoelectronics. The partnership began in 2005 with the Nokia N90, which had a 2-megapixel camera and sported a unique swivel design.

It continued through the innovation of Optical Image Stabilization (starting with the Lumia 920), the peerless 41-megapixel Lumia 1020 and the new Lumia 830, our slimmest and lightest flagship phone to date.

It's interesting that the 830 is marketed as the affordable flagship. I wonder how much longer will these conversation blog posts will be posted on the Nokia website? I do very much enjoy reading them.
 

Nero3000

Member
I was wondering why you left out the 1020 and perhaps it didn't have OIS. Did a Bing search and came across this article that was released a few hours ago.

Nokia Conversations: CREATING A PUREVIEW WITH ZEISS: LUMIA IMAGING INNOVATION



It's interesting that the 830 is marketed as the affordable flagship. I wonder how much longer will these conversation blog posts will be posted on the Nokia website? I do very much enjoy reading them.

1020 does have OIS.

Also I would say the 930 is more of an affordable flagship, especially when it can be had for £400 (32GB), where the iPhone 16GB is £539 and some of the specs are lower for that device.

EDIT: http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/25/6845611/inside-apples-iphone-6-torture-building - this kind of access is probably why they are hesitant to call apple out on anything
 

SCHUEY F1

Unconfirmed Member
How familiar are you guys with expanses? I was checking out the 930 and it is listed at $589. I add it to the checkout out and it comes up as $561? What's up with that?
 

hitgirl

Member
Looks like I'm getting the icon as suggested. Its large, I hope I like it as much as my HTC 8x. Usually back left pocket is my phone pocket but if I put the icon and there and sit down im gonna break it.
 

Razdek

Banned
I upgraded my HTC 8X and now I can't get data on the phone to work. Phone calls are fine and I can see it's getting LTE but I can't access the internet. I put my Sim back in my Nexus 5 and it worked properly.
 

f0lken

Member
Looks like I'm getting the icon as suggested. Its large, I hope I like it as much as my HTC 8x. Usually back left pocket is my phone pocket but if I put the icon and there and sit down im gonna break it.

Its a
Nokia
Lumia, not an iPhone 6+
 

dLMN8R

Member
Is touch sensitivity screwed up on the Lumia Icon or something?

My 920 has always been perfectly responsive to touch. Long or short, quick swipes, whatever, it always gets picked up well.

When I use the Lumia Icon though, it's like I'm dragging the screen through sludge. There's no cover on it or anything, and I tried toggling the Lumia screen sensitivity options in settings, that'd didn't help.
 
I tried to break the icon like that guy broke the iPhone. It didn't break. ALS, I've dropped it about fifteen times on the ground with no breaks. Scuffs on the aluminum frame aplenty
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
Just installing a new update. Says 8.1 and talks about folders etc but I had all that before - on dev preview. So is this just a stability update?

Edit: 8.10.14176.243
 

Nero3000

Member
The latest on iVerge's iPhone bendgate defense:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk2fHMKSocw

Not sure I fully get the point of this video.

I don't think anyone believes that Apple (or any other manufacturer) releases a phone without any significant durability testing. The questions are:
- What do they deem as acceptable durability?
- Are the cases down to untested environments (excess heat from processor and body)?
- Is it just a bad batch? (my bet)

mWNsplS.jpg
The A8 is next to the sim slot, which is probably where the structural weak link is. My theory is that heat from the A* made the aluminium especially soft.

Wired 6+ Review (http://www.wired.com/2014/09/iphone-6-plus-review/):
Like a lot of people, I have a bent iPhone 6 Plus. It’s almost imperceptible, but it’s there: a slight warp right at the buttons on the side. Put the phone screen down on a table, and it wobbles. I haven’t purposefully bent it and I don’t recall sitting on it (but I probably have). So why is this one bending? I have a theory: It might have something to do with it being both very thin and very big and made of aluminum. The Samsung Galaxy Note3 is big, but it’s also 4 mm thicker than the iPhone 6 Plus and doesn’t have an aluminum back that, when bent, stays bent. You don’t hear about big Android phones bending because they are either too thick, or made out of plastic. That’s my theory, anyway.

That’s not the only physical defect. My screen is also scratched. There are three small but distinct scratches, and I’ve no idea how any of them got there. I haven’t carried my keys in my pocket with it. I haven’t done anything unusual with it. But there they are.

So after four days, I have a slightly bent, slightly scratched phone. Which means that, while this is the best hardware I’ve ever used—from the processor to the camera to the display—I’m worried about durability.

And look, for me this isn’t such a big deal, because I didn’t pay for the phone. It’s a loaner, sent over by Apple. But if I had paid $1,000 for this phone off contract—or even $300 for the smallest version with a new two year contract—I would be pretty irritated. I certainly would be in line for a replacement.

This is a luxury phone. This is the status symbol phone, the one you high-roll into a Macau casino holding. Bending, or warping, or whatever you want to call it after a few days is unacceptable.

I wonder if he was one of the 9 complaints.
 

Nero3000

Member
Anyway back on topic.

Think we will hear anything phone related (perhaps synergy with desktop) in Tuesdays Windows 9 reveal?

It's more enterprise focused so i doubt we will see anything exciting, but hopefully i'm wrong.
 
Is touch sensitivity screwed up on the Lumia Icon or something?

My 920 has always been perfectly responsive to touch. Long or short, quick swipes, whatever, it always gets picked up well.

When I use the Lumia Icon though, it's like I'm dragging the screen through sludge. There's no cover on it or anything, and I tried toggling the Lumia screen sensitivity options in settings, that'd didn't help.

Seeing as my 930 (essentially a GSM clone of Icon) feels snappy when it comes to touch response, it's probably something wedged in your phone. Get it checked.
 
Is touch sensitivity screwed up on the Lumia Icon or something?

My 920 has always been perfectly responsive to touch. Long or short, quick swipes, whatever, it always gets picked up well.

When I use the Lumia Icon though, it's like I'm dragging the screen through sludge. There's no cover on it or anything, and I tried toggling the Lumia screen sensitivity options in settings, that'd didn't help.

IPS vs AMOLED?
 

kazinova

Member
Oh man, my 1520 arrived with a working camera! I'm over the moon.

Now time to install a million updates and apps!

...wait.

Do I need to format when I add a microSD card? If that's the case I should hold off on sitting through a zillion updates.
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
Is touch sensitivity screwed up on the Lumia Icon or something?

My 920 has always been perfectly responsive to touch. Long or short, quick swipes, whatever, it always gets picked up well.

When I use the Lumia Icon though, it's like I'm dragging the screen through sludge. There's no cover on it or anything, and I tried toggling the Lumia screen sensitivity options in settings, that'd didn't help.

this has not been my experience with the Icon at all. I would get it checked out.
 

Magni

Member
From WPCentral: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nokia-Lumia...1419553894?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item23414f0866

I wanted it orange, and curious to see if I can get it cheaper next month ($399 on eBay).

The most important tidbit for me:
Nokia Lumia 830 White FACTORY UNLOCKED 16GB 10MP Camera Quad CPU New Without original box
THIS MODEL IS NOT OFFICIALLY RELEASED IN STORE until OCTOBER.
GUARANTEED WORKING 100%
Comes factory unlocked for any GSM car

October in the US?

Also, the bands:
You can only use your RM-985 device on the LTE 700 (17), 850 (5), 1700 (4), 1900 (2), 2600 (7); WCDMA 850, 900, 1900, 2100; and GSM 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz networks.

Is that T-Mo?

3G Data Capable, 4G Data Capable, Bluetooth Enabled, Near Field Communication, Global Ready, GPS, Internet Browser, Music Player, QWERTY Keyboard, Speakerphone, Touchscreen, Wi-Fi Capable, Wireless Charging, Voice-Activated Dialing

Doesn't Qi or whatever bullshit AT&T has, but I'm assuming Qi... does this mean it's coming to T-Mo next month?
 

hitgirl

Member
Should I get a wireless charger for my Icon? I like the idea of that, I sorta hate pluggin in micro USB. Wireless charging.. that's crazy. I hope it doesn't give me brain cancer.
 

Magni

Member
Should I get a wireless charger for my Icon? I like the idea of that, I sorta hate pluggin in micro USB. Wireless charging.. that's crazy. I hope it doesn't give me brain cancer.

My 820 is a brick because the micro-USB port broke and I don't want to buy a wireless charging case if I'm gonna upgrade next month, so yes, get a wireless charger.
 

Magni

Member
You and me...

Also, there's this: http://windowsphonedaily.com/2014/09/lumia-830-on-at-t-mobile-variant-spotted.html#.VCV3RkjXom0

Late last week, a number of new documents from Microsoft popped up in the FCC’s databases, almost all of them pertaining to three Lumia handsets: the RM-983, RM-984, and RM-985. All of these handsets share the same BV-L4A battery model in common, and that just so happens to be the same one included with the Lumia 830. Therefore, we know that all three of these handsets are likely different variants of Microsoft’s mid-range flagship. However, they’re not all quite the same.

The RM-983 is the most distinct because it supports AT&T LTE bands (2, 4 and 17) and it was tested with a Duracell Power Mat for wireless charging. If you recall, the AT&T Lumia 1520 was stripped of Qi in favor of Power Mat wireless charging when it was released last year. It looks like the Lumia 830 will receive the same treatment, but for those who have already invested in a few Qi accessories all hope is not lost yet. The Lumia 830 has a removable back cover, and the RM-983 was tested with a ‘Back Cover T1-2′. That means there’s a chance the AT&T Lumia 830 will ship with Power Mat pre-installed, but could be swapped with a Qi-compatible back cover if the buyer was so inclined. We honestly don’t know enough about how wireless charging works to know if that’s possible, but that’s what it looks like to us.

Meanwhile, the RM-985 could be a T-Mobile variant of the Lumia 830. It supports T-Mobile’s LTE bands (2 and 4) but unlike the RM-983 one document shows it was tested with the Qi-compatible CP-627 wireless charging flip cover. Since T-Mobile seems to favor Qi, it’s safe to assume the RM-985 will come to the un-carrier at some point. Finally, there’s the RM-984 which was a little tough to figure out where it’s going. It also touts support for Qi wireless charging, but documents suggest the handset only has LTE band 7. Our best guess is that the RM-984 is headed to one of the Canadian carriers Bell or Rogers, who use LTE bands 4 and 7.

That matches up with the RM-985 from the eBay link.
 

Magni

Member
Still debating that eBay 830 :/ I really wanted the orange model, what are the odds of it being available unlocked and unbranded from MS next month? I really don't want to have to depend on T-Mo for updates again.
 

kazinova

Member
My Nokia car charger is actually draining my 920's battery life. Car, charger, or phone issue?

Yes.

Most likely? Charger issue. No matter how reliable the build those things sit through some wild temperature swings (if you live in a temperate area) and humidity changes (unless you live in Arizona). They die pretty rapidly.
 

Milchjon

Member
Uh, dumb question:

Deleting pics on my phone won't affect the auto-uploaded copies on OneDrive in any way, right?

Almost got my phone filled up and I wanna investigate those claims of improved performance, so I'm gonna go on a deletion spree...
 
Uh, dumb question:

Deleting pics on my phone won't affect the auto-uploaded copies on OneDrive in any way, right?

Almost got my phone filled up and I wanna investigate those claims of improved performance, so I'm gonna go on a deletion spree...

Correct. Delete away.
 
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